DAYUM!
VERY well played, man. You were congruent with the mones and on FIRE!
Sounds lilke some very good cocky-funny thrown in for good measure with teasing her, taking command and being the prize yourself, and being an all around Alpha Male Monster!!!
Jilli…WHO? Pfft, Ancient History!
Indeed, thanks to the advice from you and many others! Let’s see if I can keep the fire going! I have the rest of today and all of tomorrow morning to prep!
Okay so Saturday. I ended up going to a family party for my little cousins’ joint birthday party. I figured this would be a good time to test the MX423 AD sent me with my last order since it is supposed to be a social mone along the lines of IS.
Application
2 sprays as directed, one on each side of the neck
**Report
Strength - **At first spray the MX423 kind of smells like old lady perfume, then it sort of turns into a very high alcohol smell like hand sanitizer. Then shortly after that the smell was completely undetectable at least I couldn’t smell it anymore.
Length of Effects - Okay so I would say the MX lasted the standard fare despite me being outside, mainly because it was a very cool windy day so I didn’t really sweat so much. So I would say I was at the party for about 4 hours and still saw hits and effects after that even. So standard 4-6 hours would be my personal assessment.
Self Effects - I didn’t really want to be at this party, but after putting his one I seemed in a better move like I didn’t care whether or not I went to the party, because I would be cool either way. It made me rather sarcastic and joky, more so than usual, that could have also been just the circumstances as well.
Effects on Others - Everyone seemed to want to be my friend, I have gone to other parties with this particular family and they all seemed unapproachable and defiant with my presence there. On this day they all kept coming up to me and introducing themselves as if we never met even though I have sort of met them at a previous party. My cousin’s Felon Husband, whom I hate, and I think he knows it, wanted to be my best friend. More details later in the summary.
Diffusion - It was a small backyard, it had about 5 tables set up and there were about 20-30 people there. Sitting all the way in the back of the yard it seemed to effect everyone in the entirety of the yard, granted it was extremely windy so perhaps the mones were carried further faster because of this I am not familiar with how wind effects diffusion so I cannot say for sure.
Summary
Okay so I went to my little cousins’ birthday party. One turned 11 the other just turned 1. My cousin married this convicted felon and he is rather short tempered and I do not feel like the kids and my cousin are not safe around him despite how much he says he loves them and would never hurt them, too many other things have transpired that say otherwise. That is beside the point I don’t want to get into detail, just wanted you to know I really didn’t want to have to go to this party but I couldn’t let my little cousins’ suffer because of that they don’t deserve that. So I decided why not try the MX423 and it did lift my spirits a bit, I felt cool, and calm and in a good mood despite it. Very sarcastic and joky as well, more so than usual not sure if that was the MX or the circumstances though.
So I get there and we are the first people there. Felon husband greets me excitedly and asked if I had seen his basement. Normally I would have probably hesitated thinking he was going to lure me down there to dismember me but I think the MX help keep me calm and cool and I am like, sure let’s see your man cave, as I assumed it was before he even showed me the basement because why else would he be excited about a basement. As I thought, man cave, that is when he told me all about his new line of work how he cleans out houses and gets a lot of stuff for next to nothing. I let it slip out of my mouth, are they aware you are cleaning out their houses or is this a secret operation? I don’t know why I did that but I did, maybe I was using the MX as an excuse to be an ass I am not sure it was due to the mix entirely. He laughed at my joke, or what he at least assumed was a joke when it clearly wasn’t and informed me that he gets paid to clean out houses that are foreclosed and there is good money in that.
He then tried to impress me with a $40 bottle of Hennessy, saying no one else at the party can have any but you and I can have some, just let me know if you want it I will keep it in my room and we can share a glass. I smiled and said maybe later and walked away as I was not in the mood for a romantic rendezvous in the felon husband’s bedroom at that particular moment.
I then met some of his more interesting relatives, there was this older looking black man, who kind of looked homeless not going to lie, a big raggedy coat and he was bundled up like he lived on the street despite it being a perfectly nice day with a cool wind blowing. He came up to me randomly and introduced himself as Howard, but you can call me
Rumpelstiltskin that’s what everyone calls me. Okay then!
