So since christmas myself and my workmate have got close outside of work we had laughs private jokes flirting even times i’ve been there for her when shes needed someone and the other night she said bye see you later you may get lucky and winked but i’ve seen her once after it and we still havent reached a physical level any suggestions on what pheros to use that will get us on a physical level when we’re sitting together i can feel electricity if that makes sense .
I was exactly in the same position as you a while back, really liked this girl I sat next to at work.
I found a few things helped, it really depends on the setting and how comfortable she already is with you. I wouldn’t go overboard and use loads if you’ve not used any mones around her yet.
I’d suggest something simple and light like ammo and IS? Some of the socials would help build comfort like IH which I love. Again, it depends if she’s already comfortable with you, a few socials always help as long as you’ve got enough sexual steering IMO.
I’ve used quite a few combos and found that one to get consistent results. I found SE Ammo and P83 worked wonders and helped that little bit extra.
Good luck!
Hi there
I may try that see if i get any results we have had little comments about kissing but nothing has happened yet i’ll try ammo and instant shine
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Well seems to me your both attracted and she giving some signals. Have you made a move yet ?
There is no pheromone that will make her make the move for you or make her make the move first if its against here nature to do so.
While times have changed and women are more forward they still tend to wait for men to lead. She may be waiting for you to make your move. I know its scary but its just the natural order of things.
Now there are mones that can make her more open to you makeing a move. For instance TUTH to arouse her. If your at work buffer it well though with some Ishine or IH. Still gotta make that move though.
Tisha
Tisha i do agree with you i just can’t seem to find the right moment to do it but i need to make the move every time i go to see her n we chat n then i figure out how im gonna do it .
Just Try and kiss her when your looking into your her eyes and the moment feels right? Not that hard bud Assuming you have kissed a girl, you know what I am talking about. Most of the time she will go along with it and become more attracted to you, granted you have escalated and lead her, grabbed her by the hand etc.
I gotta say this reminds me of my recent experience Quick Report: P83. IS. TUTH. IG after not having gone out for ages where it seemed like I shoulda made my move, gone in for the kill, pulled the trigger so to speak, and there would’ve been at least a makeout
Alas my excessive anxiety somewhat jarred any responses to her clear signals that it would be good for me to make a move
I still feel like somehow finding a solution to my anxiety issues will result in a 200-400% improvement to my game as those rare times when I am able to be 100% anxiety free I have pulled off some amazing stuff
For the OP, in my experience women like your move to be confident and intentional, not awkward or tentative or hesitant
Many years ago when I wore mones consistenly I found it made things go smooth as butter when I made a move, I would make a move and she would accept it and like it!
Often she would give me a signal first (subtle subcommunication) and I would make a move and I would be in tune with her and everything would go well
The pheros acted like a very very good lubricant for me making a move, and even made women WANT me to make a move
In terms of what pheros I could suggest for you to use, I would suggest ones that are appropriate given the social context and the dynamic of your relationship with her
That said I have found IS + P83 + a sexual -mone like TUTH or even just Ammo (which has -none in it) to be good for making a sexual move, don’t forget the sexual -mone
Sometimes you just know when to make a move
A piece of PUA advice I once heard was that if you get this feeling like “I think I should make a move now” and you’re thinking to yourself “Should I make a move, or shouldn’t I make a move” then the answer is Yes you should make a move, and don’t hesitate just do it
Agrees with Tisha - sounds like you have some interest, from a girl who wants you to “take over control” or will otherwise own your attention in the dreaded “friend zone” forever, lol.
MX297 seems to have different results for different people, but I have found it to be a great addition to my use of A314 and Instant Shine. It’s not overtly sexual, but builds warmth and yumminess when you’re close - a light addition of TUTH has proved to help take it over the “edge” in terms of physical reactions, without being too pushy.
(I’m also 40, the A314 might be a little “old” for you - but if she’s the girl who likes that sense of “higher value” vibe, that might help get you over the “respect” hump, esp if you can pass a “shit test” with good humor.)
