I’ve been wearing instant shine and notice I come across with an aloof confidence. Not just confident but knowing I am not needy in any way.
The question then becomes should I act this out as the stud who doesn’t give a crap and takes the lead and makes everyones day. Or can I still play seduction? With seduction you need more continuous talking and eye contact and I wonder if this product is suitable for that. With it on I feel like half the time talking, have the time doing things (using cell phone, opening doors etc).
I find it difficult to think of just pure verbal seduction as in sitting over a cup of coffee and talking straight for 30 min. I find I would quickly lose focus in what is being told to me.
I find this is not true with products like SOE or openness etc.
I like instant shine and this girl I like really responds to it but I was wondering should I just be myself and go with the flow (which usually leads to supplication with women a bad thing) or should I create seduction and take her into my world. and can that be done with this particular aura?
I dont think instant shine is supposed to be that complicated just act yourself and have fun. It is the feel good pheromone so just dont act antisocial, have good game and you should be fine. You might want to add some ammo aswell if you have it.
Instant Shine is great for gaining attraction. You can definitely use it in such a way and you should be trying to “take her into your world” as you stated.
This is the issue, have good game. What kind of game suits instant shine? Neil Strauss Rules of the game (The nerd who overcame)? David Deagelo cocky method, ROSS jEFRIES (The child molester method) etc.
Good game means acting and I suck at acting. I fumble over my own words as I try to recite them. I need to keep it real but everytime I do I end up supplicating.
Without the above games I generally show chit chat, more serious face, and was a computer programmer my whole life. I have social phobias when it comes to chasing beautiful women.
I also feel I am at a disadvatage being 40 and chasing women half my age. On the other hand because of the way I dress I usually attract those types. Also because I still look young (maybe the instant shine).
With tuth I come across more direct and forceful. I’m not sure if tuth makes me too serious once again.
I am blood type O , in a relationship but not physically satisfied and don’t know how to approach women and cover the fact that I’m taken.
I am primarily chasing skirt but I want this particular girls I like and not just any. I would love it if they didn’t know I was taken but I don’t know how to cover it up as I am horrible at lying. I also don’t want to lose my significant other.
Any idea how I can play this up and get involved in flings without it becoming serious or without having women interrogate me. for example on Facebook they would know I’m taken by the messages I have.
So what do I do ? I have never cheated before. I also feel just going with the flow is stupid as I may end up deep and involved.
I don’t like night clubs too much as I can’t dance worth shit. Also I don’t want to contract any diseases so I don’t want to sleep with sluts either.
I am thinking about getting another cell phone for this “alter ego” lifestyle and leaving it OFF unless I call.
I think there reason they called the product instant shine is because it is a feel good product. When you feel good, you perform good in everything you do. Don’t stress on how to do stuff, just go with the flow. Sometimes it is good to have a map, but the “Game” map wont get you to every location(no pun intended)
Hello dsouza, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you are going to get caught and possibly lose your significant other if you keep this up. Trust me good girls are hard to come by especially at your age. Why don’t you take the other approach of working on your significant other to get physically satisfied . Good luck.
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Should I tell all these women I’m in a serious relationship but just want sex with them? I can see them running from that. How do I come across as I don’t want to leave my SO because I love her, but physically I am not happy and need that satisfaction with other women?
More importantly how do I do this without getting caught and without destroying my 8 year bond with my current significant other?
Like I said if I was a natural actor I could lie and pull it off but i suck at lying growing up honest for the most part. So what should I do?
I DO NOT want to break up with my SO.
Also what mones will help me here. I don’t mind visiting cafes, restaurants and bars but not clubs as she will think something is up if I come home to late (we live together).
Also if I dont recite lines from game manuals (the game, double your dating etc) how will I know what to say to get to sex? My whole life was working out and women chased me. I got sex by jumping them (usually by 3rd date they would be all over me by first kissing).
But now that I’m 40 the body is pretty much not in top shape and carrying extra weight. My social skills are lacking beyond chit chat and i can’t dance worth shit.
Is instant shine my ticket? Or would you recommend another. I really like this girl I met, perhaps because she is a 10 and possesses a quality of unattainability to some extent. She popular , talks to me, I asked her to coffee, and she looked me up on facebook and saw me with a pic of my SO and her smile vanished. Later on with instant shine I got her smiling again so it must work miracles.
