P75 has a tendancy to overwhelm P74, in reports - I haven’t used them together, but I can sense how much stronger P75 than what I remember of P74. On balance this could be a good thing. Having used both, I am thinking that P75 might a more perfect none buffer. My feeling, the combination of the congruence and intimidation that results, allows you to not only get away with far more aggressive vibe with both sexes, but it happens on it’s own naturally. You will swagger. However that won’t stop inner negativity from getting mobilized by P83 if she is carrying it, and she will let you hear it! Too much P74 could be friend zone, but really great friends… well we only want to be friendly enough on balance, right? Lots of P75 can not only substitute none effects, but also buffer none very well.
2.5 mcg P75 seems comfortable daily. 5 mcg was full swagger mode for me, and comes off a bit over the top - soy muy macho! - equivalent level of none my be necessary just for congruence - 2x Ammo or TUTH. monesadroit suggested testing this 1:1 at higher doses - P75 makes high none possible. Now isn’t what where the fun is? In my experience women can handle way more P75 than the man who’s wearing it might be comfortable with. Ease yourself into it, like hot peppers you may need to develop a tolerance. And then there’s P75’s reported lasting mark on one’s personality even following discontinuation - confidence! Sign me up.
P96 no-nonsense fun? Who can argue with that. but I want to contrast it with P95 2.5mcg P95, which which was noted to be better in crowd settings, with P96 better for intimate situations. But we should each come to our own conclusions.
To me P83 did well at my work so far, instant clique. But it had a very dark side to it at home with the wife. It’s heaven or hell with this one. Flip a coin! Pleasure or pain, what’s she got on her mind?
Was so excited my new toys arrived yesterday that I decided to do some P75 self-effects testing, even though I wasn’t planning on leaving the house. I applied 2 sprays, but barely half a spray came out. After 10 minutes I added a propper spray, so I’d say I had something like 4,5 mcg on me.
After the first two sprays I didn’t feel much. Scent wise also very light. Didn’t smell like a cave man or anything - that’s what I expected. I must admit my nose is not the best at detecting scents, but after sometime I was barely able to smell the neroli. Nice.
After adding the second spray the effects hit me. P75 definitely has stimulant properties. It wasn’t very comfortable at first, very powerful. After 1,5 hours the effects became much smoother and much more likable. Initially it reminded me of taking XTC at some rave parties I attended last year (there is usually some amphetamine in the pills that kicks in earlier than the MDMA). I got the same effects: my jaw muscles were stiff, and my neck felt tense. For a few minutes I also felt some pressure behind my eyes. Looking in the mirror my face looked more beautiful for some reason, more relaxed. What also struck me were the nose twitches. Clearly visible when inhaling. Coudln’t control them or stop them for the first 2 hours. Funny but strange. Definitely not the normal widening of the nosethrills when inhaling. It was like my nose muscles were constantly adjusting the width of the openings (sorry I lack anatomic knowledge, don’t know how to put this in the right words).
I felt aggressive, but maybe that’s not the right word, I wasn’t about to attack someone. It was more a powerful feeling. Like I could transform into the incredible Hulk if I allowed myself to. Like a lingering force in the background. Zero negative self-talk. Super energised and focused. Feeling very strong physically (similar to A314 posture effects). I didn’t feel warm, I didn’t sweat, I just felt very much in control of what I was doing. Talked to my housemate a bit while doing the dishing, and I noticed I sounded quite commanding. Harsher and less smooth than with A314.
After 1,5 hours the effects became much smoother and more natural. Stayed awake for 2 more hours and just felt very good and confident. Took a shower and went to bed.
At work today: 2,5 mcg
Felt super energized, and I still do 7+ hours after application. This stuff is strong and long lasting. I also have a feeling that it hits people even when they are 10+ meters away from you, or maybe that’s because it’s easier to spot hits with the hyper focus effects. A girl sitting quite far away was giving me eyebrow flashes (approach invitation).
I was on the phone most of the morning and my voice sounded like a drill sergeant. Super powerful and commanding. I like it a lot. Nobody gave me shit on the phone. Seems like this is a good mone for boosting productivity.
