As men we tend to read too much into what women do. I learned a long time ago how to turn that function off in my brain and it has served me well . The lady that turned away when “she saw you looking at her checking you out” may have freaked out because she was looking around and saw you staring straight at her. Sounds like she may have just been uncomfortable with the situation. But then again, the only way to be certain is to do something.
As far as the office girl, the only thing you need to give her for valentines day or her bday is a night out. Sorry to be so blatant, but eventually you’re going to have to sack up and make a move. Like was said earlier by Steve and K-train, and as I mentioned in my previous post, the longer you wait the worse you make it for yourself. I think you should give yourself a time limit with this girl. For example, tell yourself that by next Friday you will ask her out, otherwise stop wasting your time, energy, and money. And if you end up going out with her on valentines day or her bday, do not get her anything. The gift can be going to a nice restaurant. You’re already paying for dinner and you will have just started going out socially, so while she may be expecting something more, she shouldn’t be getting anything more. Again, sorry if I’m being more blatant than expected, but I’m just trying to help.
You are right about that, she has been married before. She been devoice now for seven years, and she been in a couple of relationships. Maybe I have a real soft spot for her. She even admitted herself that she has a wall up. She also been through a lot in her life in the past few years scotties123, so she definitely wants to take things slow but I do have to be proactive to see if I can push this friendship to another level.
friend zone impossible. as mystery says " go away for a year and re-enter her life as someone of higher value. u were friend-zoned as u did not display high enough value for her". Re-framing of a guy is difficult for a women once shes put u in the friendship category. best bet is to dissapear and re-enter a year later with a much sleazier frame. this time ull show sexual intent strait off the bat and plow. be non-reactive to her shit tests.
as the RSD guys say, “just plow through all her resistance”…tap her out till she submits, both mentally and physically, annoy her with your come ons till it becomes an easier option for her to just submit to your advances…all these Latin guys i know work on this theory on the dance floor, the same girl will reject em 10 times and they still go up and annoy em with a big sleazy grin. eventually the girls submit to there agression as they have no choice, its the only way theyll get rid of em.
my friend, no joke, at meat market type bars and clubs, willl gradually, slyly lock his arm around the girls neck while talking to em, till shes in a neck hold…haha, aint nuthin she can do but submit eventually lol
The more I think about it the more it makes sense to me. I will not buy her anything for valentines day or for her Bday. I’ll give myself a deadline of this Friday to ask her out on valentines day. This will give her time to think about it. How much time should I give her to reply?
10 seconds from when you ask. You can even give her a bit of an ultimatum if she avoids answering or seems hesitant: “I’m not playing these games anymore, do you want to go out or not”. If she says no, then stop flirting with her for good. Maintain a proper work relationship, but keep it only as a work relationship, no flirting or joining her on breaks, or having lunch with her. Again this is something to do if she says no. If you are still interested in her, ignoring her like this will drive her CRAZY. After a while she’ll do whatever she can to get your attention, including going out. But if this situation arises, when I say a while I mean months or more. Patience is a virtue . If she says yes, then congrats!
Wow,This is great. I’m beginning to understand. By doing all the things you told me to do it would make me be more valuable in her eyes, right? I have already given her attention and when I cut her off she will give me more attention, right?
I have already order IO and Instant gentleman. Will Instant gentleman help me? I bought the “to go” size. I’m going to buy the A314 once I receive my GC so it can cut down on the price. Can some one explain to me a little bit about this product?
It’s good stuff man, I’m sure you’ll enjoy it. The thing is that A314 isn’t as obvious as most pheros, it’s effects are quite subtle and it may take a while to really recognize hits but it’s awesome for the work environment and even clubs.
My advice would be to start with one drop, and try that out for a few days. Then go up to 2, 3 and maybe 4 but 4 drops should be the max. It’s main purpose is to make you seem like a person with high value, THE man. But congruence is a big factor also, so one thing I recommend is maybe putting a drop under your nose to feel the self effects better.
