to say i laugh alot is no exaggeration. remember the movie “the money pit” ? remember the scene where tom hanks watches the tub fall through the floor and he just looks for a silent minute and then laughs that out-of-breath goofy laugh? okay, thats me. and if you havent seen the movie, i highly reccomend it. i know, REAL sexay, hahaha
She really does… you should see her laugh, she gets this cute little… oh, sorry, I’m not supposed to know that yet. 
Once again, my apologies to MHarris. LS business shouldn’t be presented in his forum, by me or any other user. It isn’t fair to him. On the other hand I do feel I have to right to reply in my own defense so I’ll make two comments.
- None of the mods have the slightest idea how much is spent at love scent.
- Every ban is discussed and approved. And every banned user has the option of asking why if they don’t already know.
If anybody ever wants to contact me personally and ask I’ll be happy to get an answer for them, if I can. I believe my profile here allows you to send me email.
Why on earth did this get resurrected, I wonder?
I hope people here know me enough by now, to “get” this… >_<
Ail 
There Goes Belgareth Missing the Point Again
All business is free enterprise, Everybody does comparisons when shopping.If you buy a car don’t you shop on line and visit dealers.Don’t you show them the offers that you can get. Don’t you post online how good a deal you received…OF COURSE YOU DO!!! Why not pheromones!!
The purpose of the forum is to share information,how the product works,what works, what doesn’t…sure its a great tool,and it is used often to inroduce new products.
Since this and all forums are not the sole property of the Moderators, then as long as the post does not contain hurtful material then the MOs should back off…
It would be in everyones best interest to encourge competition
because as we know competition is good for business and good for the customer…
I have never read any post on the L/S forum that I felt was harsh or objectionable …Perhaps the Moderators think that the forum
cannot run without them…Bel if you left tomorrow do you think L/S
would close their doors.???
Traderneil Las Vegas
Of course I know LS would continue. And I do not ever try to censor anything despite the outright lies told here. If any of you wanted to go back and look you could find a place in the pherlure thread where users asked us to censor a thread about a competing product and I refused.
Actually all forums are the sole property of the person who provides it and the mods are obligated to follow their rules. For those of you who never bothered to read it, here is the policy we enforce. http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?p=177745#post177745post177745
there is a place for everyone to speak their minds, and specific forums may not be the place to do it. our problem..as the posters to the forums… is trying to morph them into something they are not if we find ourselves fighting the system. kind of like going to the salad bar and demanding a steak, no? i would not be happy posting anywhere my presence was not wanted, and as i view any forum evolving to one of “high focus”, i take my cue and fade-out. i wish not to experience the casting-out, and know that i am valued somewhere if not there. im trying to be general. it appears feelings are hurt in the casting, and feelings are hurt in the re-telling of the casting ,quite the eye for an eye.
in any event, i am very attracted to the confidence of a business that allows the discussion of any other business, knowing it is of no threat to its survival.
@Belgareth
I feel that if you wish to clarify whatever aspects of your actions, please communicate with the individuals directly. I believe the email record is available via the user signup at LS (mod/admin notification).
Clarifications done “posthumously” could offer some insights, although not a terribly interesting read for others.
I am willing to talk with anyone who wishes it and have said so. Even went so far as to modify my profile here so I can be emailed. I don’t feel I have anything to clarify about my own actions but I do feel I have the right to correct incorrect and untruthful statements about me and my actions at any time or place.
I typed a rather lengthy response just now, realizing after having read it that mindlessly flaming your posts would only bring me down to the mentallity of some of the LS posters.
You have every right to defend yourself here.
I will say that I’vehad, on more than one occasion, posts that mention Androtics by name or its products, deleted by one of the moderators. I’m not saying it was you, because I really can’t say who it was. Of course I have no evidence of such, as my posts are long gone by now. Someone on LS’s side knows I speak the truth though, as somebody had to have physically removed my posts from the forum.
