Great advice thank you. I am just of the mindset I should have a friend to go with to the club otherwise I will look like a loner. Plus if I bomb out it will be good to have someone to talk to, to help me recollect myself and try again. It all sounds good in theory I just need to get in the mindset that it would be good and get myself over there. Like I said I am not big on clubs, bars are better for me, I think a bar in a college city would be the best bet, again I gotta want to go out there right now it is the last and first thing on my mind, if that makes any sense lol.
Trust me, I understand completely. The hardest part of all of it is actually approaching a chick. However, you can turn into into more of a fun challenge. And if you approach in a group of women, always joke and tease with the OTHER women before getting into a convo with the one you’re really into. DHV!
As far as the stuff that I was talking about earlier with the social dynamics, here’s one for ya from Swingcat’s playbook… and believe it or not, this type of stuff works pretty damn well as long as you use it humorously..
*"Here’s an example of this I’ve used countless times. At some point while interacting with a woman I might take her hand and praise, “You have the most amazing smile I’ve seen tonight… It makes me feel so happy inside!” **She’ll usually respond with, “Thank you!”
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Then I’ll count the fingers on my other hand and say, “You know what: actually there were four other girls with really amazing smiles tonight as well. Out of them, you have the fourth best smile. I’m going to call you number four.” And then I’ll push away her hand.
More often than not, women demand, “Nooo! I want to be number one!” I’ll usually retort with, “Alright, I’ll promote you to number three for being feisty.”- Swingcat, Real World Seduction 2.0
ROFL!!! It actually works really well, too. At least it has for me. Don’t see why it can’t work for you either. Push-Pull, Cocky-Funny, Catch-Release-Catch… honestly I think they are FUN. My favorite has always been DESTROYING shit-tests. It always is an invite for witty rhetoric and a smartass comment from me, in my experience.
Man if I can get to the point where I can do this it will be amazing. I have been stuck in the shy nice guy motiff for too long, it is time to break the mold. That nice guy stuff can come later when it is needed, I need to lock them down with cocky-funny first lol.
I finally talked to Jillian and I have to say you were defnitely spot on right here. I laughed hysterically for a few minutes after talking to her because of how bat shit crazy she is. To make a long conversation short, she blamed the incident on the fact they were all drinking and not thinking clearly and was very apologetic. That being said she still is attempting to cut off all ties with me. I told her despite the cruel manipulative thing she did I still want to be her friend, and she seemed frustrated by that like she was hoping I would be pissed off and stop talking to her because it would be easier. Then she told me how when she talks to me and is with me she is a different person, I “suck her into my world” and she feels like she has to appeal to me, but it is not how she normally acts and as she claims her world is very different than mine. She also says I would not fit in her world amongst her friends. So basically the only thing I am guilty of is being so damn nice and appealing and it frustrates her because I am not her type and I am not “part of her world” and she finds her self drawn to me, so it would just be easier if she pissed me off and I never wanted to talk to her again, but being the nice forgiving guy that I am I wouldn’t do that. She is so pissed because I am saying all of the right things.
That being said I am going to have a fun time of it, now that I know I definitely didn’t do a damn thing wrong I feel 10 times better. So I plan on cutting off communication from her, and every once in a while popping back in to say hello just to sort of drive her crazy, like hey, remember me, the guy you find so appealing it frustrates you? While I do that I will keep playing the field. Now that I know my game is actually pretty good, considering I have a girl with conflicted feelings who can’t understand why I am so appealing when I am not her type at all. It should be interesting to say the least.
Now let me end my entry with an actual journal update.
Location:
New York City to see a show
Application
2 sprays ammo one on each side of neck
3 sprays of IS on front of neck
2 sprays of IH one on each wrist
Target:
None in particular I was just curious
Summary:
This will be short but sweet. So the other night I went to see a show in the city. I went with a group of people my sister works with, which is where we got the tickets. One of my sister’s work friends was there and sat next to me during the show, African American. Without really striking up any conversation she kept dropping things on the ground and turning around and apologizing to me as she climbed down on her hands and knees in my leg area to find whatever object she kept dropping. This happned 3 times. I did nothing about it I just found it funny that she was getting all flustered and didn’t really understand why.
Second hit, after the show there was a panel discussion. We moved to the front of the theater and I wound up sitting next to another one of her work friends, Kelly. She is white, with freckles, and very short, but very cute. So short that she was actually sitting in a booster seat lol. But I kept looking at her in the corner of my eye and saw her gaze kept lingering on me, then I would turn and she would quickly turn away. After the panel we all talked in a circle and I caught her staring at me on more than one occasion. It was late and everyone went home, but I have to say those were two blatant hits in a location I didn’t expect to get any, it was just a short good old fashion experiment to get me back in the mones game.