A middle eastern girl sitting next to me seemed very intruiged by me. Sideways glances, hair play etc. After I opened her and showed it was ok to talk to me there were no intimidation effects anymore. It was the first time I talked to this girl so I don’t have a baseline. Will have to test more. She did seem to want my attention during the rest of the shift. While talking to eachother we had strong but not uncomfortable eye contact. Nice.
While leaving the office I bumped into a blonde girl I partied with sometime ago. She also seemed unusually interested in me, asking lots of questions. Normally she more distant/grumpy and minds her own business. While in the elevator, a hot mid 30s blonde woman entered and gave me a huge DIHL. She totally checked me out like women always do in a split second (down-up-down). Obvious hit.
At the supermarket nobody seemed to want my eye contact, but nothing out of the ordinary.
I remember some other forum member wrote you have to play the nice guy to pull off this putative. I can definitely see why. If you’re not nice you’ll probably intimidate the shit out of most people. Have to make sure I smile a bit more, don’t do that a lot naturally.
Last thing I noticed was that I was unusually thirsty the entire morning. Drank 4-5 cups of water in a 3 hour time span. No caffeine needed.
nice. sounds similar to my experience w/ P75 5mcg when I use it solo. I’ve been using it twice a day since I got it. Granted my dose is a bit higher. I have crashed several times in the evening after wearing it all day when the stimulant seems to leave me depleted. On the other hand I’m already sleep deprived right now, having a newborn around. How was your comedown? I was also left very thirsty, but at the same time the comedown had me pouring a stiff drink, which probably culminated in the crash. Even when the stimulant wears off, I do feel that much of the attitude persists, for example a notable lack of fear or anxiety even the next day.
I agree it does carry much of the authoritarian command of A314, but it’s more raw. Nobody gave me any shit - certainly nobody argued with me at all! I definitely seen repeated sexual interest with this one, but it requires work on my part to open the conversation. Sexual play is a bit more animalistic. My wife had noted that I was “more physical”. My wife actually told me several times, she wants me to smile less often, and smack her ass more frequently. She didn’t like it when I smiled too much! She’s actually requesting to get her ass smacked more frequently than usual. It’s moments like this I realize, sometimes women want to be degraded, and I’m not always totally comfortable with it. The approach does come more easily with this though, and seems to quiet much inner talk. While I do get the drill Sargent effect, people seem to feel quite secure in my presence, and are deferential. Weather it will be attractive or repellent seems to be situational. They feel this great force hanging over them.
I can see how a low-dose TAK or some TAC could counter-balance the stimulant qualities.
Rone has a smooth and stable nature that would round this out nicely.
I have some beta-androsteNOL on order, delivery some time next week, but I will need to dilute it.
So it looks like next round I will try combining the p75 with Beta-Nol
Nose twitches. This is the first report in years that speaks of something I’ve seen many times. TAF causes eye twitches (fasciculations). Tongue fasciculations every MD tests for with dopaminergics. You have a keen eye. Many people dismiss trivial signs (vasodilation; smooth muscle relaxation - TAC) which are not trivial. They have a physiological basis. Dopaminergics cause cranial twitching. This is doing something to specific cranio-facial motor nerves. If only we had a med student here…
I had not noticed any nose twitches with myself previously, so I did a test. Once spray around the neck P75 and monitored my nostrils in the mirror for a few minutes. There it was! My nostrils started adjusting constantly like a fluctuation, it was irregular and near constant, but I didn’t feel it.
The great thing about a visual cue like this is, we can dilute to the minimum dose at which the nerve is being activated, something that could be found by experimentation. That nerve is probably a direct link to some larger pattern of activation in the brain.
Checked again today with 2,5 mcg P75. Nose twitches were present again. Just like lwatkins I didn’t feel them, you really have to check yourself in the mirror. Checked my tongue after reading your post, and I see mild spasms there. If I conciously control the muscle, they disappear.
Interesting, TAF and eye twitches. When I wear Ammo around girls that are interested in me, I occasionally see eye twitches (combined with vasodilation - face flush). Makes me wonder. I read somehwere that TAF is in most consumer line AD products in very small doses, causing attention grabbing ‘look at me!’ effects. Making it easier to spot hits.
Other observations on P75 today:
I get a bad taste in my mouth. It’s a dry, chemical (?) taste that reminds of funky morning breath you have right after waking up. Myabe the taste is what is making me thirsty. Again I see a similarity with the E I experimented with some time ago. It causes a similar bad taste in your mounth and also makes you very thirsty.
