ITNerd799's Excellent Adventure From Friend to Oh Baby!

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Journals
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Okay so I am going to start my own journal to talk about my own experiences as that seems like the cool thing to do. So let me lay it down right now.

My Arsenal
a314
tuth
IH
IG
IO
IS
Ammo
p83

Mission: To Escape the Friend Zone

Target: Jillian

Background

You know the story all to well. Boy meets girl, goes out on two dates, girl decides she really likes boy but as a friend, friend zoned, but still only newly placed there, so there is still hope, there has to be. Girl was away at school for most of the time Boy has known her, spent countless hours video chatting and texting while they were apart, very intimate details from two people who do not like to share intimate details of their life with anyone, definite connection. Now that she is back home she wants to hang out in person more often. The foundation is there, but the boy probably alienated the girl by coming on too strong, being too nice, and appearing needy and weak. During this process the boy comes across a website that sells mones and he decides he will do what it takes to achieve his goal. He already has an in with her as she really wants to spend time with him and talk to him on a regular basis.

Present Day

So I decided to make some life changes, get my own place, building my confidence and self esteem and so far I have to say I am feeling pretty good, though that might be the a314 lol. Now that Jillian is back from school we are going to be “hanging out” which involves going to a dinner and a movie, which was the exact thing we did on our last date when I was officially friend zoned. Like I said it hasn’t been too long since I have been put in it so I am hoping there is still some damage control I can do. I am taking a new approach. I made this huge life changing decision to move out as the perfect catalyst to explain my sudden change in personality and demenor as an attempt to reel her in, mind you it was not specifically for the girl as I really think I needed it to build my confidence, especially since there is nothing sexier than saying, “hey baby, come back to my twin bed to spend the night, you might see my entire family in the process but I swear the walls are thick enough that they won’t hear…”

Anyway, so I have decided to fully embrace being her friend. I am going to bring up at dinner how it is so weird how we started out dating but turned into such good friends, I think it was the best decision we could have made. I know it sounds dangerous but it is part of the master plan. See I think this girl really does like me to an extent, but I made my self so available and put her up on such a high pedestal that she probably lost interest in me as a potential boyfriend. I have experienced all of the major signs of friend zone like her unloading her emotional baggage about boys and what not. Also when we video chatted she was showing clear signs of IOI’s like playing with her hair, exposing her neck, smiling and laughing at all of my awful attempts at humor. The good thing is it does give me an in on what she is going through. She told me that she intends on focusing on finding a job and not looking for a boyfriend. There are no potential boys on the horizon so I am going to take that time to milk the friendship connection we have established by being there for her, to an extent, but maintaining that I have a life and will be pretty busy especially with the big move and finding ways to pay the bills so I can not be at her beck and call and used as an emotional sponge. This will show her that I am a good potential match and that with her she can find security and comfort and also that I am strong and independent, which she can attribute to the big life changes I am going through which will hopefully set off that spark of interest I know is deep within her that I am looking for.

In the work place we have several new hires of attractive females that I am going to utilize my charm and mones on. I will then take this information and bring it to her asking for her advice. She will happily give it but underneath I am sure she will be feeling the burn of jealousy, and her desires will be coming to the surface because it is a cliche but girls want what they can’t have, and this will eliminate me from being a safe option in the side she knows is there but never pursues. During this process I will be using the mones to help edge her into this frame of mind.

Don’t get me wrong, I am not trying to be underhanded, I really like the girl and I want her to like me as much as I like her. I just think I messed up like I usually do in the beginning and I am hoping that changing things around will help salvage the damage I have done.

Future Plans

So next week I will be taking her out to celebrate her graduation, dinner and a movie. First two dates I didn’t pay for her, being that this isn’t really a date I am going to use the excuse that we are celebrating her graduation so she is not allowed to pay for anything. It will show that I want to pay for her, but also that it doesn’t necessarily mean it is a date. It will leave her guessing and dealing with the emotions my charm, personality, and mones are generating in her mind.

Planned Mixture

p83
ammo
IH
IG

This is what I am planning on using, I am always open for advice, but if I get none this is what I am going for. Like I said the date isn’t this week. When it comes around, which is Next Thursday, I will let you know what happens. Until we meet again farewell.