I call A314 my anti-friend zone phero because when I’m wearing it I KNOW I can’t be friend zoned, and even if I am I know it’s only temporary and that I can get out of it easily. However once again, congruence will determine the results you get. You must act the part or else you will fail.
A good thing to do would be to combine this with some IH or maybe some CTTM and some Instant Shine.
Oh and check out my journal because I’ve got LOTS of reports on A314. Scotties journal also has some reports on it so check that out too.
You got it . Let’s pretend she declines your offer and you stop flirting with her because of it. While it isn’t universal by any means, this is the usual progression: You stop flirting and showing her affection. She thinks you are trying to run some kind of game on her and disregards it for a while. You stay on course and don’t show her affection. She starts wondering what’s going on and will most likely ask you things like “what’s wrong?” and “why are you mad at me?”. Eventually she may get confrontational about it and say things like “I can’t believe you are acting like this”, “what’s your problem”, and general personal attacks. They do this to get an emotional response out of you. Even if it’s a negative emotional response, all they are looking for is some type of emotion from you directed at them. After this mess, she will return the favor and start ignoring you as well. But she won’t be doing it the way you are. You will be maintaining a professional and polite relationship, but she will resort to completely ignoring you. After some time (like I said before, it could very well be months) things will gradually get back to normal with both of you flirting a bit. This is now your last chance to get anything to happen if it’s going to. You have demonstrated to her that you are not someone she can walk all over and she will respect you for it, even if she doesn’t show it. Make a move. Done.
Again, this is not universal. It doesn’t always go this way. However, it does tend to follow this trend for the most part. But in the meantime, don’t just sit around and wait for her (unless you are actually in love with this woman, in which case I suggest you evaluate it and make sure it’s not just lust). Meet other women, mingle, improve your social skills. Fine tune yourself. You very well may meet another woman in this time that catches you by surprise and makes you realize that you really deserve someone good and not someone that takes advantage of you. Again, don’t limit yourself, mix it up, meet people.
Keep in mind you aren’t going to ignore her 100%. It’s important (for obvious reasons too) that you need to maintain a good work relationship, otherwise things could get bad. And there’s no reason to be rude. You can be nice without being submissive. You can still have casual conversations with her, but you need to be careful that it doesn’t fall back into what it was before. The key is that you aren’t giving her the attention that comes with attraction.
A314 would be better for you in this situation. I agree with what K-train said. Start at 1 drop, see how it effects you and those around you. Don’t be afraid to up it to 2 or 3 drops, but use 1 drop until you get a handle of it. You’d be surprised how much of a difference 1 or 2 drops makes (not always good, that’s why you need to test it slowly). And like K said, IH would be a good addition to it. If things get further with her and you end up going out, you could consider TUTH.
Please remember, I’m not an expert on this stuff, I just speak of what I know (doesn’t mean it’s always right ).
Thank you and I will keep you guys posted on the matter. Like I said before I will give myself a deadline of this Friday to ask her out. Today ( which is Tuesday) we have talked and joked around with each other but I didn’t flirt with her, which is hard for me to do. My products are on the way and I can’t wait to try them out. I won’t see her on Wednesday or Thursday because I have to go to anther department in the agency. I would try and not to flake out but stick to my guns,and give you guys her response OK?