Overall the experience was that everyone was trying to be my friend but I really didn’t want to be theirs. Eventually I started drinking, just a few Mike’s Winter Blackberry because I didn’t want to get drunk, but eventually felon husband trapped me in a corner and said it was time for the Hennessy, so I said, why not I can do a shot. He then informed me he didn’t have shot glasses, just coffee cups. He then filled it up halfway and called that a shot. But I said whatever and shot it anyway. He then filled up the coffee cup all the way and I again said, whatever and chugged it. After shooting the equivalent of probably about 6 shots in only 5 minutes I was really feeling the effects. That is about the time we went home because felon husband was also drunk, and even I in my drunken stuper could tell he was acting like a complete ass. He started a cake fight with the birthday cake before everyone had cake. He tried to ride on his 1 year old son’s toy car and ended up falling backwards and cracking his head on the sidewalk. It was beautiful to see for sure.
In conclusion I would say that this MX423 makes you cool and in a great mood, and everyone around you wants to be your friend or just be really friendly to you for some reason unbeknownst to me.
ITNerd
Okay so I totally didn’t report on second date with my new target girl. I was disappointed at first because it seemed to go horrible. Let me just dive right into it.
**Application
2 sprays of ammo, one on each side of neck
2 sprays 20 mcg P83 on throat
6 sprays of Instant Honesty, one on each wrist, forearm, and hand
And for shits and giggles I sprayed 2 sprays of MX423 on my hair
The Date
**Okay so since I had such great luck with my mix last date I decided to stay consistent as to not confuse her with additional scents. In retrospect I shouldn’t have added the MX423 but I was curious how it would mesh with others. To be honest I didn’t notice any of the effects I did wearing MX423 the previous tests. Granted there was a lot I was missing I guess. We started off going to this Asian Restaurant that lets you grill your own food all because she was really excited that they let you make your own s’mores at the table, and I can’t argue with that I love s’mores. I ended up eating lightly because I wasn’t feeling particularly hungry this time round. I ended up getting soup salad and s’mores, she then ordered the exact same thing and the waitress commented, “Aw that’s so cute” Not sure if it was because we ordered to same thing or because we were so damn excited about s’mores but whatever to each her own I suppose.
Unlike the first date the conversation seemed to be falling to a lot of awkward silences. I kept trying to close the gaps and get the talk going but it just seemed like it wasn’t happening. My IH was failing me miserably this time round and I was waving my arms around like crazy while I was talking to get the scent across to her. When the conversation wasn’t silent we were laughing and talking just like the first date though. After the soup and salad we started making s’mores. You each get two in one order, she ended up only being able to eat one and gave me her second one so I had 3 total. I wish the table had an open flame instead of a grill on top but the s’mores still came out pretty good.
Then we walked over to the movie theater to see Lion King in 3D because she seemed excited about it. But first on the last date she made me pinky swear that she could get the bill next time, well she freaking Ninja’d the bill from me, it was paid before I even realized it was at the table. So I of course busted her chops all like, why did you pay the bill, she said remember you pinky swore to me last time. To which I replied, doesn’t ring a bell, you were pretty drunk at the time are you sure this happened. I laughed letting her know I was clearly joking. So we get to the theater we get up to the counter to buy tickets and she drops something so being the gentlemen I picked it up, when I got back up she had already bought the freaking movie tickets too claiming the dinner on the first date was way more then the dinner this evening and now we were even. So the girl literally tricked me by purposely dropping her phone so she could pay for the tickets before me. Gotta admire her spunk, she is a feisty one and I cannot complain about that lol.
Only ones in the theater. So I thought jackpot. I tried all of the smooth moves but she seemed to pull away from me and turn her body away from me, I was not happy I felt defeated. After the movie we walked out to my car I had my arm around her shoulder, she had hers on the small of my back. I drove her back home for the evening and walked her to her door again. she was practically inside the house before I had a chance to grab her and give her a kiss good night. So yeah I felt that something went wrong and figured it was time to move on. On a whim I decided to test her. I asked her if we could go out again this Tuesday, we could go back to my apartment and I would make her dinner and we could watch a movie or something. She agreed pretty quickly. So she is all for going to my personal space so I am hoping it will be intimate to say the least. I will keep you posted.