I’ve been out of the dating scene for 10 years being in a serious relationship. What is my best bet to keep my current life and just enjoy casual encounters?
One GOOD thing I have going for me is I’m somewhat a challenge. Being taken implies being less likely to fall all over this new girls every command as I’m busy all the time with erands and things. In a way I may be able to play on the whole I’m a challenge vibe.
I also wanted to mention a sex gameplan manual that relies on HONESTY so it may work for me. You learn to be an actor like in all game plans but an honest one.
Its called How to CHARM women by Gary Brodsky. Anyone have any comments on it. I think it will work fine with instant shine.
HERES MY ADVICE … If YOUR looking to cheat I’m guessing your significant other IS already. YOUR asking people to help you be a better cheat and that’s ridiculous. Use 10 sprays of Jerk it suits you well…MY REAL ADVICE is if you love your significant other TRUTHFULLY you wouldn’t be asking this/these questions…YOU can’t have your cake and eat it too…BE SINGLE or continue with your SO, but I’ll be damned if I’m giving you any advice on how to cheat on someone. I hope you have the courtesy to delete this nonsense. Thank you very much and hit the gym and get your swagger back AND THEN your SO will be jumping your bones and you won’t have to CHEAT!!!
I think you’re getting moralistic to too far a degree on this subject. My SO has guy friends , goes to lunch with them at work, flirts, I flirt too. We are not so POSSESSIVE of each other that we think that’s called cheating. We are definitely not religious.
We have love that grows from taking care of each other but like many men I can tell you I can differentiate between love and sex. The two although they can go together are not necessarily required too.
Over 50% of relationships end up breaking up and usually someone cheats. The only difference is I am bringing up the subject.
Do me a favor and not get moralistic on me. I’m looking for gameplan and mone advice not whether or not my morals are your morals. Cause they’re not… and you can’t judge a person unless you’ve walked in their shoes.
SO your telling me she knows that YOUR trying to have sex with other women. Then why try and hide it??? Trust me buddy I’m not pushing anything on you and prolly shouldn’t have told you to delete this thread, BUT I still don’t and won’t give you advice on how to cheat. THATS MY RIGHT AND iF YOUR trying to hide your “flirtatious” ways then something is a little fishy IMO… Others can give you advice, but you can search threads on how to cheat and see if you come up with anything…ROTFL Good luck and WHAT are MORALS??? I heard they were some sort of mushroom or something
I am not about to get moralistic on you but I am not going to lie to you either. I tend to see things with clarity. You asked a direct question that go’s against the character of many people here. If you didnt want to hear what we had to say on your situation you could have left the part out about cheating and your SO and just asked about one night stands. You didnt so you get the full response.
I have no problem with people being in open relationships and I am open minded. However what your saying is not about being in a open relationship. Its about lying and not getting caught.
I assume she is not lying to you correct ?
Your SO has other male friends she spends time with. You know about them. She flirts but she is not looking to have sex with them. They are just friends. She is not cheating on you. Your not looking to flirt though, your looking for sex.
If its not cheating why would you be worried about this ? Why would you need to lie ? Because deep down you know what your looking to do go’s against the commitment you made with your SO, the foundation of your relationship and your own character. Its dishonest, disloyal, disrespectful and hurtful not only to your SO but to the girls your thinking of using to gain satisfaction. Its not of your natural character as you already pointed out. None of this speaks of morals or religion. Its speaks of a mans character.
The answer to your above question is you cant pull it off without it affecting your current bond. Even if you never got caught once you break your end of the bond it will never be the same because you will damage your own character and that will effect that bond one way or the other.
By telling the truth to both the girls and your SO and if they are not interested after that leaving it at that.
I am assuming you have worked on the physically unhappy part with your SO already so she is aware your physically unhappy. Do you think she would be open minded to you finding satisfaction elsewhere ? There are very few women who just have sex for the sake of having sex. Sex tends to create a bond. Its not that they dont exist out there, they do its just not easy to find them.
Whats love got to do with it ? Love and commitment are two different things.
Sorry but I can only explain this with a house metaphor.
See I dont believe its a issue of Love. I think you love your SO or you would have just jumped into a fling by now without questioning it. My opinion is love go’s way beyond sex. Love is the ground your build the foundation of all relationships on. That foundation is made of commitment, trust, loyalty, truth, respect, compassion, sexual compatibility, shared values among other things from both parties in the relationship depending on the type of relationship it is.