I got annoyed easily at work by little things. I was assigned a desk with a crappy chair, the screen wasn’t adjustable and too far away from where I was sitting. I noticed it pissed me off more than usual; normally little things like this don’t get to me. I’m a very laidback go-with-the-flow person.
Also noticed some similar effects I had with P102. I worked fast and with determination, but it was hard to remain 100% focused. I had a lot of drive and power, but sometimes I missed out on the details. My mind was racing a bit.
With A314 I walk smooth and slower than I normally do. I use my shoulders more too if that makes sense. My P75 walk I feel is more mechnical man-on-a-mission style.
Some looks from girls (blonde and middle eastern) but nothing I can specifically pinpoint to P75. I added a spray of Summer Ammo after 2 hours, to see if it would calm me down a bit. It didn’t really work. P75 was overpowering Ammo SE easily.
Later this week I will test if I see a pupillary response after applying P75. Obviously I have to play with this putative more and in multiple environments, but so far I have a theory: P75 creates attraction/intimidation mainly by the effects it has on the wearer. It alters body language, your voice, and a persons drive/determination in obvious ways. By some people this will be perceived as attractive, by others as aggressive/repulsive.
This is true for me, I do see the most dramatic effects with 20mcg TAF though, it goes goes really well with P75 as it makes the girls more forward and confident, eliminates shyness on their part. If they’re interested they will show it quite blatantly with eye contact or their body language.
Self-effects: None. Maybe made me a bit more timid, but have to test more
Effects on others: didn’t see much to be honest. Maybe it was not the best testing environment. Loud music and a heavy boozing crowd. Smoke in there maybe also affected diffusion; usually my testing grounds are smoke free as it’s illegal to smoke in public places where I live. Only thing that I remember out of the oridinairy was that one female friend took extensive time to explain something to me (gossip - her opinion about other people’s romantic endeavours). I could tell she found it very important that she got the message accross. She literally said ‘I want you to understand what I’m saying’. Guess she wanted some validation. Nice eye contact too. More solo testing needed.
Told my friends I was gonna say hi to some other people and went to get some cash at the ATM. Decided to apply 3 sprays Ammo plus 20 mcg P83. Let it dry down a bit and went back to the bar. As the evening progressed I upped the dose of P83 to 60 mcg in total. Dangerous combo to wear around friends!
At 20 mcg P83 everything was still under control. At 40 mcg 2 gf’s of some of my friends became super flirty and touchy. Velcro effects were easy to spot. Ammo on steroids you say? One girl didn’t respond at all. Could tell she felt a bit unfomfortable around me. At 60 mcg it became ridiculous. One of my best buds recently got his first ever girlfriend (let’s call her U). She was easily the most influenced by the P83. Winks, kino, obvious attention seeking behaviour… Her body language (feet) was constantly pointing in my direction, and the amount of intimate eye contact was so much that I felt I needed to stop giving her attention… which only made her seek my attention more and more. She was really throwing herself at me up to a point it became a bit embarrassing. Some other girls in the group gave me a look like ‘dafuk is she doing!?’ Luckily my buddy was not around at the time.
The last 20 mcg I applied maybe 15 minutes before we got in the car together. U sat next to me. She was high energy the entire night, but in the car she got super quiet. Me and my buddies were singing and having a good time. When I asked her what was up, she told me she needed to ‘control herself’ - like she realised what she had been doing that night. In close proximity in the car the Ammo + P83 was probably still blasting her neurotransmitters.
Suffice to say I will threat P83 with a little more respect next time around friends.
Have to test it for possible synergistic effects with P96.
‘At 20 mcg P83 everything was still under control. At 40 mcg 2 gf’s of some of my friends became super flirty and touchy. Velcro effects were easy to spot. Ammo on steroids you say? One girl didn’t respond at all. Could tell she felt a bit unfomfortable around me. At 60 mcg it became ridiculous. One of my best buds recently got his first ever girlfriend (let’s call her U). She was easily the most influenced by the P83 . Winks, kino, obvious attention seeking behaviour… Her body language (feet) was constantly pointing in my direction, and the amount of intimate eye contact was so much that I felt I needed to stop giving her attention… which only made her seek my attention more and more. She was really throwing herself at me up to a point it became a bit embarrassing. Some other girls in the group gave me a look like ‘dafuk is she doing!?’ Luckily my buddy was not around at the time.’