ITNerd799

Questions about p83
I hath returned! What's New?
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Good luck! Sounds like you’ve got your head in the game enough to accomplish this :smiley:

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I know, it might be the self effecting mones coupled with my big move to the bachelor life but I am more confident then I have ever been and it is kind of crazy to think about lol.

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Good luck on your Mission. I for one am also in the midst of trying to win a lady’s heart (18 years age difference) and P83 will help get you there. I saw your other thread on P83 and I highly recommend P83 at 30 mcg dose.

I’ve been a heavy P83 user and my target appears to have a crush on me now to the extent of breaking up with her live in BF and really just hanging around me a lot. See my journal The Mojo Recovery Project for details.

I’m pullin for you!

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Change of plans. So Jillian texted me to let me know that she can not hang out on Thursday…she was wondering if we could hang earlier in the week instead. I would say that is a positive thing, she rescheduled to an earlier date, she didn’t cancel so I take it to mean she is that much more eager to see me sooner lol. A little fun tidbit, I told her, had I known you were so eager to see me even sooner I would have gladly moved the date up to an earlier date and she didn’t need to make up an excuse just to see me. To which she joked about moving it up to the weekend instead then. I told her I am pretty busy this weekend with moving furniture to my new apartment but I might be able to squeeze her in. She said she didn’t need to be squeezed in it was okay. I would say that was a successful attempt at garnering her interest through my scarcity approach, I just started the plan today and already it seems positive lol.

So we started talking in an IM so I decided to sort of start planting the seeds for my master plan. I told her that there are a lot of young hott new teachers interviewing to replace the retiring elementary teachers for next school year and that I was in the process of attempting to flirt with them. So I told her a really cheesy opening line that I said I was using on them to introduce myself as if I thought it was pure gold. She first was nice then started mocking me, to which I confronted her about it and asked her why she was mocking me and that she was an evil woman for doing so. If you think the line is so bad what advice would you give me? Here is where I am not sure if this was a good thing or not. She started typing rapid fire all of this advice on what I should do to make a really awesome first impression, and it was all REALLY GOOD advice, golden even.

Part of me is curious if this is a bad sign because she was so eager to share such good advice one would think she wanted me to succeed in my conquest. The other part thinks she could have been keeping up appearances as to not show any sign of jealousy or to purposely sabotage me with bad advice so she made sure it was really good advice. Maybe she thinks even with the advice with the way that I am I can not succeed in my conquest. We kept talking more and more and she mentioned something about a stupid line that worked on her so I asked her what it was naturally and she basically yelled at me saying it was private and I was not allowed to make fun of her or him even though it was all over. So I decided to flip out on her for jumping down my throat for asking a simple question and really tore into her about how frustrating it was that she brought it up knowing full well I would ask about it and it pissed me off that she would even mention it if she was not keen on sharing. We got into a bit of a spat and closed out of the chat really fast saying she was really tired.

Ten minutes later she texted me apologizing to me for being so moody and a big bitch and that she hopes I am okay. I waited about 5 minutes then texted back that I accepted her apology. She immediately texted back telling me have a good night and good luck with my sexy ladies tomorrow.

Again not sure if that is a good thing that she is encouraging me to pursue “sexy ladies” my goal is to avoid talking to her for a while now so she thinks I am still upset over the spat so she will eventually feel compelled to text me to make sure I am okay, which totally turns the tables around how it usually is between us when we get into a spat, usually I am the one who apologizes and makes an attempt to text her to see if she is okay. When she finally contacts me I will talk to her as I normally do but will not say anything about my “sexy ladies” until she asks about it herself. If she brings it up I know that she is really interested to know how it all went, which again is still hard to gauge whether it is a good thing or a bad thing. My goal is to not have to talk about it until I am face to face with her on Tuesday and I have my mones to back me up to which I will tell her I have had some success, like I got a phone number and gauge her reactions.

I know this isn’t really an update about the mones but I am documenting the whole process because me or someone else might benefit from it later if I wind up successfully completing my mission. Tuesday is the night! Stay tuned!