Dating a coworker can be a tricky situation but it sounds like you are already on the attraction path. Next time she says you “might get lucky”, think to yourself “what’s this ‘might’ sht?" and "what’s this ‘lucky’ sht?” and remind her that she would be the lucky one… 
Also, another thought - have you tried actually, you know, touching her? Like, starting off with little touches when you make jokes or laugh at hers, then becoming little squeezes and longer touches? Try that, watch her eyes, and when she hits you with the “kiss me” face (sparkle-full eyes, yeah) - well, take the initiative and kiss her.
Also - it’s great to be there for someone who’s going through personal stuff but it’s a terrible place to seduce from, it’s instant “friend zone” if you are doing her a lot of favors - or worse, you are bonding on negatives if you let her saddle you up with all her life issues.
So maybe you can let her know that you have an interest in being MORE THAN FRIENDS but that you know, you’ve been maybe a little shy because of the work thing.
and then you can Turn Up The Heat.
Yes, great advice! And I share your opinion on confidence, and anxiety. It’s scary to face rejection, but you can’t get what you want otherwise! I have found that Instant Shine is so great for that, it has terrific self-effects. 
On the advice of the group i’ve ordered shine and i’m gonna try the touching see what that does
I’m a big fan of Instant Shine too, I really like the self-effects, its pretty rare that I don’t include IS in my mix
I once was proscribed a small amount of valium to get me to sleep, and I remember trying out one just before I went out, and boy! was there ever an absence of anxiety!! It was very very effective at removing anxiety, but of course one cannot regularly take valium as it creates dependance and addiction etc so I am still looking for solutions to my anxiety
I do hope you can find a solution for your anxiety my work colleague keeps a bag with him at all times incase he takes an anxiety attack .
with me theres no problems there i can talk have a laugh flirt ect when it comes to making a move nervous and shakey lol
Yes I get my anxiety at the most inopportune of times too
eg tearing up the dance floor, BRILLIANT mood, actually having a really good night with all of us doing well with the ladies, I have been approached a number of times this night by women, taken afew for a dance etc, and of course lady comes up to OUR group to tell us her friend is indeed looking for a hookup that night, and do we know someone we could set up with her
anyway so im on the dance floor, dancing. In a VERY good mood and the kind of woman who to me anyway is near 10/10, like very very hot, i.e. I would absolutely have shall we just say intense experience if her and I made it to the bedroom
She is clearly into me and comes up dancing against me, shoving her behind into my crotch, grinding up and down against me, clearly she had the confidence to do that, and clearly she err was at the very least very strongly coming onto me
What happens?
I feel intense anxiety lol, what a waste of time, and completely the wrong moment to feel anxiety lol. Instead of grabbing her and grinding with her confidently and enjoying it I get my anxiety and become very hesitant, ok im going to grab her, I can of half not do it, and yeah my responses are anxiety laden and jarred
Her friend takes her away, and it seems the woman is UPSET because I did not reciprocate her bold movies and blatant hitting on me
So thats the kind of time when I get anxiety, which is a really really NOT useful time to get it hahaha
I have tried a whole bunch of things, Tapping & EFT which seemed to help abit, herbal remedies like ashwaganda etc which seem just abit to weak for me, valium seemed quite effective, however unfortunately one cannot regularly consume valium of course as it is a drug. At this stage and because the anxiety has persisted for so long, I am thinking of paying for the assistance of a qualified professional in this area
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Yes I get my anxiety at the most inopportune of times too
eg tearing up the dance floor, BRILLIANT mood, actually having a really good night with all of us doing well with the ladies, I have been approached a number of times this night by women, taken afew for a dance etc, and of course lady comes up to OUR group to tell us her friend is indeed looking for a hookup that night, and do we know someone we could set up with her
anyway so im on the dance floor, dancing. In a VERY good mood and the kind of woman who to me anyway is near 10/10, like very very hot, i.e. I would absolutely have shall we just say intense experience if her and I made it to the bedroom
She is clearly into me and comes up dancing against me, shoving her behind into my crotch, grinding up and down against me, clearly she had the confidence to do that, and clearly she err was at the very least very strongly coming onto me
What happens?
