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Hey folks,

I’m a literature lover, a late-teens dude (yes that means I’m male) from the northeastern United States who’s been reading into the real world of neuroscience for a while, and recently stumbled on the idea of pheromones.

During my prepubescent years, I was into the nlp scene, which liberated my thinking in big ways and really helped me to write precisely when necessary. NLP also helped me understand the importance of friends, which lead me into a quest for a way to formally learn a strong set of heuristics for social interaction. I didn’t find Bandler and Grinder’s approach to social interaction practical (I can’t think that hard!) but conversational hypnosis has been working out well so far (I’ve been working with Igor Ledochowski’s Power of Conversational Hypnosis. I lingered on CD 2 about rapport for a long while, but now I’ve moved forward to CD’s 3 and 4, figuring I’ll figure out what I’m doing wrong with 2 later. And it seems like I am figuring it out. Experiential learning rocks. I need to do more of it.)

I think psychological comfort and physical and psychological trust are hugely important in any relationship big or small (because they facilitate good ideas getting shared and bad ideas getting shared and purified.) I was reading about the odd way our nasal chemosensory systems map top the brain, and I started wondering which chemical signals would have the most positive impact on those around me. I came across James V. Kohl’s book (which I haven’t actually read,) which lead me to his product, Scent of Eros. Seeing the reviews on Amazon, I realized this product might be amazing, so I started researching why, which lead me to the list of active ingredients (mostly androstenol and androstenone, right?) which lead to a deeper literary search about the effectiveness of those ingredients, which (is still going on but has also) lead me here.

I’m considering sampling Instant Shine (since feeling good is usually good) and either Instant Openness or Instand Honesty (though not both,) but some stuff on the forum has suggested that estratetraenol or (as some of the things I’ve read have suggested) A1 (which seems to make women less easily offended) may be more suitable for my purposes (open, trusting discourse – I want people to feel comfortable without being stupid). My biggest concerns are about the products’ psychological and physical safety. So four questions:

  1. Has anyone experienced a psychological/physical dependency on any of the aforementioned products?
  2. Would someone mind telling me about the side effects of each of the products?
  3. Do any of these products tend to interfere with sanity?
  4. Assuming all the above checks out (or that the benefits outweigh the risks) and keeping my goals in mind, which products should I try, and in what order should I try them?

Thanks, and I look forward to learning more, be it through this forum or (as it has been so far) through Elsevier.

See ya round! :smiley:

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Welcome to the forum.

SOE doesn’t have anone. I believe it is rone and nol.

Since you seem to be interested in rapport building, I’d suggest you try both ih and io.

  1. I haven’t run into that.
  2. anone is worst for side effects. Can cause hostility or aggression in others.
  3. Sanity all we plenty of have, mostly.
  4. ih, io, ig, ammo, then the rest of the commercial line for men.
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Thanks so much! For clarity’s sake, with (3) I’m also worried for others’ sanity.

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You are providing them with sensory input, albeit probably subconscious. It is unlikely to affect their sanity any more than your Hawaiian shirt will.

I have not noticed anyone going crazy although there have been a few instances of unusual behavior. For instance when I wear IO it is not unusual for someone to remark of themselves how much they are blabbing on.

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Welcome literaturelover!

To answer your questions:

  1. I have not noticed any dependency…in fact I’ve been stingy with mine even though I’ve had good experiences. It almost seems like a privilege to wear them sort of thing.

  2. Side effects…well first off, IS will leave you a bit tired (increasingly so which each spray added) The next morning you will be groggy…I suggest plenty of fluids, and a good nights sleep after playing with IS for a good amount in a day. 1 or 2 sprays shouldn’t be too noticeable…but when you get upwards of 3 sprays of IS, things get dreary afterwards. With IO, I personally felt a little spaced at first…and not as much so with IH. Check out my journal for details if you’re interested in knowing more about my experiences:
    Extreme Self Make-Over: Pheromone Edition

  3. Sanity is subjective :wink: I consider myself in the same mental state as before starting pheromones. While you are on them…whether it is placebo or not…you WILL feel a different mentality…but not deranged sort of thing…kind of like an alter ego (not schizo or personality disorder type of thing…just an altered sense of viewpoint) In terms of others’ sanity…thats what this forum is for…reporting how others react. But in terms of becoming insane…that isn’t going to happen with mones. I mean…maybe if you’re changing your signals all the time with new mone mixes daily in high doses…they will be confused at most…and probably disassociate with you if anything…not become insane!

  4. Start out with the socials…in any order you want really. I started with IO testing, then went on to IH testing. If you want quantity of conversation do IO first, if you want quality of conversation go IH. IS, in my opinion doesn’t need too much testing involved…and can be your first product if you’re looking for a less-effort beginning to mones. Finding your sweet spot with that product is basically just adding the most sprays you can before you feel too tired the next day. You have experience some tired mornings before you find your sweet spot of this stuff.