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Wow that sounds amazing that you have had that much success so far, I will have to check it out. I don’t know if I will be able to get the 30 mcg dose by Tuesday so I will have to make do with my 2.5 mcg even if it means putting a few extra sprays on to make it more potent.

Thanks for the vote of confidence I hope you succeed as well!

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On second thought nevermind I ordered the new bottle at the higher dose and they are already shipping it out so I guess I can get the higher dose before Tuesday night after all, way to go guys, that is efficiency!

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You are experiencing GREAT customer service from Androtics. I have never dealt with a company that has this level of service before.

It may be too late for Tuesday but should things turn out promising, I recommend you check out K-Train’s Obsessed mix. This is the one that got her into me more than any other mix.

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IT, so glad you started this journal. :slight_smile:

Looking forward to more from it!

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Thanks Pepot69 that does look interesting, I don’t know if I am quite at the stage of actually mixing my own mixes, I plan on doing some thorough experiments over time with Jillian to see if mones plus my natural charm can get me out of the friend zone. I am pretty confident I can do it, even without the mones, but I like the confidence boost I get knowing the mones could be helping me out. I don’t intend for it to work overnight so it should be interesting.

Thanks John Sebastian I am looking forward to sharing my experiences with you all. I am so anxious to try it out on Tuesday. Like I said I am not big on going out on a nightly basis so my experiments might be separated over long periods of time, I have a specific target in mind, the goal is LTR. Even if I fail in my pursuits I think this journal will be a valuable tool for the next time a girl comes around, I will be ready! I am ready to jump head first, big life changes, I am going for big personality shifts as well trying to get away from being the overly too nice pushover that girls tend not to like so much. I have to find that balance of nice and naughty and right here is where it starts! We are exactly at the 48 hour mark!

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Okay here it goes. So today was the day I finally met up with Jillian. You all know the story so I will just jump into the details.

Okay we met up at the movie theater. I was rocking my really nice duds and my mone mix was as follows.

2.5 mcg p83 4 sprays, 2 on each side of neck
IS 2 sprays on throat
IG 2 sprays on back of neck
IH 2 sprays, one on each wrist and rubbed together
Ammo 1 spray to the chest

I didn’t get the higher mcg count in the mail as I had hoped, but I think this was a good start nonetheless.

Okay so she was wearing a T-shirt, capri pants, and flip flops, very light makeup barely visible if I even saw this correctly. As I said she has stuck me in the friends zone so this was not unexpected. Granted she is a t-shirt and jeans kind of girl but first two times we met up that were actually dates she was dressed much nicer and had on makeup. This wasn’t an official date, but the goal was to make it a sneak attack date anyways. She did not greet me with a hug, but we usually hug goodbye not hello so not unexpected. She jumped up to the counter to buy her own ticket before I could even blink as if she was being preemptive so I wouldn’t buy her ticket for her, a bit unsettling. In our first meeting in months she was acting weird and uncomfortable and barely talked before we got into the movie. Things changed though. Being next to each other the whole movie I was watching her in the corner of my eye.

First she started leaning to the opposite side I was on and crossing her legs so her toe pointed away from me, and she had her arms crossed. As the movie progressed she shifted more towards me and crossed her legs so her toe pointed toward me. Her arm was much closer to the armrest but she still refused to use it, don’t know if she just doesn’t like arm rests or if she was avoiding touching me accidentally. I wanted to do a few “accidental” elbow rubs but I didn’t want to lean into her space to do it because then it would be less accidental. Also her arms were uncrossed and her fingers were fidgeting nervously when they weren’t at all before this.

First I was going to chalk both off to her just adjusting herself to be more comfortable, but she maintained the leg crossed and the fidgeting fingers for the entire movie nonestop. I am not sure if these were hits as it is the first time I was testing mones on her, and it is hard to gather hits when people don’t talk or face you at all.

After the movie her whole demeanor changed. First off she was much more playful in her tone of voice and sounded happy to be talking to me unlike when we first met in the parking lot. She asked me if I was ready to eat and I said of course, I guess I will meet you over there since the restaurant was in the same parking lot but much further away. She said "oh, we are going to take separate cars? okay. I corrected myself with reluctance in my voice as if to sound like it wasn’t a big deal and offered to drive her over in my car to which she happily agreed.