I feel intense anxiety lol, what a waste of time, and completely the wrong moment to feel anxiety lol. Instead of grabbing her and grinding with her confidently and enjoying it I get my anxiety and become very hesitant, ok im going to grab her, I can of half not do it, and yeah my responses are anxiety laden and jarred
Her friend takes her away, and it seems the woman is UPSET because I did not reciprocate her bold movies and blatant hitting on me
So thats the kind of time when I get anxiety, which is a really really NOT useful time to get it hahaha
I have had that a load of times there was one occassion myself and my brother hooked up with these two girls him n his girl are well onto kissing and i was anxious about making a move on mine but once they left the room me n her started hugging and i whispered in her ear give me more and that was us we made out for a while then went into the bedroom and slept together .
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Yes there must be a reason it happens at that particular time
Thats the time when it would be best to be brimming with confidence and good feelings, anxiety is not a particularly useful emotion at that time
My doctor said I am allowed to take 1 valium tablet, every two weeks, and that would not cause addiction, tolerance etc so I might do an experiment where every two weeks I take a valium as an anxiolytic medication
Apparently people with various anxiety disorders are commonly prescribed various anxiolytics drugs to help combat their anxiety
I’m considering asking a qualified medical professional if an anxiolytic would be suitable for me, and what side affects etc there could be
I guess sometimes you just gotta do it
Sure there may be some anxiety, but I guess the best thing you can do is just do it
Easier said than done, expecially when I was in the grips of anxiety when that hot chick thrust herself onto me
As women can feel your emotional state, I dont think they enjoy being in a state of anxiety either hahaha
Hmm I have done some marvelous pickups when not feeling anxiety
Whenever you experience something that’s very stimulating and is new for you, you are likely to feel some anxiety.
That’s very normal behavior and no anxiety disorder.
You need to experience something like that a bunch of times to process through the related anxiety.
Trust me its not new 
and when I’ve managed to not have anxiety I’ve proceeded to same night full close
Still Im very interesting in hearing all new information on anxiety, so thanks for your input, but trust me I do have excessive anxiety Not your usual run of the mill anxiety people might experience in new situations
I have terrible anxiety.. it is chronic (i.e. doesn’t just occur in certain conditions) and i take a drug called clonazapam. if I miss it for even 4 hrs I get terrible anxiety, racing thoughts, nervousness, speech impairment.
We are in the same boat.. 
Yes we are in the same boat
At this point I think if a doctor decides its the right thing and prescribes some anti-anxiety drugs and they work, and the side affects are acceptable then I’ll just take them man lol
I did notice valium had a good effect on the anxiety, however I cant take that every day for obvious reasons
Only recently did I see there a whole bunch of drugs commonly prescribed to people for their anxiolytic effect
I’m pretty keen to consult a medical professional, and its up to a professional to make a diagnosis and decide on drug choices, which I highly suspect I fit into the category where I would be eligible for long term anxiolytic medicine
It would be really really great if the stuff works actually!
How are you finding the clonazapam ?
Did you get those symptoms before starting clonazapam and then the clonazapam stopped them, but stopping the clonazapam results in the symptoms re-appearing?
I believe what you are talking about here:
is as I have recently learned Trait Anxiety and State Anxiety
State Anxiety occurs under certain conditions
Trait anxiety is everpresent or occurs daily
I realised I have trait anxiety, it can be difficult of course because how does a fish that has only ever been living deep under the ocean ever realise that it is wet?
If you have chronic anxiety ie trait anxiety sometimes it can take a while before you realise the anxiety is excessive and is indeed trait anxiety
Again thats up to a qualified medical professional to diagnose though.
I get anxiety under ridiculous situations, it is not a useful emotion or state of mind to be in. I even got into a state of anxiety just reading up all this new information on anxiety lol!! hahaha
Thankfully unlike the fish I have non-anxiety times to compare too as well.
It seems the benzodiazepine class of drugs are commonly used to treat anxiety
You know as much as I dislike summer ammo these days i find that it does help with anxiety issues.. have you given it a shot? Nothing beats the drugs, get on something real and see a doctor for it.