How can people possibly say mones only contribute 10%?

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I think this is ludricrous!

I went out with Summer ammo, p75, p83 2 days ago and got looks , hits, phone numbers, longer conversations, more confidence from self effects, more young girls looking at me, more women uninhibited from the effects of p83, better results from p75 with the p83. etc.

Then today two days later I go to the same mall dressed the same way at the SAME time with no mones, and NOTHING? !!

No increased confidence, no real looks from people except if I was in their way, no uninhibited effects, no more alertness .. nothing.. it was a disaster.

I was wearing expensive clothes and showered twice today.. i also worked out last night.

So explain how ZERO results to 110% results is a 10% difference in mones?

I am confused! :confused:

P.S. I was wide awake, not tired, and actively looking for IOIS etc but nothing.

No I wasn’t ghosted people did look at me at times but it was more i see you because i don’t want to walk into you than checking me out.

Explanations?

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A valid point given that the nasal senses are one of the most significant when it comes to attraction and esp. seduction!
Thinking about it, I think mones do like 20-40% for me, depending on situation and use.
The effect you experienced however I’d say is bad luck. You see, if you can’t get girls without mones it’ll still be very hard when you are wearing them. The mindset you got that mones do all the work is not healthy for you and makes you depend on them too much. What I do is every 3rd time I go daygaming I wear no mones. During Winter also I wear hardly any ever outside, so most of the time I got none. I notice how mones did more than 10%, but certainly not even half of the work.
Partially agreeing with you

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Your 20 years old.. when I was 20 I didn’t know what mones were and got results. I’m double your age and producing far less testosterone. So I’m basically invisible without mones.

It’s wrong to assume as an older man I can go out like a 20 year old and just pick up. I wear expensive clothes, drive a new car, work out, but due to health issues that have arisen with age, medications etc, i find i can’t succeed without mones.. Add to that sex.. If I have ejaculation more than once a week I feel withdrawn, weak, fragile, poor mood, self deprecative thoughts etc… if I ejaculate 1 x week i feel good but then by the end of the week very angry and aggressive and hard for people to get along with me…

I’m wondering if ejaculating twice this week has destroyed my natural mones? Perhaps my neurotransmitters are not getting a break as I takes meds for anxiety depress (bipolar). So its not just a testosterone issue but a mood issue?

I always feel more alive/alert but then again very angry after 1 week of abstinence, needing to culminate in a release.

Several studies have been done on men showing masturbating every 7 days ensure optimal testosterone and dopamine production.. its only this week I feel bad.. I am going back to ejaculating 1x week and see what happens. They say in the 6th and 7th day of abstinence testosterone skyrockets 100% or more for those 2 days before going to baseline.

Sorry for the details.. kinda explicit…

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I have to agree, this stuff really works. I mean I get looks, but almost never with younger women. How is it that it works at such a distance?

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I dunno, if I tell people 10% its so they remember to still do stuff themselves lol

and so they think its more themselves avoiding that occurence e.g. where a hot girl might excessively lose her confidence if she isnt wearing her designer clothing and done her hair and makeup

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I personally understand, but this is coming from someone who doesn’t lack any confidence. I notice a lot extra and I am amazed by what I see. Excited to get the A314 to see what that does.

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Yes I agree, pheromones r freakin amazing ;- )

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Pheramones are the 10%. Why?

Normal guys get IOI’s. Normal guys get women into them. Women can be attracted and not show signals. Guys can be feeling great and not open women or people for that matter.

When guys wear mones they can feel better and get signals but need to pull the trigger. Mones, like working out in many ways, forces your game to get better because the situations slap you in the face.

You can give a guy a pheramone and he may not pull the trigger and get the “I got mad smiles, bro” syndrome most guys get.

Pheramones are powerful. It helps people see you in the best light, and you can direct that focus as you wish. But you are the person congruent with that and who takes action.

I wear mones and do great, and I dont wear mones and do great. The difference is the pain period. When using mones for status, women or success, you can get all those things without them. You can not achieve these things with mones. The vast difference is what work you must put into the situation.

The best example I have is going out to meet women. Without mones I need to chat for a couple hours and approach several groups to be ‘on’. Getting rejected because your body language is off, you are sheepish, your tone is off, you say something too off colored by guys and gals takes a toll on you. It is hard, it sucks, it takes courage.

After you hit the point of not caring what happens and you have fun, you get results. Mones are a short cut. A proper blend allows you to avoid the pain very successful people go through to be great. I personally think it is not fair. Some people work all their lives to be able to have the instant results we achieve. Pheramones open the door for you. Walking through is on you, entirely.