An important note our second real date we went to dinner in a restaurant in the same parking lot and afterward went to the same movie theater to see a movie. On that date she did not ask if we should take the same car over, instead she just told me to meet her over at the movie theater and she jumped in her car. I am not sure if the car thing indicates anything to do with the mones, but I would like to think it did.

Smooth part here, on the passenger seat I had left the gift bag with her graduation gift in it. Resting on top of the bag was a single red rose that I had bought her. She seemed surprised and excited about the rose, telling me I didn’t have to get it for her, but I said I wanted to get her something nice and she said her favorite flower were roses showing that I listen and
also that I wanted to get her something pretty because she is pretty.

We get to the restaurant and they seat just the two of us in a booth for like 6 people. We both sat on opposite ends and she immediately said “I feel like we are so far away, maybe I should move closer.” I told her she could if she wanted to I didn’t care either way. She didn’t move. We started looking at the menu and I said I wasn’t sure what I wanted. She then pointed to the back of the menu. “We can be really lame and get the dinner for two special and share!”

Her words sounded intriguing so of course I agreed. Not sure if it was really an IOI but they way she said it made me think it might have been so I rolled with it. Again during the dinner she made reference that we were sitting way too far away. Interesting, I was ready to comply and move in but I decided to play along with it and wait it out to see if she would make another reference to it. Finally it was time for dessert. She said we should each get something different so I got something different then she got. Again she made reference to the fact that it would be easier to share desserts if we were closer together. I finally moved in with my dessert so I was sitting right next to her in the booth.

She wasn’t throwing off non stop IOI’s but toward the end of the dinner she really was especially once I was right next to her. Leaning forward, toes pointed toward me, smiling and and laughing at everything, and also playing with her hair a lot in the end. She then asked me about the teacher who’s number I got. Again not sure if she brought it up out of jealousy or she genuinely wanted to know to see if I was successful. I told her about the failure and then she apologized because I only had the failure because I followed her advice so she felt responsible. Guilt over giving me girl advice? Interesting not sure what it meant.

Then the check came, I grabbed it and said it was my treat, she said she felt bad and I didn’t have to but thanked me anyway. Then she asked what the waiter’s name was. I told her the waiter’s name and spehe commented on how he was really cute, to which I replied he wasn’t really my type. Not sure if she was trying to get some jealousy out of me with the comment or if she was just making conversation. So we left shortly afterward and got back in my car, and she commented on how she couldn’t believe I got her a flower and paid for dinner. I said I was sorry if she didn’t like the flower, she said it was beautiful and she did like it, it was very sweet of me.

Back to the movie theater parking lot I parked my car far away from hers claiming I didn’t want to just stop in the middle of the parking lot and anger people, but that I would walk her to her car. She stumbled and I made fun of her for not being able to keep her balance and then went on to warn her every time a crack was in the parking lot so she wouldn’t lose her balance and fall. Once we got to the car she quickly put her flower and gift bag in the car and turned back toward me. I am pretty sure she wasn’t quite ready for a big kiss so I went in for the big hug, which lasted about 4 seconds. I thought this was pretty big because she is not big on hugging anyone, so a 4 second hug is a pretty big deal for her. I gave her a gentle arm rub as I broke from the hug and told her I had a great time and we should do it again soon and she said she had fun and we should.

Conclusion. For a first trial I think it went pretty well. I didn’t expect her to jump my bone over night but it seems like toward the end she was definitely throwing off some IOI’s. I am curious to try the higher dose p83 when I get it and the next time I see her. Not sure when that will be though, hopefully sometime next week but I didn’t make any plans officially. The idea is to not text or message her until a few days or until she hits me up first. The idea is to lead her wondering if we just had a date and if she felt anything about me because of it. I do not want to taint it like I did last time and say I had a really great time and can’t wait to see you again, I think that was a moment of weakness that she didn’t approve of which is why we never went on a third date. Unless you count this one lol.

Well any suggestions on mone mixes and anything else that you think will help me let me know I am open to suggestions! Thanks for taking the time to read. I have this strange fear that if she or someone she knows reads these boards I probably gave off way too much information and she would be pissed that I was trying to use mones to get her, I hope that is not the case otherwise Jillian is going to be pissed lol.