IT Nerd
I just freaking give up. I try and I always end up in the God Damn friend zone and quite frankly I am sick of it. I am not even going to bother reporting anything, let’s just say new girl I was going out with said she can see us being really good friends but nothing more than that. Why I am cursed to be perpetually trapped in the friend zone is beyond me. The end!
Whoa, whoa, whoa, IT.
What happened?
Backtrack for a minute, chief.
It’s been a while since you updated, and it seemed like everything was going pretty well at last count.
(Well, it hasn’t been that long, but my sense of time isn’t the best..)
(btw, just keep in mind that you’ve got 3 BILLION women out there. No reason to give up when ya still have so many on the prowl!)
Well I went on the third date with her. I invited her to my apartment. I made dinner, we watched a movie. Everything seemed like it was going well, except she was physically shutting me down I tried putting my arm around her, sitting next to her on the couch close proximity to me and my sexiness, and mones. But she kept pulling away then announced she was tired and should go home. So I drove her home then she told me I didn’t have to walk her to the door got out of my car and just left. Well whatever I am not sure what I did. I didn’t attack her aggressively or anything I figured on a third date it would be okay to make some physical contact in the form of an arm around her or grabbing her hand. Apparently I did something wrong. She then told me later the clearly scripted somewhere in a book all women read rejection.
“You are a really great guy, and I really love spending time with you and hanging out. I think we can be awesome friends I really mean that, I just don’t see us being more than that. I really do hope we can still be friends”
Seriously is there a fucking book I am not aware of because I have gone out with roughly 30 girls this year and never got passed the first date, and all of them said exactly this to me. But most of them stopped talking to me after that anyway so clearly they didn’t mean it. See I usually am all for being friends because then I can initiate the out of the friend zone game I have become quite good at. Being a great friend to the point where they get conflicting feelings about me. Hopefully it doesn’t end with her telling me to fuck off like last girl though. But this time I just don’t want to waste my time because last time I did this, sure I was making progress but the girl was so fucked up I wasted a year of my life on a friendship that just just ended anyway so I don’t fell like doing that again. I am not so good at the dating game I never have been I keep working on it and I think I am getting better. I had so much experience with first dates that the first date was amazing, but after that I kind of lost it I guess and now I am back where I always end up, in the friend zone. I used the same mixture I have been using with her and I was congruent and confident and everything I needed to be and more. I even did the slightly romantic thing of making dinner for her. Where did I go wrong? I have no idea. I just feel defeated right now and hopefully I will recover I had such high hopes and felt really good this time around but I guess it was not meant to be. Hopefully I find my girl soon enough or I might go insane.
ITNerd
I have a couple guesses here…
Keep in mind that you did get past the first date with this one, which means that you are doing better than you were!
What I’m wondering is if there was enough comfort building with her. Did you all get into any deep conversations or anything like that?
Also, another thing that I noticed, was that for a while, this chick was showing massive ioi’s towards you. Was there anything that happened between when she was showing the IOIs and the end of date 2 that could have set things back?
Also, at the end of the date, (me personally, ymmv,) I would have not invited her back to my place to cook for her, but instead, in that position I would have went the route of saying ‘I’m making a nice dinner on so and so night.. feel free to come over. As long as you promise that you’ll try to behave yourself!’
Take a deep breath, brother, and relax. Getting emotional right now is what you DON’T want to do. Way too many single-and-looking women out there to fret over one that you’ve been on a few dates with. She doesn’t deserve that power over your emotions and she certainly hasn’t earned it.
Something else… you never know; she might have something going on in her life or have some kind of thing to work through. You can’t instantly chalk it up to always being your fault.
If anything, next time you talk to her, I’d say something like: “I’m really glad that we decided to be friends. I was thinking about going out next week to a club and you’d make a really good wingwoman.” And do just that.
Nope there is no book, sorry. I skimmed over your journal, Its pretty long but some issues stood out to me.