Well you guys its time for the big update. First off let me tell you guys that my products came in which was the TO GO size of IO, IG, and a freebie sample of IJ. I did what is sometimes suggested in the message boards that you need to just try out just one of the mones one at a time to see the responses that you get more clearly. I put on four sprays of IO. one on the chest, two sprays on the neck so I can feel the effects myself, and one on my wrists. then I used my own cologne to cover the scent. However after wearing it for a few minutes I felt more at ease with myself. The mixture of my cologne and IO was weird. I just felt different about myself and the sent smelled great. I’m not sure if my co-workers knew a different but I sure did. Well during my time in the office with my lady friend we were talking to another co-worker together. Now I did not flirt with her this week, and I wasn’t at the office that Wednesday and Thursday. but I did notice a few signs while I was with her. OK, before we started talking to our fellow co-worker, she was reading the horoscopes. She read my sign. and my sign read " you work really hard at your goals but you wish to hard, you need to work things out."( What the hell that means I don’t know!) But I use that as a window of opportunely to ask her out on valentines day. And she said yes!!! but here is the weird part about all this. When the other worker came to talk to us, we began to joke around with each other. Then as she was talking to the other worker she kept on winking she eyes at me. She never did that to me before. I kept my cool and didn’t flirt back at her. When it was time to go home I was siting on a bench outside when she came to me and touched my chest( she caught me off guard, I should of made my move, but there was this crazy old dude talking to me, wouldn’t get out of my f**king face!!) and she told me good-bye and that she will call me. but she didn’t. So what I going to do is wait and see want she going to do. So guys at this point what do you think I should do?
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Congrats and nicely done! You have a date with her, but don’t fall back into the old routine. I suggest you still do not flirt with her at all. If she touches you, don’t act on it. If she flirts with you, don’t act on it. If she winks at you, act like nothing happened. The reason for this? It will build up anticipation for when you two go out. You can show her affection on the date, but don’t go overboard. The same rules from before apply even on the date. You can flirt, but don’t become a door mat again. Too many compliments are bad. Don’t try to hard to be “sweet” to her or to do something “special”. Just go out, and enjoy yourself.
As far as the calling thing, don’t call her. You can talk to her next time you see her, or when she calls you. And when you see her, don’t bring it up. Don’t let it seem like it bothered you, because girls are evil and will use this kind of stuff to drive guys crazy .
OK guys, Here is an update on the matter at hand with my lady friend at work. The week started out kind of good but it ended up kind of badly. what happened was that things were find until Tuesday. My lady friend was behind in her office work.(two weeks worth of office work) At first I offer to help her out a little. I was going to do some paper work at home Tuesday night after school, Wednesday, and Thursday. But something happen. I ended getting sick a school, so I e-mailed her and said that I wasn’t going to help her because I was sick. I was sick for two days. During this time she also got sick. When we both got back to work on Friday( today), I had sprayed on 4 sprays of IG and 4 sprays of IO. during that morning we were joking with each other like we normally do. I believe that I stepped on her toes a little bit, Im not sure. but the conversation got heated. At this time I was the most confident I ever been with this chick. She said that I never help her out. At this time she was acting real bratty and mean. Then I said that she should bring that meanness to our date on next Saturday. I told her I didn’t want her to get cold feet on me and change her mine about the date. I said that I didn’t want any kind of excuses form her. Then she said that she might still have paper work for that week to do on the week end.( next Saturday) She was back pelleting on the matter telling me that I don’t know her like that, telling her what to do. She start cussing at me but I told her cussing don’t mean nothing to me. The last thing that she told me was that she finally know who she is dealing it. She was so pissed she didn’t even say good bye to me today. All during this two weeks I stop given her poems and flirting with her. She always act like she always busy, but I know for a fact that she is not as busy as me. She just mad because I wasn’t her door mat any more. And since I had the last word on the matter, she is going to be thinking about me all this weekend . Do you guys think that I was too mean to her and should apologized to her next week at work? Or wait for her to come to me? I think that she understands that she cant mistake my kindness for weakness anymore.
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. The lady that turned away when “she saw you looking at her checking you out” may have freaked out because she was looking around and saw you staring straight at her. Sounds like she may have just been uncomfortable with the situation. But then again, the only way to be certain is to do something 
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. If she says yes, then congrats! 
I would try and not to flake out but stick to my guns,and give you guys her response OK?
) and she told me good-bye and that she will call me. but she didn’t. So what I going to do is wait and see want she going to do. So guys at this point what do you think I should do?