Conclusion
With this mixture I definiately felt I was giving off a very sexy and friendly vibe, and it flustered two girls, the African American more so I think, at least hers were more blatant. Kelly on the other hand was very subtle, but I was still able to catch onto it because I had been around her before at an amusement park, which I didn’t wear mones at because I got this Kelly confused with another kelly my sister is always talking about who is a lesbian. When I found out she was not a lesbian I was a bit miffed because I could have totally made the moves at the amusement park lol.
Last Thoughts
This mix defintely gave me the sexy friendly you can talk to me vibe, as expected considering the commercial mones do exactly what they claim to, especially when mixed.
Side Note
If anyone is interested to know what mones I have been wearing around Jillian here it is
2 sprays IJ on chest
2 sprays 20mcg P83 one on each side of neck
1 spray IH on wrist and rubbed together with other wrist
I have no idea if the mones are what is driving her crazy, or me, but I figured I would share at least. I wear it every time I see her in person.
ITNerd
NOW you’re talking! I’m feeling the confidence and machismo oozing from this post. Alpha it up, bro! Now that you can deal with that sort of crap with that attitude, finding a chick who actually knows what she wants will be a cakewalk compared to what it was only 2 months ago!
As for the show, good deal. I (and a lot of other people on the boards) have found that androstenone tends to have a stronger impact on african american and latina women. That would explain the chick being clumsy… she may very well have been aroused and fidgity 
Too bad ya hadn’t known about short chick, as that woulda been a good playful banter, I have a feeling.
KEEP IT UP MAN!!!
where ya been?
Dealing with a lot of personal issues with family and declining health. Not a pretty sight. I am going to be going out for a night in the city at a bar because a friend of mine has her art on display in it, a friend who happens to have just become single recently and I have always thought she was hott. Look forward to a full report after Friday night. Now what to use for my arsenal that night. I have a lot to think about.
Don’t let stuff get ya down man! Get out there and be a fun, craaaazy alpha BEAST!!!
Okay so bar night, last night. It was fun and I got drunk, but of course I didn’t leave home without my mones. I figured a bar in the city, even in the Bronx deserves some testing since I haven’t really done any in a while.
Introduction
Okay so I haven’t gotten a lot of opportunities to test out some combinations in a while with everything going on in life but finally had a really fun night out. I didn’t wind up in bed with someone, but I still had fun, and there are still plenty of hits to report. The location was a small Irish Pub in the bronx. It took me about 2 hours to get from home to the pub so I ended up bringing with me an altoid tin with to go bottles in case I needed a refresher. I decided I wanted to throw off a vibe of sexy and sophisticated but cool at the same time, and a big fat mystery MX just for shits and giggles.
**Application
2 sprays IG one on each side of neck
1 spray 20 mcg P83 on chest
2 sprays 2x IO one on each wrist rubbed together
Backup Mones in Altoid case
IO for a refresher
MX297
TUTH just in case lol
Story
**Okay so as I listed above I left my apartment about 2 hours before arriving at the bar so the mones I applied before I left was listed above. Once I got into the city and to the bar I had a couple of drinks, kind of took in my surroundings and decided to add in the mystery to the mix. I haven’t ever used MX297 and I have no idea what it does but I will describe everything that went down and try to make my conclusion based off of the results. But for the first two drinks I didn’t really get any hits at all, maybe the mones were weaker from traveling around the city to get to the bar, maybe it was taking a while to difuse. Whatevers. So I went into the bathroom and that is when I refreshed with 1 spray of IO and to go crazy 3 sprays of MX297 on my throat. Man did things change after that. So it was a small place, but you could totally get around without having to touch anybody, but let me tell you every single girl in that place when passing me had to touch me, and their touch lingered longer than needed. So I was getting lots of Kino, even from the Irish waitress who was cute, and had a nice accent to boot.
I was keeping my eye on her to see how she interacts with other people when passing them, and for the most part she didn’t touch anybody when passing by, but with me she kept placing her hand on my shoulders, and the back of my neck, and held it there the whole time as she passed by. She also kept talking to me about how much she loved my last name, which I will not say what it is, but she seemed to love it and commented on it all through the night every time I ordered another drink.