Good luck, hope that helped!

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As far as the concept of a Psychological Addiction/Dependency is concerned, the following summary of symptoms applies to all Psychological Addictions:

  • Craving or compulsion for object, situation or substance
  • Feeling out of control, unable to stop using the substance, or object or participating in the addictive activity
  • Patient is preoccupied with thoughts of the addictive substance, activity or object
  • Patient feels restless and irritable when not participating in addictive activity or using the substance
  • Patient will spend beyond their limits to acquire the substance or participate in the activity
  • Continued use in spite of adverse effects on life, work and family
  • Substance, object or activity becomes the major focus of a patient’s life to the exclusion of other activities
  • Patient increases time spent participating in the addictive activity or taking the substance
  • Patient becomes secretive about the activity or use of substance and hides it from family and friends
  • Feeling guilty or trying unsuccessfully to stop activity or use of substance

So many things can cause a psychological dependency for people who don’t even realize it. People just keep wanting more and more of good. I mean if I got a potion or drink that would make me the most handsome guy or the most successful person for a day, I would simply use it everyday if not twice to make sure I keep getting that. I have yet to get my pheromones (order’s on its way) but I have read threads and posts about how it made them feel better, made others feel better and even gave them a better opportunity to talk to their person of interest.

Now here we get instant coffee powder and its almost totally decaffeinated (coffee beans are hard to get and taste bad, even the one at Cafe Coffee Day or Barista). I know people who get addicted to it even though it has practically no caffeine. Its only because we have all heard coffee is addictive and somewhere inside your head it makes you feel good. You associate the flavour and smell with good times, when you have coffee with friends or at a date or simply by the window when its raining. Its just something that your brain links to ‘good’. I’m not saying that this WILL happen, but if at all then this can be possibility.

in fact read this: Mental Addiction to Pheromones

//Side Note: Like you can see on your left, I was a stoner. Now THC creates only a psychological dependency in most people. I used to smoke up and stay shit stoned 12 out of my 16 awake hours when I had my rough years. I never got addicted to it even after using for nearly 2 years before I left. I did feel the urge to use, still do but its not a craving, just a tiny urge. I am addicted to smoking though, and that is something that creates a physical dependency. It makes changes in the body like producing more adrenaline, making ur heart beat faster, relaxing your nerves and causing cancer (i’m fucked!). Pheromones do nothing like that. Their work is sending a message to the brain and the dosage is in Micrograms, just a tiny number of molecules. You dont intend on drinking or smoking pheromones, do you?? :stuck_out_tongue: //

  1. Would someone mind telling me about the side effects of each of the products?
    You could read this: Has anybody noticed any negative side effects? - #2 by RADMAN513

Only 2 out of 5 voices in my head agree that I am sane, the other 5 have been sent to the institution for observation. I hope they get better soon. :frowning:

Jokes aside, I looked up the internet quite thoroughly and went through scholarly articles and papers, there has been no reported case of pheromones causing insanity; except in dogs where they howl their head off after a bitch in heat.
Sorry just messing with you. :smiley:

  1. Assuming all the above checks out (or that the benefits outweigh the risks) and keeping my goals in mind, which products should I try, and in what order should I try them?

The benefits are many; risks, not that I can think of any (hey! that rhymes!). Maybe you’ll just keep coming back for more and you might end up stocking you cupboard with these blue bottles. I have seen some INSANE pictures (oops, did I use that word??) of people’s collections on here.

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Welcome to pherotalk Literaturelove!

With all that said what I see is someone who is going to continue to grow on this forum and you are gonna fit in so nicely here with the guys and the rest of us knowledge seekers.

Your gc was issued! :wink:

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I’m back.

So glad to see that the values I hold highest have changed so little in over a year.

A bit worried about this TAK, but the positive effects do seem like my cup of tea, reading reports. So thanks.

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Random point – last year when I made this account, I was issued a gc. I began making a purchase and never finished it. Now the gc is either expired or just no longer usable for some other reason. (Possible server-side failure to back up cart contents during a server shift/reset or failure to use server-side cart support? I’m not worried about it, you are a giving company in all respects, but just noting that it happened.)

I made my first purchase a couple of days ago because…well, a double money back guarantee along with a BBB certification and a forum like this makes me feel pretty safe.

Addendum: IH seems to do what it says, but it might be just me changing, or self effects…complicated. Need more data. Journaling right now, will post later once there’s enough data to say anything.

Holding off on TAK until I get some answers regarding its possible harmful drug nature. Someone gives me free nitrous oxide, I don’t take it or give it to my friends.

EDIT: On further reading I have decided to give Steve a good bit more trust.

Or maybe I’m just over-eager to experiment with TAK and IH…I saw something today with IH that has convinced me 100% that there are pheromones at work in the influence of these products. More when I share the journal. Need more data.