I decided to take my newly delivered SOE out for a spin whilst waiting for my A314 and Instant Shine & Instant Openness to arrive and I got a little bit more respect the first day (slightly more thn usual, but nothing sexual), but as soon as I ramped it up it does seem to make me more invisible.
The only slightly positive thing is that my missus became a bit touch-feely yesterday…but not for long. Those who saw my ‘Hello’ post will recall that she doesn’t normally smell anything or react to anything. Perhaps there’s a clue here?
I read Toil’s Bootcamp post today and noted he says that some people have high natural production. That might explain why I’ve had success with Pherlure (something I don’t think anyone else seems to rate as I know know it’s such a low dosage/mild product?)
Does this mean I’m wasting my time with the A314? And might I OD on them too? Maybe it’s the sodding wet weather over here
Any thoughts would be appreciated guys & gals. What’s the least powerful none?
For reference, I started using 2-4" of SOE (hard to judge with that stoopid roll on things - sorry, just my view). Then I increased it, prob doubled it, again cos it is so hard to dose accurately.
I plan to go down to the smallest bit I can administer tomorrow and move up sloowly.
As far as I know there is no anone in SOE. Its anols and arone. So no you really cant OD on it .
SOE is more of a friendly social mix, Good stuff. The arone could have made the missus touchy feely a little as it should make her more comfortable and upbeat.
No I dont think you wasting your time with A314 or any other anone product. You just have to figure out your dosage.
Tisha’s correct. The OD question has come up many times on another Forum. The key to avoiding OD appears to be avoiding androstenone, which is one reason it is not in the Scent of Eros products.
I’ve used Scent of Eros and discussed it frequently with other users for over 4 years. Not once have I ever heard of an OD, at least in the sense of negative reactions such as aggression, indifference or fear. After all, it’s mostly androstenol with a hint of androsterone. You can’t get much more harmless than that combo. To be precise, Scent of Eros is 4 mg alpha androstenol and 1 mg androsterone dissolved in 10 ml of carrier. After all these years it still one of my favs.
Androstenol is about as friendly and talkative as pheromones get. The small amount of androsterone helps impart a peaceful masculine air and is nothing like it’s evil cousin, androstenone. I’m guessing you suffered a mere coincidence, were around stuck-up people or something in your behavior triggered their behavior. I get ignored all the time with or without pheromones. It’s easy: just make like a Buddha head. People only pay attention if I do something deserving of attention. Actually it’s nice to be able to turn it on and off. Too much attention at work. I appreciate being lost in the crowd once in a while.
I’ve read, albeit not frequently, that androsterone rich product makes some women excited. Women usually have to be already be excited about me without pheromones for that to happen. In other words, androsterone has proved neutral as sensuous enhancement for me. It’s been great for enhancing respect but isn’t very sexual unless supplemented with androstenone. Of course some guys have plenty of natural androstenone, so a dose of androsterone may tame the edge and make them more approachable without reducing the alpha stud vibe.
Of course, women with a thing for “daddy” are another story. Androsterone gives off the fatherly alpha air in spades. These types of women tend to be mentally ill–father problems while growing up–and things got twisted into odd sexual preferences. I don’t really like being called “papa” while making love…
Well, the Scent of Eros experts (jvkohl and Gegogi) have spoken but I will add in my meager two cents to say I have used Scent of Eros for almost two years and have never had any negative reaction like an OD to it.
Its also very possible that the androstenol caused arousal in his wife. Androstenol is known to be more social than sexual, but we shouldn’t discount the sexual benefit of having someone feel more uplifted, social, comfortable etc etc around you. There are all sorts of ‘triggers’ that can elicit a feeling of arousal.
The “fatherly alpha air” conflates a sex difference in the ratio of androsterone to etiocholanolone with the tissue type-dependent scent signature of “daddy”. The sex difference is the alpha male component; the tissue type is the fatherly component. It is atypical for any woman to be sexually aroused by the tissue type-dependent scent signature, but very typical for her to be sexually aroused by the sex difference in scent signatures.
This suggests that you may be attracting significant numbers of atypical women. As a former musician, I find this to be very likely, and suspect you have a strong stage presence; a fatherly “teaching” style, or both. For all we know, you might be out there singing “Father Figure” by George Michael and attracting different women than when I was singing “I want to kiss you all over” by Exile. In any case, I think we both know how to “target” a particular type of woman in the audience. Have you considered the likelihood that you may be targeting atypical women? Talk to your percussionist about this; he’s probably attracting a different type, like when I sing “Hell Yeah” by Montgomery Gentry to that great-looking girl with the cowboy hat.