Himeros, this is all what I’m talking about with P83! It’s like mainlining a chick with a super disinhibitor until she makes an ass of herself & the next day asks her friends: Did I REALLY do that?? OMG I’m soooo busted !
Yeah good thing your bud wasnt around for sure :o How could you ever explain to him that his gf is really a good, loyal person after seeing her behave like THAT! P83/ammo makes the wives of some of my friends get real raunchy with me in hubby’s presence, saying suggestive things to me while hub stares on in disbelief Mones are terrific for this reason, it makes women behave badly and they’ve no clue as to the WHY! LMFAO
Great journal yer very socially aware & literate in your details, I enjoy reading your exploits
Thanks man. Sometimes it’s difficult to find the right words as English is not my first language, and I don’t want to spend hours writing these reports correcting the grammar and such. Still I try to make them as detailed as possible, as I’m also writing this journal for my own documentation. Good to know you’re enjoying it so far. Saw you started your own journal, will keep an eye on it for sure.
P83 definitely has the power to make people do something they will regret later! Even I sometimes thought WTF is she doing, and I knew the mones where there. Must be super strange to observe for other people
Don’t know if you were asking me or Roy, but the 2 girls I talked about are early 20s, both blonde, and both in a relationship. The one that was affected the most is super outgoing (6,5 in looks), the other girl more on the quiet side (definitely not shy, more laidback slightly introverted, 7,5 in the looks department).
Keep in mind it could’ve also been the combined effects of P83 and P96 (and Ammo ofcourse, but usually hits with Ammo are not that blatant).
This week has been all about trying to figure out P96. Tried it solo a couple of times, and also combined with attraction and status products. Below are my findings. It’s a tough nut to crack and I still haven’t figured out it’s full potential. Not an instant hit product, very much a slow burner.
Testing locations: office mostly
I didn’t notice any strong self-effects. Lately I’ve been playing a lot with products that have stimulatant (upping) effects for me, like A314, P75 and also some -none based products while going out. So maybe it’s just harder for me to detect a more laidback product. General feeling I got from it was a low energy, down to earth and carefree feeling. Felt very natural; unlike the high energy - slightly androgynous - feeling of Instant Shine.
Solo and in mixes this product seems to make me more interesting and approachable to people around me. It creates an ‘us’ feeling - like ‘we’re in this together and we like it’. Both in men and in women by the way. It affects a group at large, but is also very effective when you’re one-on-one with someone.
It takes away the intimidation factor of A314 significantly -without removing the status and respect vibe. Effects on guys where most noticeble; like they accepted my alphaness more with P96 in the mix. Found a couple of people openly solliciting for my advice on a project. Usually I mostly get compliance with A314, or only people from higher up the ranks asking for my advice. Solo P96 I got the ‘us’ feeling. ‘Were in this together. This project sucks, but it’s gonna be alright’. With A314 in the mix I got, ‘we’re in this together and I need your advice because you seem to know it all’.
I’m inclined to say P96 makes A314 even more perfect. You can get away with anything because of the increased likability factor. Had a small feedback meeting on a project with 4 co-wokers and a supervisor. My input wasn’t the most interesting at all - I was tired and just made up something that only partially made sense - but still everyone was like ‘yes what he said!’. Other people had much better input, but still my points were referred to constantly.
25 mcg combined with 1 spray Ammo makes you this mysterious and attractive guy around younger girls. They really wanna know all about you - both the shy and the more assertive ones will sollicit for your attention. Makes the girls initiate more absolutely. Didn’t feel like it buffered the androstenone.
Everytime I interacted with girls I was very much drawn to their eyes. Didn’t see increased pupil dilation per se, but it was like I found a new appreciation for how beautiful their eyes were. No DIHL eyes, no strong P75 eye contact. Just very much easy on the eye. Good stuff for soul gazing - nobody looked away uncomfortably. Beautifying effects? People’s skin also looked more attractive. Even with one chubby hyperactive girl that usually annoys me I caught myself thinking: ‘hmm, her face is not that bad’. Looking back on it now at the end of the week, I clearly rememeber and can visualize the eye colours of the people I interacted with. Usually I’m not that perceptive.