You will notice a trend in journals. Some people get people being nicer, or showing interest, etc. But, a good majority just see the signals and say, “Oh, that was cool, this nice girl twirled her hair around me.” But other guys, specifically people like Still18, go out and push the envelope. They get blown out. They get rejected, they face the pain and the lumps. And they get great success because of this.

I can’t say pheramones are a magic pill. I have had mones adversely effect multiple situations. In specific, the wrong vibe for the wrong girl means I must work twice as hard to get a number or get to know her. Too much none and young girls stray away. A314 in three drops at work and a cutie with a nice booty walks in and I am forced to get out my head, take action, get social, and get her into me where A314 normally shuts down young party type girls.

I do not think in any shape or form (If you cant tell from this diatribe) that mones can be more than 10%. I think of it as having stunning looks, or being vastly rich. It helps immensely, but it is how you use them. Give your selves more credit. Give yourself ALL the credit. You guys do well because of who you are. You are the attractive, outgoing, great people that use mones as permission to shine. They are not why you are special.

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This reminds me of this guy bragging about some… wait for it, mad smile closes lol

I like the way you put your post.

I find pheromones to be a good social lubricant, its like lube for everything I do, everything I do works so much better. Currently I dont wanna do any work at all, and I like how with -pheromones its pretty much thrown in my face

Btw for anyone reading this, for various psychological reasons its much better for confidence to come from within, rather than from what you’re wearing btw

i.e. its quite good to yes wear nice clothes you might even feel like a million bucks, but also when you’re dressed like shit to still have the same unstoppable confidence

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Pheromones are more than 10%.. If you choose the right ones and the right combos. For example if I choose IS AMMO I get nothing but a bingo party vibe.

if I choose Summer ammo, p75, p83 i get TREMENDOUS self effects from the p75 which brings out the real ME, and also the p83 and summer ammo brings out the effects in others.. the p83 uninhibits ME as well verbally. Add a good cologne like acqua di gio which has huge range and we’re talking IOIS from 10+ feet away!

Another good combo that has never failed me is IS AMMO p75 IO IH.. That’s more for communications and attraction instead of disinhibiting women. It helps if your in a position to talk for long periods of time like a date.

I say with the combos above we’re talking 20-40% improvement in results.. yes that huge a difference.

It also is target dependent.. if all you do is attract shy girls you have to do 90% of the work which is lame.. But if you attract confident women who are turned on by you and you initiate you may only have to do 70% of the work.

Tonight I am going out again with summer ammo, p75, p83 and will monitor the results.

If I pull the same results twice I know the secret is in the sauce.

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Yeah man if the same thing keeps happening with mones vs without moans, repeatedly, all the time, then we’ve got some good evidence there!

but only twice?

well, twice is good

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Many times with other mones like a314 etc but only twice with p83 p75 summer ammo.. I have never used p83 before because it always backfired on me or gave me rashes.. I am only using this combo 2x week now.

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Interesting to see your results

I might have to try this P7x sometime everyone is talking abotu

Also if you say 10% then you’ll be underpromising and they’ll find the product over delivers

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I think that could be due to the natural pheromone production of the body, as it’s not always constant due to fluctuating hormone levels, as the products can only enhance that. Not masturbating, eating foods that support/enhance the workings of the neurotransmitters, and showering before each application I found works best to achieve consistent results with pheromones.

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I pray to god I was NEVER that mad smile guy, oh wait, I was. But at the very least I was being sarcastic.

I know REAL GUYS who are like that. They could have gotten laid, but dont have courage.

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Yeah courage is really important

I’ve also had some really good things happen when I’ve done courage

I’ve read long Field Reports where the guy is harping on about his “smile closes” lol

Even with my anxiety I note a number of times when I’ve had the anxiety, pushed through and done it anyway with courage, and some of the women even gave me a nice emotional reward for doing so!

Courage is great, abit tiring for me to HAVE to do it all the time with my clinical level trait anxiety though. But for the normal “sometimes” situational anxiety courage is really important. Courageous men are good, its a quality which is really good in a man

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10% is just a ball park figure. The point being made is mones without you and other people are useless for attraction

They are like talking in a forest full of trees. No one is going to hear you but you and the gods.

Pheromones are just one part of communication. The stronger you become in all parts of communication the stronger the whole but no one part can ever be the whole. The level of improvement depends on where you start from. You may see higher numbers because you are admittingly are starting from a place of anxiety and lack of communication where as I may only see 10% because I am not as anxious and communicate often.

The percentage is going to be different for each of us but mones can never make up the whole of it.