Allowing people to post about pherlure is quite harmless to LS, much unlike people posting about Androtics, which is a viable competitor to LS. When posts are selectively deleted in such a manner, as it seems to me they are, it seems a bit manipulative IMO. Again I’m not accusing you personally, but having had my own posts deleted like they were does raise some concerns on my end. Someone was/is out to keep androtics’ name out of the forum, as is evidenced by several separate cases mentioned here.
There’s nothing wrong with it really, you guys have every right to police the forum in anyway you seem fit. It doesn’t alleviate the fact that we’re bothered by the things that come as a product of those policies, and I feel we have the right to voice whatever concerns we have about LS, outside LS’s forum.
Sigma
I am a lurker. Originally an LS customer, but now a customer here.
But I can’t help but to ask myself, is it really appropriate to discuss a competing business’ (LS) policies and conduct in another’s (AD’s) venue?
I don’t think it violates any rules here, reguardless it exists for only as long as MHarris lets it, but I question the taste and appropriateness of it. Even why.
I think anything more than coming here and posting once reguarding willingness to take emails/review why paticular users were banned is in bad taste and inproper in these specific circumstances.
More over, dispite keeping your posts short and sweet, i’m not sure why you feel the need to defend yourself anywhere else besides the LS domain if you feel that your just.
Anything that you do that draws attention or brings about a community of some kind or another, be it customers, or seakers of knowledge, or both, someone is going to have something bad to say about you. True or not.
To me, it’s like going into another companies lobby or boardroom and feeling the need to talk about it and defend yourself just because you read something bad about it in the paper. To be fair though, I will say that no, you haven’t quite gone that far yet. Just stated that you believe it’s your right. I’m not sure that it is, I think its your perogative to try, and Mharris perogative to let you, dispite being distasteful in my humble opinion.
Who cares? You can’t stop all trash talking. I’m not saying it is or isn’t trash, but to me it’s an admittance of guilt, if your coming here with it. Like maybe you have something to be worried about. Especially if a decent amount of people are talking about it. Or maybe regret over lack of tolerance or how quickly things were done without warning, even if you were right to do it. Whatever the case may be or percieved as.
Aside from it being inappropriate, being a stab at diplomacy, or to repair a few bridges, and save face on behalf of yourself or LS (atleast in my opinion) I question its appropriateness from the LS side of things too. Not just how it looks from this side. What do your peers and Bruce think of one of his mods posting on the AD boards about LS policies/circumstances surrounding bannings?
I know in my personal experience at LS, people were quite helpful. They were great, and I honestly felt alot of loyalty there until I was banned. But I did also see posts toward users like Catlord and others, where I felt there was a certain “elitism” mentality, and if you were seen a certain way, spoke about certain products or sites that were seen as schams (pherlure) or weren’t as well respected, or a senior poster, you were alot more readily discredited, ignored, or looked upon as more of a mone newbie.
One thing that also got me was, once something was talked about enough, some mods and sr posters with that mentality closed their minds down. Unwilling to accept or explore any new data about old, tried and true products.
I also was banned, I admittedly made a post that I shouldn’t of made, but it clearly violated no rules. It was classified as something it wasn’t, even though it was a fine line. I defended it respectfully but with just as fierce of a tone as you, without the name I was referred to as, and then banned. Every order I placed there was for $220 or more. I’m not rich, and i’m sure others drop that on mones every week, but I was loyal, and a repeat customer. I personally feel it wasn’t just in that circumstance inpaticular (i can’t speak for others) and even if I was wrong, shown lenience because it was a first offense, even though by definition, it was not in violation.
I just think you could of been more diplomatic there in general and in private messages, before things pop up other places you don’t like and then you feel you have to be diplomatic, or whatever this is.
But reguardless of the drama and my personal experience, I think LS is something great. I think they’ve got a some good products. But theres always room for improvement.
Kardz
Did you extend the same courtesy to others the same way? Before banning them?