Ok why may I ask are you wearing IG and MX423 around these girls especially after the first date ?
You may as well wear a sign on your head that says “slam me in your friends box and I will paint your toenails”
Look back at your posts and what worked and what didnt. You need yourself some Tuth and when you use Ammo use more then one spray.
IG has a tendency to give the peaceful trusting alpha vibe. Perfect for friend-dom. It can be useful in attraction when you want to come across as mature or you want to gain the trust and respect of a girl you want to move into a serious commitment with. However sexual attraction and contact most always happens before that occurs.
All the reports on MX423 scream be my best pal. There are a few stragglers that suggest more but I suspect a strong sexual attraction already existed. Some of them had TUTH on as well.
I suggest TUTH, Ammo, IH and Ishine for your arsenal. Not always all at once. Just hanging out in a crowd with the girl. Use Ammo and IH and Isshine. On a date like you making dinner for her use TUTH and the other two. You can add your P83 then. That’s when you want inhibitions dropped and touching to occur.
Other advice.
Jillian
First mistake, dont hang out with girls casually unless you want to be just friends or you all happen to meet up in a group. If you go out together make it clear its a date.
Dont wait so long to make your move, that was part of the problem with the first girl. You should have kissed Jillian on that date not give her a big hug. Dont give big hugs to anyone except friends. It screams your my friend. Especially after you talked about other girls with her. This was like an invitation to the friend zone.
To much intimate talk before intimacy occurs slams you in the friend zone.
Do let girls know your active socially. Dont ask girls you like for advice on specific other girls. That may have been a case of TMI
Second target girl…
You did kiss ST girl on the first and second date. Thank god, all dates end with a kiss even first ones. You can make out during them to but thats a whole different subject. LOL Back on subject… You mentioned you had tried to be a gentlemen all night on the both the second and third date. Stop that. LOL I am not suggesting you be a pig but you need to create some serious sexual tension. Tuth and ammo will help there but not if your over buffer them with socials and MX423.
Try a three to one ratio, So suppose you use AMMO and IH. 2 sprays of ammo and 6 sprays of IH.
Suppose you wear AMMO Ishine and IH. 2 sprays of ammo 3 sprays of IH and 3 sprays of Ishine.
As ochrismongrelo mentioned did you notice she was showing massive IOI on the first date when your socials were in the right ratio and she was sort of distant on the second date part of the time when you over did the socials. What did you use on the third date ?
I know your upset right now but this is 2 girls in a world filled of women. Your gonna fall a lot in life in all areas. The successful people just get right back up and forget about it. Believe me even the hottest men in the world get shot down they just dont give a shit. People tend to like that about them.
Tisha
Wow thanks guys. To answer some of your questions. The Third date I used the same mix I used on the first date but I switched the ammo out for the TUTH. I am not sure what occurred to be honest I was trying to initiate kino the whole night but she was not at all receptive like she was on the first date and then when I went in for the kiss that is when she kind of pulled away and said she needed to go home. Bad sign that’s for sure. It might just be that after getting to know me better she didn’t like me as much as she thought I dunno. I am not upset over the girl OChris, it is more about the fact that I am not very good at the dating game, I may be improving but I should be making vast improvements.
The mones I am sure worked beautifully the problem in this case lies with me I am just awkward sometimes. I am 10 times better than I used to be, believe me, but I still need a lot of work. My guess is I didn’t throw off a sexy vibe so much as a friendly vibe, I have been known to do that because I am just a really friend guy can’t help it. I have never been overly sexual I guess the proper term is I am rather beta but I have made great strides toward being alpha it is just a process that I need to continue to refine. I just wish I would have been able to master it a bit sooner so I wouldn’t have messed up so badly. I thought about hanging out with her as a friend but in reality we do not have friends in common so I would have to go one on one with her or introduce her into my group of friends or something. I need to let her know her “rejection” doesn’t actually phase me, because it doesn’t really, it is like I said, it is more about the fact that it has happened to me so many times. Gotta get to the root of the problem or be doomed to repeat my mistakes for the rest of my dating life.