I got a lot of attention from my friend’s cousin, who was a guy. Not like sexual attention but almost like he wanted to be my best friend, and kept offering to buy me drinks while we talked about recent comic book movies we have seen and which were our favorites from this summer. He also kept sharing lots of stories from when he was in college, almost as if he was trying to impress me. He ended up spilling his beer on himself, and smelled like beer and he was not happy, so I helped him out a bit, and thought it would be a fun experiment. I sprayed him with my TUTH to go bottle just to help him out, and after that he sort of disappeared. I didn’t tell him what it was just that it was cologne lol. Last I saw him talking with a girl, he lived near the bar so I can only imagine he had some luck as I didn’t see him for the rest of the night. I will have to talk to him and ask him about it later it will be interesting to hear from him without him knowing what I sprayed him with lol.
My one friend who we were there to celebrate for had recently broke up with her long term boyfriend of several years so I thought I would try my luck on her. I was quickly shot down because something came up in conversation about me being the only straight single guy there that wasn’t related to her, and she mentioned it would be like hooking up with a brother so I let it go lol. There was however her roommate from college there, she also just recently broke up with her boyfriend and was complaining about not getting any. I wasn’t really in the mood to flirt but I have always found her cute but she always had that boyfriend as long as I knew her. So I spent the first half of the night talking to her, and I was getting all kinds of flirtations and IoI she was using a lot of hand gestures when talking to me, which tended to be reminiscent of an air traffic controller as if she was trying to get my attention with every word. She also flipped her hair around a lot**. **We seemed to be getting along great, and everytime she walked passed me as with most girls that night hands on my shoulders, back of my neck, lingering and unnecessary all at the same time.
Another indication, my friend’s cousin whom I gave the TUTH to was also talking with us and offered to get us both drinks, I declined and she declined saying she didn’t want one cause she needed like 5 minutes between drinks. So he disappeared then I finished my drink and decided to get another, and offered to get her one, she said yes! So I did. So yeah I think things could have gone well with her, but unfortunately she had a bit of a crisis at home and had to leave immediately after that. She was really upset and crying so I can only imagine it was bad. Later today I sent her a message online saying it was nice to see her and I hope everything is okay. We shall see if anything comes of it. I got really drunk after that, but I still remember everything, and I got really talkative. I was with a group of gay guys and I started bitching about Jillian being a cunt at some point because all of the girls were no longer around us and with the alcohol in my system I spoke what was on my mind naturally. Despite me being so angry at her, I still want and miss her. Haven’t talked to her in over a week which is rare for us. But she is the one who demanded we take a break even though we weren’t dating, for a few months or however long it takes her to realize she misses me. Enough about her though she just depresses me.
Conclusion
With what I was wearing I got a lot of unforced kino from practically every girl in the bar including the waitress. My friends were the most guilty because they not only used kino, but I am talking arms wrapped around hanging off of me kino and they don’t usually do that with me. It is a bit up in the air but MX297 seems to make girls very physical. It could have been helped along with the P83 and IG as well but I have worn those together before and never got so much as one instance of kino. I like to point out that one of my friends, one of the gay men, at one point even said to the table. Why do people keep touching you so much? So if someone on the outside can notice increase in kino you can tell how blatant it really was. Needless to say I am convinced MX297 is amazing. Imagine what could have happened if I was actually trying harder. I wasn’t trying to attract anyone I was just chilling and being myself because I had a lot on my mind, but that didn’t seem to deter anyone. I will have to use MX297 alone at some point because I have to know exactly what it is capable of because so far I love it.
ITNerd
MX297 has been described by a lot of people as a rock star/celeb. sorta mix. It seems to give off the vibe of a socialite who everyone wants to be friends with… almost like a Social counterpart to A314. Mixed with p83 that could have some very good effects since a lot of people say p83 makes people more touch feely. xD
I guess that would explain the kino I was getting then. I can see that being what MX297 was doing last night. Who doesn’t want to date a rockstar/celebrity lol.
I totally called it, only one week after Jillian cut me out of her life for what she said would be months, she contacted me. Said she was someplace that made her think of me, that place happened to be the first place we ever met, which happened to be the place we had our first date. See I am awesome lol.
TUTH Followup
Okay well in my last report I mentioned I had sprayed some TUTH on a friend of mine at the bar because he had spillt beer on him and it smelled. Then after that he disappeared. Well I finally did a followup with him, guess who got extremely lucky that night. I cannot go into detail because that would not be right, but long story short, this girl he had been trying to pick up for a long time who frequents the bar we were at. She never showed any interest in him until last night. She coudln’t explain it she just found him increddibly attractive and just had to go home with him. Now this could very well be a guy boasting about his conquests as guys often do, but the truth still remains he has no idea I sprayed him with a phero cologne. I am not sure if I should tell him or let him have the moment. I think I will let him have his moment and not say anything about the TUTH phero I dosed him with, as far as he is concerned it was all him!