Actually I seem to be a magnet for deviant women. And, yes, when they find out I’m a pro musician, I can see a little light switch on in their eyes. And they do expect deviant behavior from artists so I can get away with all sorts of ridiculous things, at least for a short while…
…“father problems while growing up” sent a shiver down my spine because that is my wife to a tee. And she calls me Dad (maybe I see where our problems lie )
Thanks for all the supportive advice, to each and everyone of you. What a friendly and knowledgeable bunch. Every little bit of advice really helps.
But back to SOE. I’m probably being a paranoid Brit…but just as a precaution, I cut right back today on SOE and will slowly increase to see what gives. And will go right through to OD (if that’s the word for SOE).
Then I’ll know my limit.
Indifference was just the reaction I got 2 days straight, but perhaps it was just me!
Gegogi - I used to be a bit of a musician myself (well enough to write songs anyway), but never got anything published. I dabbled on the keyboard. :o
Invisibility with applying high amounts of -rone has been reported before at l-s. If you get favorable responses at a certain dose and then you increase the dosage and the responses decrease or become unfavorable the latter dose is OD for you. OD doesn’t happen with androstenone only IMHO, it’s just that OD with androstenone has the most negative effects.
I checked there forum before my reply and found many reliable people responding that its next to impossible to OD on Scent of Eros. But to be sure I PMed JV and asked him to pop in.
jonny only used it once and didnt use very much so its highly unlikely that he was getting the OD effect.
I suppose you could OD on anything if you use to much of it. I also think alot of the new people get scared when they see the word so they have a hard time getting certain products to work for them because they never use enough. For you to get a OD effect with Androsterone I feel you need a extreme amount. Its more likely the people who reported it noticed no response.
Back in the day I tried repeatedly to OD on Scent of Eros. I actually donned 3 gel packs–the older large ones–and merely got plenty of wild giggling, spacey behavior and nonstop motormouth. Sometimes I was rewarded with a DIHL but after a few smartass remarks from me they usually turned into a massive talking head.
Ah dunno, maybe guys with rude or badass personalities and/or high natural androsterone can OD on the small amount of -Androsterone in Scent of Eros, but, try as I may, I sure couldn’t OD. And I wanted to so badly!
I have one final theory. Androstenol–the main pheromone in Scent of Eros–will breakdown to androstenone when exposed to sweat, body heat and skin bacteria. Maybe the OP put on the funk and converted his -Androstenol to -none and OD that way.
The daddy issue thing is a real nutter. My last 2 GFs had serious daddy issues and openly confessed the daddy thing was what first attracted them to me. One had been molested by her dad. The other told me her dad left when she was small and she’s been looking for him ever since. Kinda sick but I was too horny to flee.
Tisha you could well be right. There is definitely something ‘arousing’ about AndrosteRone though obviously in a completely different way to AndrosteNone. I also think A314, being AndrosteRone ‘debugged’ with other pheromones, misses out on some of the ‘buzzy’, ‘arousing’ aspects of high doses of pure AndrosteRone. What do you think?
Some posts from the past on the effects of AndrosteRone are pasted in below (including some describing this -Androsterone ‘buzz’)…
I LOVE -Androsterone. Scent of Eros gets me hot faster than any of the products I’ve tried. -None does nothing for me, and -Androstenol just makes me really friendly. Scent of Eros, with -Androstenol and -Androsterone, makes me horny AND very friendly.
So I guess you could call that a result using straight -Androsterone.
Sexyredhead (August 22, 2003):
“…Scent of Eros can keep me happy and horny all day. It’s different from the -Androstenol reaction I have, because I often wear PIw or lavender SPMO by themselves. So the -Androsterone’s effect isn’t just immediate–it’s long-lasting. That’s not just an adrenal reaction, or I’d end up tired and b!tchy after wearing it for a while.”
Elana (February 17, 2004):
“but I do know this…it [CS -Androsterone] gave me a buzz… I was wired. I had to have Franki and SRH talk me down… SRH and I haven’t figured out if the attention from the men is because of how great it makes us feel, or if it effects them too. It just makes us feel fantastic.”
Dolly (February 17, 2004):
“…As for the -Androsterone] buzz, to me, it feel like you would if you went out for lunch and had a light margarita with your meal. Not drunk, but just “feeling it” a little...”