Tisha

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I think people often forget the self effects of mones, some are very powerful and in a good way. Not everyone gets self effects for those you do i think they can be very helpful for bringing out different parts of your personality, i can often feel the vibe i’m giving out. There is this almost meditative state where this connection can steer things in different directions, mones then has a greater effect on self and others. If wearing them in the mindset looking for IOI then it may only contribute 10%, yes they do attract attention but you also have to contribute. Not sure but the more aggressive a dose/mix, the more congruent you have to be with the signature, sometimes less is more and finding the right doses/mixes, matching current mood, mindset, energy and personality is important. Everyone is different.

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After running bootcamps for a while you will find guys brag about ‘Smile Closes’. Doing a debrief with a kid and him telling me “I did great tonight, right? I mean all these girls smiled at me!” I have so little heart I burst the bubble and share the fact they were nice to him or he SHOULD have closed.

It is a running joke among some old MM/Lovesystems instructors about smile closes. Goodness, it is AWFUL!

Anyways, your anxiety would have prevented you from getting good at game if you did not get out and use courage to do so. That is my point.

This is not a jab at anyone, but when I read reports or posts on here about how a blend was off and did not work for them and the blame is shifted to the mix it confuses me. I do well without mones. I went out tonight, mone application this morning and got a student to number close a three set, one guy (AMOG) and two gals, one 7 and one 6. Or as I say two ‘On’ gals. And this is not the PUA ego scale, they were better than average looking girls who we closed.

The kid had ZERO confidence, suffers from some slight mental disabilities and cant control his anxiety to the point he had to vomit twice when day gaming earlier. He is also about 50 pounds over weight. But, I eased him into sets to work on his kinks then at about 10pm I opened the set, he merged in, I left and he closed.

You cannot tell me that mones control you this much. I get ghosted from tome to time from mones, that means I must PLOW and run better game, be more social, more friendly. I dont care if I look like a HORNDOG at work, I still have a job to do and I do it.

Take some credit. You influence the pheramones more than they influence you. I do not discredit the efficacy, but have confidence in the fact you are the person acting.

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I agree with you here.. If all you do is spray on mones and walk in a mall and look for IOI’s you get 10% improvement..

But if you use mones that are known for self effects on YOU and your prone to self effects (my personality might change by 50% due to self effects alone) then mones may contribute 70-80% difference..

I mean I have a brand new car, make a good income, own my own place, wear designer clothing, am in decent shape, but if I don’t wear mones which are known for self effects nothing happens..

Due to anxiety and past depression and also not knowing what to say when opening strangers nothing happens.. But if I wear mones that give me good self effects like p75, and mones that disinhibit ME and others like p83, and mones that attract like ammo, God almighty its like every 2nd woman in the mall (and there are like 2000) is looking at me. How do you explain a day where 10 women look at me out of 2000 and a day where 1000 women look at me? I was wearing identical clothing.. The only thing different was the self effects of p75, p83 , and summer ammo. I don’t always get the same results from this combo and sometimes p83 causes me to feel withdrawn and low self esteem (enhancing negative thoughts). Its a risky putative to try.

I’m an extremist due to the nature of bipolar.. I can be feeling rather low or rather hi.. Because of this when I’m on a high I am maybe 10x more at an advantage than a healthy man because my mind thinks gradiose thoughts about me (Ever see the movie Don Huan Demarco where they didn’t know he was a sick person or convinced of being the worlds greatest lover.. and in either case he acted on it?) I don’t rationalize this it just thinks it. On days or after a rejection when I’m feeling low, my mind thinks depressive thoughts 10x greater than any normal man making me at a huge disadvantage.

Whenever I get attached to a woman is when I get depressed as sad emotions invade my brain. Something like p75 keeps you emotionally detached.

Just the other day I was sitting beside a woman in a mall and I was wearing p75 and 3 min after sitting beside her she starts banging her heels on the ground to the music in the store … I knew it was p83 (even if its wasn’t I was convinced since I was wearing p75 which gave me self effects of being a winner), and i approached her.. At first she was shocked who is this guy approaching her cold in a mall, and she was a 10/10 but problem is I didn’t know what to say soI just made small talk. Looking back I could of asked her if she worked in the mall…

I’m still more comfortable around women I get to know slowly, but I feel the problem with this is they may think of me as just a friend if they know me for too long and nothing happens. The longer i go without approaching them sexually the more my anxiety builds as to whether or not they like me or are losing interest in me.

Also congruency is huge.. When I wear tuth I SEE womans thoughts about me changing.. they act more coy, they smile more, they turn heads, and I too feel more masculine.

Anyone who says mones contribute 10% is ALREADY alpha.

I agree with Tisha here it depends on where your starting out from.. I’ve been in a long standing relatioship for years and now that’s coming to an end.. I’m slowly getting back into dating.. So I’m starting from a place far different than someone picking up women for ONS in clubs on a regular basis.. Quite extremely different.