ITNerd
Nonsense! Mones don’t work 
Okay so tonight is the night. I thought I would be a bit more nervous but I am feeling really confident right now that this is going to go very well. But much like she is probably thinking about the perfect outfit to wear to impress me, I have a great outfit already planned out, what I am trying to finalize is my mone signature. I have been testing them out for a while but only on the same girl and that didn’t end too well so now I have to sort of go back to the drawing board. So I figured I would submit my thinking process that goes into creating a proper mix for the goal I hope to achieve.
Goal
End game goal, basically I want this date to go well. I want her to be left with fluttering butterfly feelings and I want to linger in her mind even after I have long since left for the night.
Mixture
Okay so to start out with a definite yes is P83. I want to enhance her crush like feeling and make her more touchy feely as I have experienced when using this product so that is definitely in the mix. This added to my natural charm will be a powerful combination.
Second I have had great success with A1 in the past and it created a sort of crush effect but one that lingered in her mind even after I wasn’t around anymore. I am a bit skeptical to use this on a first date though as I haven’t really spent much face time with this girl and want to make sure it gives off the right effect, where it seemed to work on the last girl I am not sure if it will work as well on this girl, or better even who knows. I think this time round I am going to leave it home and hope my natural charm and the mix I do use will be enough to score that second date that seems to have alluded me for so long lately with past girls. So A1 is a no-go this time round.
Okay so real second choice, IH. That mone has never let me down. The goal is to connect to her on a deeper level and make her feel this which will ultimately contribute to her attraction toward me. From what I know about this girl is she is very intelligent, and well spoken and loves to have deep conversations about all kinds of things in life. So in this instance IH is a must!
Okay so here is the debate. I am not sure if I will get any feedback on this before the date but I figured I would give it a shot. She has blatantly said confidence is sexy to me and she seems to think I am a fairly confident guy already. Just in case the nervousness kicks in last minute I don’t want to come off that way in front of her. So I am torn between wearing IG and Ammo. I know IG is a cool calm confident vibe that can be construed as sexy in the eyes of some women. I have also experienced adverse effects in that it makes a girl feel like you are a really good friend and not at all romantic. That is not what I want so that is why I am thinking ammo. It should give off the confidence vibe but also a very sexy vibe as well. I do not know how a sexy vibe will come across with this girl, she might think I am a horn dog. I guess I could also go with A314 that is also a possibility. Any suggestions will be much appreciated but if I hear nothing I am sure I will figure it out on my own or by reading other posts in the forum which I plan to do right after this.
So in conclusion the tentative mixture for the night P83, IH, coupled with either Ammo, A314, or IG. I will keep you posted with the detailed results later this weekend hopefully!
ITNerd
I’d say go with ammo.
It’s a equal mix of Rone, None, and Nol’s, and it says ‘sexy guy’, not ‘sex fiend’ like tuth would… lol.
Plus most chicks seem to drool over the scent
That is what I was leaning toward myself, thanks for your input as your advice is always highly valued because you haven’t steered me wrong yet!
Soooooooooooooooooo… how did it go???
Where ya been?
Hey sorry, been a really busy weekend and I didn’t want to have to half ass my report as I wanted to cover it in detail and give it a proper report. Okay so as you know Friday night I had a date with a new girl, first dates are always tricky. Through much debate I settled on this mix for the evening.
**Mix
2 sprays ammo, one on each side of neck
2 sprays p83 20mcg on throat
6 sprays of Instant Honesty, one on each forearm, wrist, and hand
The Date
**Okay so I met her at this Irish pub where we decided would be a good place to get a drink, and there is also a live band there on Friday nights with a dance floor so that would be fun as well. First thing she did when she saw me for the first time, big hug good way to start out I suppose guess she was really happy to see me, or the P83 was already making her touchy feely in the instant she was exposed to it. So right off the bat IoI were profound. One thing I did was immediately I started to playfully tease her as she is very short and when we came face to face she said, OMG I am so short. While seated at the restaurant I asked her if she needed a booster seat, she laughed and punched me playfully. She was laughing at every lame joke I could think of, I was testing her you see, no one in their right mind should find them funny. Another IoI I was hungry cause I hadn’t eaten anything all day, but she opted not to eat. I hear a lot of the time a girl will not eat or eat very little on a date if she likes a guy because she doesn’t want him to think she is a pig I guess. I couldn’t go without food though so I got some fish and chips and offered to share some of it with her if she wanted. She had a couple, but then felt like getting her own side order of fries so I guess she got more comfortable with me rather quickly or she realized she really was hungry and since I was eating she should have no problem eating as well.