Sexyredhead (February 18, 2004)
"…But [the reaction to -Androsterone is] not relaxing–it’s a rush!
dolly (February 18, 2004):
"…Today was different from just wearing Primal Instinct For Women. The Androstenol did make a few of my co-workers friendlier (in general)when I wore it alone, but the -Androsterone seemed to intensify it all.And, I had the little buzz going, too. Bonus for me!
… In a 10 ml roll-on bottle, I had about 2.5 ml of Primal Instinct For Women, almost 1 ml of CS-Androsterone (I didn’t have enough room in my bottle for more), and the rest was a musk cologne. Really nice!! I liked it very much!! A keeper!!
I put some on my wrists, and all the way around my neck (behind the ears too). "
surfs up aka Tacitus (April 20, 2004):
“…I’ve had years of experience with androsterone. It tends to behave like a “confirming” messenger. It solidifies and consolidates the effects of the primary message…”
DrSmellThis (May 14, 2005):
"…Androsterone has historically been great to enhance other things, but not as the primary focus – this goes way back to the earlier forum days, when too much -Androsterone was often talked about as ruining a mix.
Later, especially after Regina Maiworm’s groundbreaking -Androsterone studies, its reputation became one of creating a multidimensional positive impression, enhancing (non-threatening – like with fathers or brothers) masculinity and alphaness, but lessening sexual reactions…"
Sagacious1420 (May 26, 2005):
“…Androsterone really gets their women’s motor running, but also zaps them of energy after prolonged exposure…”
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tacitus (May 6, 2007):
“Eyup… most of my sexmix combos have a strong base of Androsterone… Androsterone has made for some freaking mind warpingly good sex… Alpha Androstenol has also been a fine constant, where beta-Androstenol can make things too “heady”… I like a pinch of None, but not too much, you need just enought to stomp on the gas, -Androstadienone has proven its worth too, EST will really deepen the communication aspects, P74 is excellent in this direction as well, while P79,P83,P90,P93 all add some deep bodymind animal notes, a smidge of TAH will bring out the colors, so to speak, and P86 has been one of the great sleeper surprises, it is more of an integrator, although there is a real P86 quality boost of “it all comes together at the right moment”… P80 WILL put a heavy umph behind the whole deal, but use VERY sparingly, or they will feel like they are mating with a Cape Buffalo…”
m3turbo (July 5, 2007):
"I have found that if you hit a woman with a strong whiff of androsterone during the right spot in her cycle you can drive her crazy . I always use large doses of Androsterone as the foundation to all miy mixes.
Outside the underarm area, the conversion of androstenol to androstenone is unlikely (different bacteria predominate in different areas–and the bacteria type/content of women is different than men). Unless you’re applying it to your pits, which I don’t recommend, it would take many hours and many bacteria to convert the androstenol to androstenone.
On the other hand, if you have rolled the bottle of Scent of Eros across your pits, you might introduce enough bacterial contamination to present a problem–especially if you leave the bottle in a warm place with direct sunlight exposure.
You should use it the same way you use other fragrance products for the best effects–the roll on is just for convenience, and I think it was good for overall market appeal.
Thanks to Tish for drawing my attention to this thread.
James & other posters, thanks for the follow up replies. As the Original Poster I should re-emphasise my original intention and clear a couple things up.
I have only used SOE on the inside of my forearms, wrists and/or behind the ear and on my neck. Not in massive quantities either.
But my original post was to find out whether I may have naturally produced alot of ‘whatever’ to the point that only a relatively small amount of SOE tipped me into what I incorrectly termed OD.
I know this wasn’t the suggestion , but I don’t put SOE or any other of these products any where near my pits . Only basic deodorant. I’m a twice a day many (shower, that it is -I’ve been married too long for that).. I shower twice a day and anyone who knows England in mid-winter…it’s pretty damn hard to work up a sweat outside of the gym.
I have no doubt about the efficacy of SOE. My only questions were (and still are) around how high (or not) my own natural levels of some of these things might be and how those products might push me over some limit with certain women.
Interestingly, the lady/co-colleague who have me a slightly negative vibe after just 2 days use was one who’d previously given me IOI on numerous occasions. Perhaps this was just my mis-reading things or maybe she just had a crappy day?
Anyways, thanks again. My experimentation continues (am having great results with A314, Instant Openness, Instant Shine) and am still dabbling in SOE.
Sometimes a change in the scent signature will throw people off. If she was familiar with, and liked, your natural signature, this could have been what happened to you.
Maybe it’s the sodding wet weather over here 
I always use large doses of Androsterone as the foundation to all miy mixes.
, but I don’t put SOE or any other of these products any where near my pits 