I think we are discussing apples and oranges here. Did you ever read the rules thread posted? Does it describe conditions where a person will be banned without warning? Do you think that a user has some obligation to read something called forum rules? Can anybody appeal it to Bruce? I see a lot of “I didn’t want to” but nothing about “I talked to Bruce about it and he…”
But that is not what we were talking about, is it? We were talking about somebody saying something untrue about another, weren’t we? Let’s see…There is the accusation of censorship but I cite examples where what is claimed did not happen, that isn’t addressed. There’s the claim of unwritten rules but the rules are clearly posted for anybody to read. There are accusations of us reading people’s PMs. The way LS’s version of the forum works it would be impossible to do without major changes the user would see. We have never read a person’s PMs and never will despite the implied accusations made. PMs and emails have been forwarded to us but we have never read one otherwise. Perhaps a little more honesty here would help?
There are complaints about secrecy. That one I admit I am not willing to budge on. Anybody is free to assume anything they want about the relationship between the posted rules and why somebody was banned but I am not willing to put my butt out there in lawsuit happy America for anybody, much less for somebody that will go someplace else and call me names behind my back. It’s a courtesy to the person not to make negative public statements about them, a courtesy that was not extended to me. But it is also self preservation. It’s nice to say the law says this and that but the reality of huge legal bills to defend myself is still there.
I’m not sure where the delusion comes in that this forum, LS or any other forum is a free speech zone. None of them are and never will be. Every forum has rules of conduct that are enforced to some degree. But there is a difference between what is claimed about me and LS and the truth.
I’ll make the offer again: Anybody that feels like they have a legitimate complaint is free, welcome and invited to contact me. I will not talk about individual issues in public now or ever but will openly talk to anybody in a private conversation.
Well all I’ll have to say is that I’ve already contacted Belgarath and Bruce, and apparently Belgarath was not willing to “talk about individual issues in private conversation.” Bruce just said to talk to the forum moderators, so that didn’t help out.
Its funny I never had a response from the LS forums end, but then Belgarath comes creeping out of nowhere to try and cover things up with this. What is with all this secrecy? What could possibly be so bad that you would have to hide it, other than the fact that you banned someone. Which in itself isn’t a serious crime other than admitting alittle shame.
Re-read above.. I already attempted private conversation a long time ago which Belgarath has offered just now. That never took place, and it only seems “convenient” that it is being offered right now. Neither do I have any willingness to return to the LS forums. Its not a big deal; what happens has already been done.
Personally I’m already bored and this is a dead issue =)
Rob, Perhaps it was deleted but I have no record whatsoever of you contacting me. What method did you use? Not saying you didn’t, simply trying to figure out when.
I’m also not trying to win you back. I am disagreeing with what I believe are false accusations levelled at me.
Upon further review, deleted by poster I censored myself
one thing i find disturbing here is that everyone replying to Bel does so from the safety of another forum…unless it is important to you that you air dirty laundry, or vent, what would be the incentive to continue the conversation? i can understand why the different parties feel hurt/fear of being banned, but from the point of view of a nuetral woman standing by, it appears to be a gang-up because the atmosphere is safe to do so. we need to be examples of what it is we seek to have perpetuated, and as i reply to this thread i find myself in similar situations… what is MY incentive here? reason. i too may be banned from either forum, C’MON PEOPLE,READ MY REPLIES LOL! but that is the risk i take when i voice my opinion…in my own words…
Lor,
I hear what you’re saying. I just felt funny trying to post a reply to Bel on LS when the thread that started everything is over here. Probably the best thing to do would be for everyone to drop this thread as it’s not going to go anywhere positive or fix anything.
I agree…
one part of dismantling an argument is to humor that you in fact,are wrong,or atleast, at fault. its amazing how pliable that makes me to work with when i stop to think…hey… maybe its me! LOL! seriously , everyone drawn here is inherently brilliant. i get a kick out of every single one of the posters, and once in while i feel that twinge of “oh hell no,they did not just say that!” but thats what makes this fun. and hell knows thats what i live for… fun!