She kept saying how loud it was in the bar and how she should move closer to me. I had this exact same reaction to the P83 with Jillian on a not a date we had a while back. Jillian turned out to be a crazy bitch who didn’t know what she wanted though so I don’t if it is a good thing or not by comparison. We talked a lot, which was awesome, the conversation was deep and meaningful thanks to my friend IH. I also got several, I don’t know why I told you that, or how she phrased it, I don’t know why I just thought of that but I did. The whole time I was cool, calm, and collected, very confident. I was like a whole other person than what I usually am on a first date, a nervous mess of a man who never gets a second date. Sure the mones help me feel confident, but the truth is I was also being very congruent with it because I really felt confident that this date would go well and you know what? It totally did.
So the live band sort of didn’t show up for some reason, but they had a DJ playing 80s music, always a plus as 80s music has a good beat to dance to. Now I do not dance at all, in fact before this date I had never gone dancing before, but she seemed excited about it so I felt like I had to at least try. After getting one last drink in me I jumped on the dance floor and strut my stuff. By this point the kino exploded. Even before we started dancing she told me she was losing her voice from talking so loudly so she would have to talk into my ear so I can hear her. Is it practical, yes, but it also gave her plenty of excuses to touch me on the shoulder as she leaned in to talk in my ear. And every time she did this I almost always accidentally brushed up against her breasts, then I realized I wasn’t accidentally brushing up I am pretty sure she was purposely brushing her breasts up against me. Then when we got to dancing we started dancing apart and grew closer and closer together. I am still not sure if I was moving into her or if she was moving into me as I was kind of just caught up in the moment. Perhaps it was a little of both I am not sure.
Eventually I had my arms around her waist, and she had her arms around my neck and our lower regions were just all kinds of touching, sexy kino, grinding whatever you want to call it lol. And man could she move those hips I can understand why people attribute dancing to sex now because I was super turned on after that but tried to maintain my cool, calm, and collective demeanor. Then suddenly she grabbed my hand and pulled me out of the dance floor into the restaurant area where she informed me she had to go to the bathroom. So I waited for her, and when she got back she immediately wrapped her arm around my shoulder and I grabbed the small of her back and we were leaning up against a table with our heads resting upon one another. She then informs me she is really tired because she had been up since 7 and wasn’t used to being out so late dancing. I had a moment of dread as I have heard women often use the tired card to end a date they want to get out of because it is not going well. She then reassured me by saying, but I don’t really want to go because I am having such a good time, you are amazing.
Nice! So I told her as much as I enjoyed her company it wouldn’t be much fun if you were half asleep so while grabbing to small of her back I guided her outside to the parking lot. She was going to call her brother for a ride, as she doesn’t have a car, I told her I would take her home. She asked me if that was really okay and of course I said it was fine. So I drove her home, parked the car, and walked her to the door. She was looking at me, I was looking at her, then she told me, when can I see you again, this was so much fun! Calmly I told her, I guess when our schedules allow us to. I then grabbed the back of her head and kissed her on the lips. No tongue as I was playing the part of the gentleman all night and wanted to keep it up. She seemed very receptive as she said good night and the phrase, “you have my number, you better call or text me!” I just smiled and walked away saying good night, see you later!
So I got home, and I waited until Sunday to contact her again because I wanted to see if she would buckle first. So I did so, then we made plans to go out again tomorrow night. So yeah that is my report.
Conclusion
The mones did everything I wanted them to do, and most importantly I was congruent with them. I had developed a really good rapport early on as I would playfully tease her about little things but nothing to profound. Needless to say she seemed into it as well. The IH was definitely making the conversation deep and meaningful, at least she seemed like it. The P83 I think was inducing the crush effect and the touchy feely clingy effect I have seen it do before, but this was by far the most profound hits I had ever seen in my entire time using it. Was it the mones, was it me just being awesome, who knows for sure, but I know if I didn’t have them it probably wouldn’t have gone as well as it did. The Ammo definitely did its part as well reinforcing my confidence and projecting a sexy image that she was clearly receptive to.
I have never gone on a first date that actually went well so the only difference from those other ones and this one was I started with the right mix of mones and was congruent with them, and all of the advice I got from these forums about my game and everything was also very helpful. I guess I couldn’t have done it without you, thanks AD for the mones, and thanks community for the aid and advice! Here’s to hoping for a third date, and maybe some sexy stuff down the line if I am so lucky! The rest of the weekend I also was wearing mones but will write separate reports a little later on as I am at work now and don’t want to spend too much time online when I should be working!
ITNerd