ITNerd

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Sounds like you did a great job. You had perfect expectations for the date & you met them. Next time kick it up slightly with some TUTH at the halfway point of the date? :wink:

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What type of movie did you guys look at this time, and what type of movie did you look at the last time? I’ve noticed that if I show chick-flicks, I’d usually get a better response on a date than if it is an action film.

I noticed she seemed to be more ‘closer’ with you. Did you also feel more connected with her or felt her vibe better?

It is also worth noting that you bought her a rose and paid for the dinner.

When doing pheromone experiments, the least interferances with other variables is better so you can test out the results of the mones.

Now, I don’t know if she was being nice with you at the moment because she’d feel bad that you went out of your way and expense to give her a rose and pay for the dinner, or if these were genuine IOI’s. On some level, she’d have to be a real spoiled brat not to make you feel good, even if she’s not truely into you, after you gave her the rose and the time setting up this date.

It’s also worth noting that you have been apart for a considerable time, and for her to agree to see you again for this date has to show some interest on her part also. I think she would be as invested as you would be to make sure this hang-out went somewhat nice.

I’m just thowing those things on there. Next time, try to keep the experiments similar to when you are not using pheromones. (i.e. same type of movie, same order of date (i.e. dinner first than movie, etc…), don’t buy a rose, etc…) then you know the pheromones really works without doing all that stuff, or how it is contributing.

That being said, the only credit I can attribute to pheromones is it represents a personal commitment to give this your all to have seen this particular date go smoothly and nicely and that may be placebo. To use a pheromone is humbling because you have to admit on some level can’t do it yourself, that you really value how women treat you down to the “t”, and need an outside product for help, but in that represents a commitment to do everything for success. If you studied a dating book, or did something else you thought would magically make this evening and psyched yourself up to it, you may also have similar results.

I’ve noticed that this girl asked you to sit beside her three times on a dinner when you sat away from her. The other two times (apart from the first time she asked) and the length of time for that hug, if it is outside of her normal comfort zone, may be influenced by the pheromones. Beyond that I’m not totally sold her other “interest” was influenced by the movie, or something else you did.

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First time when we went to the movie theater we both decided there was nothing we really wanted to see so we spent the amount of time a movie would have been sitting in the car talking to each other for a few hours. The second time I gave her a list of movies I would be interested in seeing, and she picked the one movie I did not list and asked if we could see that, it was a chick flick. I agreed to that of course, it has been out for a while though so there were only three showings for the entire day, because of this we switched the plans from 7 pm dinner and a movie after to 4:40 movie, and a dinner after.

I did feel a connection and a good vibe, but that is not a good thing to go on because I felt that way the first time I went out with her, and she clearly didn’t feel the same, which is why after two dates she said we should be friends. Things since the last date and this “hanging out” we did yesterday have been pretty good. We pretty much talk on a regular basis whether through texts or IMs, neither of us are a fan of talking to people on the phone so that is our preferred method of communication, or skype video chat which we haven’t done since she got home from school, but we used to do it every weekend for 3-6 hours, sometimes multiple 3-6 hour conversations in one weekend. So I can’t help but feel we both have a connection, what kind of connection we have is what I am trying to figure out. Is it romantic or just best friends? Only time will tell.

I think in the beginning I came on too strong, which is a flaw I have, might have been too much for her, that is why I have created a new approach. I am sure I could possibly do it all without mones at all but since I have them I figured they will help enhance my natural Charm. I am pretty shy and nervous around girls usually, some of these mixes though keep me calm, it might very well be a placebo effect I don’t know for sure but I can’t help but feel like it won’t exactly hurt my chances to use mones, it might not even help my chances, but I figured why not give it a shot.

I haven’t talked to her since last night, part of the plan really I didn’t want to come on too strong again so I figured a day or two then I will talk to her again, or if she talks to me first even better. Like I said she stuck me in the friends zone but I can’t help but feel like there is more to it than that, so I am going to keep exploring the possibility for more between us. I guess the real test will see how soon we get together again, and what we decide to do next time, also if she maintains her single status over time. I don’t know if the mones helped or if it was something I did or if she was just being nice for the sake of being nice. I will just keep trying and keep you all posted! Who knows what the future may or may not hold.