I was also obsessed by moving hips - couldn’t stop looking - but probably that’s just me and not the mones
When IT systems failed us we had to take a mandatory break. I found myself circled by 2 of my female supervisors. Both girls are my age - just graduated. Both blonde and attractive (8,5). Both the studious and ambitious types; that are now in the phase of starting to slowly make more serious plans for the future. For some reason they started to talk about their relationships and engaged me in the conversation freely. P96 seems to put romance on girls’ minds. They were complaining a bit about how not romantic their bf’s were. When I told them a bit about my previous LTR they both seemed to enjoy me opening up to them - put me in a different light. Again I was drawn to their happy eyes. One girl has been in a relationship for over 5 years now. I’ve been there and it didn’t end well. Same girl told me she’d go wild when she’d become single again. Very out of character for the typical good girl that she is. She seemed a bit shocked by her own words as well Shift ended, and when I left she asked when I had to work again. She was all smiles and said ‘OK see you tomorrow then!’.
Lastly with 25 mcg solo in a very busy train: everybody was super grumpy as it was rush hour and all the seats were taken. On top of that it was raining outside and the national hobby here is complaining about the weather. An older women sitting opposite off me gave me a couple of unusually warm looks. She was around my grandmother’s age probably, but she still looked fit and had a vital look in her eyes. Like she was subconciously communicating ‘I refuse to be bothered by this situation, and I can see you’re very much at ease too’. Just very comfortable - more a look you usually receive when you’re cosily sitting by the fireplace.
Mix:
P75 2,5 mcg to throat
P74 ~30 mcg to left and right side of the neck
IS 2 sprays to the hair
Location: out drinking with a good friend
I intended to go with a 1:10 ratio and apply 25 mcg P74 (my sprayer is 12,5 mcg), but the sprayer didn’t cooperate. Think I got about half a spray extra, so lets say I had around 30 mcg P74 in the mix.
Had a great night. I really dig the self-effects of this combo. I don’t wear A314 in social situations, as the vibe becomes much too serious. With P75 I can have A314-like confidence, while people still react open and social towards me. P75 is not nearly as intimidating as A314 on me. Think I experienced the ‘bro-effect’ of P75 a couple of times on Friday. P74 + IS compliment P75 in a good way, making it less edgy and more social.
Hits:
Met up with one of my best male friends in a pub to have some drinks. We really have a good connection and always talk about the deeper stuff - politics, philosophy, life and relationships in general. It’s what we do - how our friendship dynamic works for the both of us. We always challenge eachother and try to win the debates we have… call it an intellectual dick measuring competition Now keep in mind my friend is working on his PhD, so this is an intelligent fella. With this mix on I found myself winning most of our debates with ease. Usually he likes disagreeing with me (even if it’s just for fun), but now he actually seemed to enjoy agreeing with me. Normally we have fundamentally different views on things, but just agree to disagree and respect eachother for it.
In the pub I took a seat next to this mid 30s guy. Seemed to be some corporate douchebag - was wearing a suit without the tie, casual Friday probably. He was alone drinking beers and playing with his phone all the time. After 5 minutes he interrupted a conversation I was having and told me I looked like a king in my chair. ‘Ok’ I thought…I was sitting in a nice chair, so I blamed the chair. As the evening progresses this guy started throwing more massive respect hits in my direction. Asked me what I did, told him I just graduated and was on the outlook for a more permanent job. He told me he had no doubt that I was gonna ‘make it’. When I asked him why he thought that, he told me ‘I just know, you have this determined look in your eyes. You’re gonna be alright’. P75 hit? He also tried to impress me with stories about his own job. Had been working abroad for years, but his employer went belly up and now he was back in the country. He also for some reason thought I probably had a rich dad - I don’t.
Decided to venue switch and ended up in this nice beer house with a lot of international people. Was immediately engaged by a mid 20s Spanish girl into a conversation she was having with an Italian dude. Me and my friend ended up socializing the entire night with the international crowd there. Everything felt very smooth and natural. Guys where being very respectful but still interested and social - much like with MX297, but maybe I like this combo better. Mx297 can be a bit too buddy-buddy and thus a bit beta. Girls where steeling glances all the time and giving me approach invitations. I capitalized on them and didn’t doubt for a second to talk to strangers. I felt confident and the center of attention the entire night.