Obviously the sexual compatibility part of your relationship is weak and needs some work. However thats just one small part. It depends greatly on what you both have built the foundation of your relationship out of. If you take this step be aware that all the parts of that foundation will become weak. They wont sustain your bond or relationship anymore. Eventually all houses (relationships) built on a weak foundation fall.
Sometimes people have open relationships as part of there foundation and it works out because both parties agree to this when they are building the relationship. I may be wrong but I dont think thats part of your foundation. Not saying it can’t become part of your foundation but you cant add that to the foundation without her knowledge. That would weaken other parts.
I am not telling you to do it or not do it. I am not judging you because frankly I think this moment comes up in almost every relationship. That moment when you have to look at the house you built with your SO and choose whether to strengthen that foundation or damage it.
You have three choices… Strengthen it by working on your own issues such as the sex part. Change it by discussing an open relationship or damage it by being deceitful and weakening your foundation. Its not a easy choice to make.
I just want to add that I do not think your wrong in any way for wanting a sexually satisfying life. Sex is part of most peoples committed relationships. Your SO needs to understand that this is a very important part of the foundation of your relationship. You cant be expected to work on it alone. Cheating is not going to fix that.
I have no pheromone advice for you because pheromones cant do what your hoping they will. They can arouse and attract but they cant make a person have mindless sex with you.
Do we really have to take moral policing our personal agenda. its his life, his choices.. if he screws up, he stands to loose.. so if he is willing to take a risk… I’d say, let him… If it goes against your grain, don’t help him at all. period.
do we all really need to pile on him
I am just looking out for MY best interest. If women are constantly getting hurt, they become jaded. Have you ever tried getting to know someone who has been constantly hurt??? EVERY male becomes a bad apple in their eyes and it takes a lot of effort to get to an acceptable level of comfort. So IMO when a woman gets cheated on it scars her a bit for the rest of us and the more it happens the deeper that scar and it leaves that person less able to trust and thus makes it harder for me to sleep with her
I have put my two cents in and will leave it at that
Like I said if he just asked how to go about achieving one night stands then that would have been different. If you read his post he asked a whole lot more then that.
No one has taken his right to choose away from him. No one is piling on him. He is not being judged. We simply told him the truth. It may not have been what he wanted to hear or what you want to hear but its the truth non the less. Sometimes hearing the truth is not easy because it means you have to take your mask off and truly see yourself.
He asked for advice and tips in post number 4 and 7.
If you dont want the truth then dont ask at least around me.
“The world is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look at it without doing anything” Albert Einstein
I believe this quote by Einstein. I see people complain about there problems and relationships everyday. I see them complain about the world around them everyday. I also see those same people ignore it, keep it to themselves, dont rock the boat, dont speak there truth, dont go against the grain then have nerve enough to wonder whats wrong with the world and people these days. Why do people act as they do.
Whats wrong ? People stand back and do and say nothing thats whats wrong.
I dont force my opinion, my advice or my beliefs on people but if asked I will voice them. I wont stand there and do or say nothing. They can take that advice or leave it.
Men in here constantly talk about how to be the alpha. There it is in a nut shell. Be the one who stands up and says something. The one who does something. The one who go’s against the grain even if its not what you want to hear.
all the best with your efforts on the woman you are after, but that apart I’d suggest you bother less about what women feel, cause from what I’ve seen women are no better than men when it comes to cheating.. well may be they are a bit more careful & discrete with things…that’s all … otherwise both parties are guilty as hell.
@ tisha
I am certainly guilty on not reading all his posts . but then I do understand that he is ogling at the grass on other side and seeking tips to get there without his miscuss knowing. leaving it there
When I commented earlier, your earlier post was not in consideration. I mean that was not what I had in mind. your post was more like showing the mirror to him and asking him to make up his mind… fair enough. &
I am not encouraging cheating either.. personally let me put it this way, I am a bit sympathetic to people in unsatifactory relationships and my take is.. if things dont work, find an alternative but be forthcoming about it… not for the sake of honesty and all morals but for the sake of less complications and less hurt feelings.