ITNerd

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To give you an idea of our text conversations. Last one we had started at about 4:20 PM and our texts back and forth were pretty consistent except for the 10 minutes she was driving in her car and couldn’t respond. The texts were spread usually 3-8 minutes apart, and it went all the way to 12:15 am. Stuff like this coupled with her wanting to still see me and hang out with me, and also the long skype cam chats we had while she was up at school make me feel like there is a chance there could be more than this. In past experiences girls who have no interest in me usually send a few texts back and forth and trail off or abruptly end saying they have to go somewhere.

She never says she has to go somewhere, in fact she was texting me the entire time she was hanging out with her other friends. One night we were texting and she even said she was already in bed and ready to pass out so if she suddenly stops texting it is because she fell asleep, then she continued the conversation a bit before it just ended without any goodbyes, she did pass out. The fact that she felt the need to keep texting with me despite her being tired instead of just saying I am going to bed night speaks volumes. At least I think so. I don’t know maybe I read too much into things but it seems relatively positive so that is why I am not trying to jump her bone immediately but ease my way into her life and heart. It might be the wrong approach and there might come a time when I decide to just go for it, but til then I will do my best.

Obviously through text messages mones cannot be used at all so this is an example of why I think I could do it without mones, but I figured why not try, besides girls really seem to love the scene of the mones when I wear it. I get all kinds of comments that I smell really good and clean but it is not at all overpowering, hell I like the smell too lol.

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Fun Side Story that has nothing to do with Jillian.

So I was really excited when I was awoken this morning by the Fed Ex guy at the door with my 20 mcg p83. Too bad he wasn’t there yesterday morning or I could have used the higher dose version on my target. Anyway I was excited so I decided to give it a whirl for fun. 1 spray on each side of my neck for a total of 2, which adds up to 40 mcg. I also decided to enhance it with a little a314, 1 drop on each wrist, and one on my throat. I figured this would intimidate the younger girls so I wouldn’t have any incidents lol. I then covered my forearms with 2 sprays of ih and io and I went to work. I work at a school as I have said before, there hasn’t been too many crazy hits at the school which is to be expected as it is a school after all. So lunchtime came around and I had a craving for some Taco Bell so I headed over there. I arrived at the same time as three young girls, I realized in the line that one of the girls had a lanyard from the school that I worked at, so that means she is a senior as our seniors are allowed to have early dismissal if they take it at the start of the year.

So I held the door open for them and got my food. I scanned the room which wasn’t really full but there seemed to be more people on the right side of the restaurant. I decided to pick a spot where I could still see the register and see the girls ordering their food. The one girl with the lanyard was the first to order so she got her drink, and it was her choice to choose a table. All of the booths were pretty much open in the entire restaurant but she chooses the one that happens to be right behind where I am sitting. Was this done by choice I am not sure. Soon to follow she sat down, then said oh no I forgot my hot sauce, that is the best kind. She got up and grabbed the hot sauce. Because of my seat she had to walk past me every time she got up to get something else, and she kept getting up to get something else. Oh I forgot napkins, oh I need more hot sauce. Then all three girls were sitting down and they each got up a couple times to get things. Suddenly the girl says crap I forgot to get a fork, so she ran up to grab the fork, again passing me.

I didn’t know if this was the case of a girl who just was really bad at remembering to grab everything she needed at once or if she wanted an excuse to walk by me several times. So I finished my food and decided to try out a little test. I took out my cell phone and casually left in on the table as I walked over to the trash and to the fountain to refill my drink. I was not but two steps away when the girl with the lanyard jumped up and screamed at me that I forgot my phone, which she grabbed and ran over to me to hand it to me personally. I said I would forget my head if it weren’t attached, thank you very much! I then walked over to the door and was facing it, then I decided to pull a quick maneuver I have used before, opening the door with your back so you can do a quick turn and look directly at a person behind you. I did this and my gaze was met with the lanyard girl, so I smiled and left the taco bell.