Don’t know if it was a coincidence or not, but the entire night I talked with Latina’s (Spain, Italy, Southern America). All of them were a bit older than I am (late 20s), but still they seemed intrigued. I usually I don’t get this type of attention from older girls - I look young for my age. I had them asking for my age a lot, and they didn’t believe me when I said I was 25. They didn’t lose interest after me telling my age. Two of them asked me to join them for a smoke.
At the end of the night I mostly felt the P75 agression creep through. Everything was still manageble though. Think the IS and P74 were long gone.
Need to play with the ratios more, to see where I can steer this mix. What do you guys think? Less P74? I have a feeling it needs none for attraction, but attraction was not my goal that night. Was thinking about adding some TUTH or Ammo next time. Androstenone + P75 too much?
You can keep the same mix and add TUTH for attraction or less P74 with AMMO, I like to use 2.5-5mcg P74 with AMMO. P75 complements Androstenone, less creepy vibe as in sex-worthy.
My experiences with latinas is that they will respond to P75 very well at higher doses, but i get burned out by the higher doses and end up taking a unplanned nap. Makes me think of the prize lion that naps all day… Nobody doubts he’s the king. 5mcg is the highest i can go and even that can burn me out. It helps to be well-rested already. You may get away with higher enone wearing the p75, especially with the latinas, go ahead and try it. I never tried 74 that high, or shine.
Mix:
P75 2,5 mcg neck, front
P74 12,5 mcg forearms
Ammo 1,5 spray lower neck and back neck
IS 2 sprays to the hair
Later added 30 mcg P83
Location: classy bar
Oooooh I felt badass with this mix! Seemed to work really well on the people I hung out with as well.
P75 making it easier to get away with high none? Yeah I can see that. The P75 gives you a bit more presence. Combined with your increased confidence, alpha posture and voice deepening effects it makes the horny androstenone vibe more credible probably. Normally I wear a bit more Ammo - will have to see how 2,5 mcg P75 goes with 2-3 sprays. When I wear more than 5 mcg androstenone my sex drive is killing me. Some P75 in the mix should help me stay in control. What did you find the best P75 / androstenone ratio?
As for your Latina theory: I only applied 2,5 mcg but I got some really nice responses from two Brazilian lady friends. But then I got good responses from all the girls I talked to this night. Bro respect from all the dudes too. No shit tests, even though I was obviously acting up all night. This is a great cocky funny mix if that is your style.
Hit report:
I entered the bar Barney Stinson style. Swag in my walk and a big grin on my face. Went up to one of my homeboys who was sitting passively next to an attractive (non-latina) brunette. Got a huge DIHL from her - like she registered ‘confident attractive man in close proximity’! Immediately started bantering and got some nice interaction going. She kept on DIHLing me everytime I looked at her. She was majoring in conflict studies, so it was easy to make some innuendos hehe. With submissive body language and laughing at every joke I made the attraction was easy to spot. She also slapped my knee a couple of times when I was joking around (we were sitting on bar stools). This was after I added the 30 mcg P83 I think (I applied this pretty early, after ~45 minutes or so).
One of my Latina friends was also very playful with me tonight. She’s more the party girl type, but with some confidence issues. Think she likes a direct and aggressive vibe. Once I wore shitload of none (I think 3-4 sprays Ammo plus two 2,5 mcg TUTH top ups) to a raunchy party. Later in the train back home I was ghosted by most people, but she told me I was ‘a really cool guy’. Tonight she saw how I was working her brunette friend and she wanted some of my attention too. Eye brow flashes when she was on the other side of the group, extended gazes… nice. I was wearing a destroyed denim jeans, and she kept playing with some of the holes near my knee. Can it be any more Freudian? P83 is magic juice I tell you
The most blatant effects were on this other Brazilian girl. She’s more the cute/shy girl next door type. Light skinned brunette, perfect smile and face, and good lord her curves. What do they eat there in Brasil? They should put it on the menu here immediately… Anyway, lets not get distracted. I only met her once before and gathered she didn’t go out much as she is pretty serious with her religion (goes to bible study classes and stuff). Last time I met her I also heard from friends she had a boyfriend back home.