I don’t disagree with any part of your post except this
earlier I’d have agreed with you. but now the world looks different to me. I find so many women, all age groups, prim and proper to the world, sometimes happily (I wonder) married, with kids, or single women in an existing relationships, cheating all the way ( I mean the no strings attached way) … it makes me wonder… aren’t they just as worse than men..
No wonder the religious nut cases protest against contraception. it certainly has enabled women overcome natural risks against cheating and put them at an equal footing with men now.
Morality aside, and practical common sense being used in it’s place…a good rule of thumb is “If you wouldn’t do it in front her, then you probably shouldn’t do it at all”
You say you love her, but you’re A.) lying to her, and B.) lying to her about intending to follow through on an act that you KNOW would hurt her if she knew.
The real irony of this is that you’re chasing women behind her back and lying to her, but also leaving information about her out when you’re dealing with these other women. And yet you feel like you’re not being “real” by using PUA tactics and canned lines. So practical advice, stop dismissing the PUA strategies and theories as being fake or insincere, as I suspect you’re only telling yourself that to create a false sense of self righteousness to distract yourself from the fact that you really aren’t being honest with any of the women you claim to like…which ultimately means you’re lying to yourself as well.
I mean think about it “I want to seduce women without my SO finding out, or the other women finding out about her but I don’t want to use pickup techniques because that’s too phony”
Now I’m not taking a moral stance on the notion of being with more than one woman. I’ve had periods where I was casually seeing up to three women at a time, and while they didn’t know each other, they knew OF each other. I’ve never told a woman that I was in love when I wasn’t, I never let her think she was the only one if she wasn’t.
I got a kooky idea here though, if you’re not feeling sexually satisfied with your SO…talk to her about it. Who knows, if you talk about what you’d like, she might just try and give it to you…but she can’t fix a problem she doesn’t know about.
I didnt say women didnt cheat LOL. Cheating is dishonest whether your male or female. Its no worse or no better if done by one gender or the other. It is what it is. Its just my impression but I didnt feel he was looking at that demographic (married). It seemed he was looking for younger unattached women. Its hard to find unattached women looking for just sex. They tend to attach themselves to you.
Your argument follows the same line of thinking as the poster in as much as the effects on others are not considered. It’s not simply about him, it’s about an action that could cause emotional hurt to his SO and possibly to the woman he manages to seduce should she get emotionally attached and develop expectations that he can’t or won’t deliver on. So you’re essentially a morally relativistic stance by saying that if somebody wants to hurt another person for selfish reasons then nobody has any right to judge…this is a flawed logic because it cannot be universally applied. If it could be, then we would not need or want a legal system as people would be allowed to follow their Id and indulge without consideration for the effects their acts have on others and the only truly immoral act would be to judge or condemn.
Ultimately none of us has any power to impose our morals on him, only express them. He will do what he wants to do regardless of anyones words. However as I stated earlier, dismissing PUA tactics as being phony while being less than forthcoming with both his SO and the women he’s hoping to seduce is a hypocritical stance that imo is taken simply to help himself feel as if he’s more “real” than he actually is.
Expecting to announce that he plans on cheating and is likely to be dishonest with any women he manages to cheat with…and not hear opinions that oppose the act is simply downright naive. He could have simply kept his questions technical and related to selection of product and how to carry the signal effectively. But he didn’t, he threw out the personal info for reasons he should probably think about. None of us needed to know that, but he told us anyway…if I had to guess, I’d suspect that he essentially knows that it’s dishonest and is feeling some pangs of guilt. Sharing with a forum of strangers could be him hoping to get some kind of approval or endorsement of his actions to help relieve his guilt.
. Good luck.
… If YOUR looking to cheat I’m guessing your significant other IS already. YOUR asking people to help you be a better cheat and that’s ridiculous. Use 10 sprays of Jerk it suits you well…MY REAL ADVICE 
is if you love your significant other TRUTHFULLY you wouldn’t be asking this/these questions…YOU can’t have your cake and eat it too…BE SINGLE or continue with your SO, but I’ll be damned if I’m giving you any advice on how to cheat on someone.
I hope you have the courtesy to delete this nonsense. Thank you very much and hit the gym and get your swagger back AND THEN your SO will be jumping your bones and you won’t have to CHEAT!!!
. but then I do understand that he is ogling at the grass on other side and seeking tips to get there without his miscuss knowing. leaving it there