Well I have no idea if any of this behavior was due to the p83 but it seemed to be that way. I don’t think I am congruent with the effects of ih or io because despite wearing it people don’t seem compelled to talk to me. I am pretty shy so I have to work on that I think so I can use the effects of ih and io to my advantage. It works great with people I know already and already established a comfort zone but but I don’t think I send out that come and approach me body language. Out of curiosity what kind of body language should one use to open the door for the approach so to speak?

I am thinking of uping my dose of the ih and io when I use it from 2 to like 4 to see if it has a more profound effect at higher dose with my body chemistry. Still working on the sweet spot so perhaps I have not found it yet. Anyway that was my fun side adventure there! Seems like even in a situation I wasn’t planning for the mones worked wonders lol.

ITNerd

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With me, this is a major variable that is overlooked. You took her to a chick flick. I had a french kissing session with a girl who initiated with me, before I discovered pheromones, after watching a chick flick with her (which I was so so about the movie).

It could really also be the movie. I also find that sometimes when you sit and talk to a girl for too long, she can get tired or bored with you and put you in a friend-zone category. This is what you did on the previous date.

However, like I said, whether she was hypnotized by a romantic movie and that put her in the “mood” with you, or whether it is the mones is irrevevant, you are going where you want to go.

Even if you are now in best friend category, the next time you see her, if as a “best friend” you can add more TUTH or IJ to your combo or one of them pheromones there “alpha female / couplins” TAL or something like that, so to get that maternal spark on her to make her more aggressive towards you.

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That behaviour sounds like a hit. She sat by your proximity by yourself and kept walking past you on what seems to be trivial excuses.

Now you have to learn to develop the confidence to captalize on these hits. Here, it may be good to learn some lines from David D’Angelo - for example, “caught you checking me out”, and grin or something like that and sit next to her.

Here is where IO would come in – if it is worth it’s weight in gold…there would be a conversation or carefree attitude to talk about anything, and if you don’t talk, she should…after all, you have social mones on.

I have the same issues. I have two IO bottles, 2 strength and 1 strength. Like you I’m also shy and have this “don’t bother me unless it’s important” body language. Like you I find IO works with people I know and on my journal record I’m also thinking of upping the dose.

I think that if you wear enough IO you start having more “humour”. I’m playing with IS/IO combos to try and get me to be a bit more silly and light rather than the serious and formal tone I have.

Please keep updating your journals, especially with upped dosages of IO/IS.

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Hm, I looked up TAL of course it is out of stock lol. I do have IJ and TUTH though so maybe I will try a spray in my next mix to see if she acts any differently then I am used to her acting. I don’t know if I want to come off as a jerk though using IJ but who knows maybe that is what is missing in regards to her attraction toward me. She has made a passing reference that I am too nice sometimes that I need more of a balance, perhaps with a little boost from IJ I might have something.

As for the girl in the taco bell, like I said she was clearly a student at the school I worked with so I would have not tried anything with her anyway just to be on the safe side, I don’t want to be fired from my job, in a couple weeks though that is a whole other story because she will be graduated and then all bets are off lol.

I hear people say they prefer IH over IO so I have been using more IH in my mix. I think in the next experiment I am either going to use either just one mone or maybe two to gauge her reactions to it. I think it will also depend on what we do. If we end up going out to dinner and a movie again I might try something completely different just to see. If we end up just hanging out watching a DVD at my apartment then I might think of adding a little TUTH to set the mood. I don’t want to come off as a crazy horny guy though because I am trying to ease into this and not dive in head first until I can gauge if it is a good idea or not. She is a very shy and guarded girl one of the reasons I like her so much because she is so much like myself I think that is why we get along so well. But at the same time we are still vastly different people, but that is a good thing because we have some important things in common but we also bring new things to the table to keep our relationship fresh. If you are too much a like relationships seldom last too long, but with this girl I am looking for LTR. That is how I feel at least.

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IH is more used by extrovert people to help people take them more seriously. If you are already shy and have that melancholy introvert spirit, then IO is the better choice. The problem with me is that I’m too formal and serious and IH is more of a serious social to IO.

I’d say that risking mones is the way to go since you just sit back and see if it works. You are not the one being too forward or chasing her, you are just spraying some stuff on and testing her reaction. This can make a great placebo effect in itself since you are not coming across as needy or desperate.