Was talking to this other Brazilian girl and my homeboy from my barstool. Before I know it conservative girl joins us and she’s leaning on my leg. She’s on my right - my right leg is sticking out - and she puts her left hand on the inside of my leg while leaning on me with her behind. I don’t think she realised how close her hand was to my gentleman’s equipment
She seemed loopy - all smiles. Take note this girl didn’t drink anything this night. When I talked to her a bit she was talking with this posh British accent without any reason. ‘What’s this? You’re the Queen of England now?’, I said. She was acting all funny and spaced out… Whatever was going on I was liking it. Some nice flirting ensued. P83 you bastard, was this you again? All of a sudden she seemed to realise what she was doing. Told me she was tired because she had a long day and went home.
Ended the night together with party girl and my homeboy. Reminiscing about the great time she had in my country.
All in all great night.
Non-Latina brunette girl added me on Facebook the day after and wants to party soon.
Mix:
P75 2,5 mcg neck, front
P74 12,5 mcg forearms
Ammo 1,5 spray lower neck and back neck
IS 2 sprays to the hair
Location: bar, 1-on-1 situation
You win some you lose some when it comes to mones. I had - how shall I call it - an interesting night 2 days ago. I learned a lot about mones and how they affect people and social dynamics. On an interpersonal level - results wise - the night was a complete disaster, and I have little doubt the mones played a role in that.
Three important realisations and reminders for myself:
A mix that is golden in some situations, isn’t necessarily good in another situation. Circumstances and people you interact with play a BIG role. Their mood, previous impressions of you… everything counts. Playing with mones is not some isolated experiment. With every changing parameter, results will vary a lot.
If a mix works on a girl, don’t change it!
I can now see why the putatives are not for newbies. Consumer Line products are pretty safe, but some of these putatives - when used in the wrong situations - can backfire tremendously. Won’t stop me from testing them in the future though.
Here’s the story:
At work I got a message from a certain Indian girl some people may remember from a previous post in this journal. She said she was in town for the day. ‘Cool’, I said, ‘let me know if you wanna grab a drink or something’.
Since our night last summer I’ve been receiving texts from this girl every other week. She’s always the one initiating, she basically wants my attention. Texts were always the flirty/teasy kind.
After the first texts she started spitting text game, briging up excuses why she could not meet me that day. I wasn’t in the mood for games, so I said ‘Fine, it’s cool if you don’t wanna meet. Just stop making up excuses’. She was just testing how eager I was to see her, I wasn’t biting. She called me to reassure she really wanted to see me, and that we could meet in the evening before she had to take the midnight train.
So we ended up meeting in a bar. Initially she was awestruck and pleased to see me again. Hug, smiles while looking down and playing with her hair. This girl has been pretty into me ever since I took her virginity two years ago. Attraction was clearly visible now again.
After a couple of minutes she said she felt a little insulted by my message - me assuming she didn’t want to see me. I agreed that maybe was a bit dickish of me and apologised for manhandling her. She accepted it and everything seemed to be normal. I steered the conversation in more upbeat directions and the vibe became nice and flirty with her initiating kino and such.
~45 minutes in I decided to apply 30 mcg P83 to see where it would take me. We only had 1 hour left before she had to take the train. The evening before I had awesome results after adding P83 to this exact combo, so I felt like pushing my luck.
Bought another round and went back to the table we were sitting. Still trying to comprohend what happened, but P83 unleashed this huge shitstorm it was unbelievable… It started with the beer. She told me I was being cheap for buying a normal beer, instead of something special for her. I took it as a joke, said that I liked the beer and planned to continue the upbeat conversation. But to my surprise she kept going on and on and on about the beer being cheap, and how that said something about my personality. The rest of the night she continued to be super hostile for no apparent reason. I have no doubt it really was the P83 that triggered some inner frustrations she had about me.
A little history: I had sex with this girl twice. Once I took her virginity without me knowing. The other time she cheated on her bf with me. She has it bad for me, but I never gave her any signal that I want something longterm with her. Think all frustrations stem from there… She feels weak and vulnerable around me. She probably thinks I manipulated her into doing things she never thought she’d do. I didn’t do such a thing. Read back my post from last year; I can honestly say I never did anything unethical and I didn’t push her into doing things she didn’t want to herself.
She even told me she tought I was unable of really connecting with people. That I couldn’t really show empathy… She felt like it was always a oneway street, with her exposing herself, and me not opening up to other people. What she basicaly was saying is that I was not emotionally available to her.
This is true. We have had very good deeply bonding conversations in the passed, but I never felt the need to pursue her as a girlfriend. I felt good chemistry with her, but I guess I’m just not ready for a new relationship yet. I think she felt a huge spark and wants more, but I never gave in.
I feel P75 also played a huge part in all this. I was happy I wore it, cause it gave me the confidence to deal with the situation and not start acting all beta and nervous. In fact I didn’t feel her hostility at all, it really was like some emotional parts of my brain were shut down. I also didn’t feel the need to respond with vengeful words; could’ve easily said something back. I was feeling super rational, analysing the situation, thinking about where her frustrations came from and how wrong it was of her to blame me for her sorrows.
Also: did P75 give HER the balls to actually be this hostile towards me? Is this putative that strong that it affects other people in similar ways it does affect the wearer? She really seemed cold, and unmoved while she was telling me all this… I know she usually is not like this at all, and would have a hard time speaking badly about other people.
I tried to counter the P75+P83 combo and get her to be more friendly with some extra P74 I had with me, but it didn’t work.
I dealt with the situation by telling her I understood what she was saying and that I appreciated the feedback, but that I kindly disagreed on most of it.
When I dropped her at the station we hugged and I told her it was - for the lack of a better word - ‘fun’ night (just being friendly). She said ‘yeah, but I still hate you’ with a smile on her face and left.
Two days later she’s texting me again and apologizing for the things she said…
Think P75 did some lasting damage and that I’m gonna have to delete her from my life. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not blaming the mones entirely - it was bound to happen.
Why I think P75 played a big role:
Next time - when a little more empathy is required around people I already know fairly well, I’ll be careful with P75.
In retrospect I should’ve just gone with A314. She responded well to this previously.
Couple more things I wanna add to the previous post:
After adding the P83, literaly everything I did was an insult to her. When I looked in the direction of other girls, she told me I should stop checking them out. I wasn’t checking out other girls at all; I was just observing and reacting to the things that were happening around me in - IMHO - a very normal way. Once I looked to the left over my shoulder and the girl behind the bar was looking in my direction - I caught her eye. Indian gril told me ‘Why is she looking at you that way? Do you know her?’. Looking back on it, it seems like P83 triggered some jealous reactions in her. Reminds me of some reports written recently by lwatkins in his journal. P83 made his wife feel insecure; as in she started to think he was cheating on her.
I think P75 could be the reason other people were checking me out, adding to her jealous feelings. Why? P75 always gets me noticed. When I wear it solo to the supermarket, I can see the security guy checking me out. In bars, people notice when I enter the room. This putative adds presence to every mix.
Not only do other people notice me, I also notice other people more easily. I feel like P75 puts you in this hunter-gatherer mindset; always observing what is happening around you. This makes sense, cause previously I observed it changes the way my face looks. Facial muscles seem to relax, nose starts twitching, and my eye contact with people becomes intense (too intense when I go higher than 2,5 mcg). In other words: my face starts looking like the face of a predator. P75 = killer instinct. Other people also reported that the people around them said their face looked more masculine and aggressive.
Because P75 makes such a big impact on your body language - not only your face changes but also your overall body language - other people will perceive you as aloof and uncaring. In the attraction phase this is good. Usually, to get decent rapport with people, you need to mirror body language (not only the bigger gestures, but when you’re really in the zone with someone also your breathing and talking pattern start to synchronise). With P75 on this becomes nearly impossible, unless you constantly try so steer your body language. But I feel P75 gets under your skin, and makes you alpha without even trying. Subtle body language like your facial muscles is very hard to steer conciously. This probably resulted in Indian girl perceiving me as a coldhearted bastard. The alpha body language makes decent rapport harder to achieve.
Luckily my buddy was not around at the time.
Now keep in mind my friend is working on his PhD, so this is an intelligent fella. With this mix on I found myself winning most of our debates with ease. Usually he likes disagreeing with me (even if it’s just for fun), but now he actually seemed to enjoy agreeing with me. Normally we have fundamentally different views on things, but just agree to disagree and respect eachother for it.