So first date MIX and my personality was award winning really, but then I kind of just pitter pattered after that I guess I should have been more “aggressive” or alpha if you will. I just hate that I have grown up in a society that ingrained in my mind that girls like a gentleman that I have over the years basically shaped myself into one, which unfortunately is not a good thing. I kind of wish I was more alpha I guess. 25 years old, that is not too old to keep trying right? Still young yet plenty of fish in the sea and all that.
ITNerd
Just pretend you don’t care that’s the key. Girls seem to like a challenge and if your too easy for them and they know they can have you then most of the time you get the friend zone, don’t be a jerk but don’t be the super nice guy either. And sometime try insinuating that they are in the friend zone and they will try to take it to the next level, they hate that shit.
What I’ve learned from going out was that many guys are either on the too sexual side, or the too conservative side. You need to find that happy medium.
I’ve been in that whole, crap I’m just a friend. Believe me as time goes on, and as you get input from your Journal you will get better at it. I made my mistakes then, both in mone selection and game.
I’ve found that being natural and not being scared to make kino escalation and creating indirect sexual tension works amazing. Remember that part of that suspense and chase is powerful in creating that tension. Be fun, but be edgy. Don’t force things too quickly but also don’t hold back. If it feels right go for it, you really don’t have much to lose.
Never thought of it that way, but I guess it is true you really don’t have anything to lose.
True, really you only have something to gain. At that stage you don’t have the girl yet, so one must take all the measures needed to ensure she sticks around. Food for thought that is for sure, next time back to the drawing board!
One that you may want to consider trying out (from the reports on the mix) is IJ+IG+IS. It definately would put out more of that ‘i dont give a crap’ but ‘im a guy with goals’ attitude, plus a sexy healthy vibe. Kinda at a spot between ammo and a314 in ‘presence’.
Maybe in a 1:2:2 ratio.
Nice combo there Chris. I like A314 best myself with that, but still nice combo 
Thanks Steve… I will have to try that one. I figured that the bit o’ none in the A314 might overkill the IJ and cause OD though? 
Nah, always worked pretty well for me. A314 has minimal none in it, like a tiny, tiny bit. That much none in IJ makes it non-factor. The A314 just adds oomph and respect to the bad boy persona.
Been MIA again sorry folks, but I just wanted you to know that I have been on the prowl again and might have some good stuff to report. I ended up recently having a first date, and even just finished up a second date and things are looking good.
Mix
3 sprays Ammo, one on each side of the neck, and back of my neck
6 sprays of IH, three on each arm going from hand to wrist to forearm
3 sprays of IS on the throat
Report
Ended up going out to dinner, the date went fairly well. Right off the bat the girl was throwing off IoI like crazy. Playing with her hair, having trouble keeping eye contact without blushing. She was also playing with her straw quite a bit, could be a nervous habit but it could also mean other things so I have been told. After the meal, and lots of conversation that was pretty good we started walking around the mall attached to the restaurant. We just walked aimlessly around non stop talking till before we knew it the mall was closed and we were outside in the cold parking lot, where we went on talking for hours again before I said it was freaking cold, then she invited me into her car. I initiated some playful kino and we continued to talk about some deep meaningful conversation thanks to the IH or because of my natural awesomeness that remains to be seen. I stayed cool and collected the whole time and she literally stayed up talking to me until after midnight, considering the date started at 6 pm I would say that was pretty good, despite the fact she still had to drive 40 minutes home and wake up super early for work at 6 am. Finally we decided to part ways, she insisted on getting out of her car to say goodbye to me, a kiss and a hug goodnight and we were on our way. I told her to text when she got home so I knew she made it in one piece.
Conclusion
I am not very observant most of the time but I could tell after this first date she was into me, and I like her a lot too. She even started commenting on how sexy I am, and she continues to do so. I guess I finally found a nice mix to show off my natural sexiness. She ended up wanting to see me again, only a few days later I will report on that separately though. So with this mix our conversation was deep and meaningful, she was laughing and smiling the whole time, playing with her hair, fidgeting nervously it was adorable really as I have been in that position so many times where I really liked someone and know I am prone to doing the same things. She is really cute and very sweet and I am hoping she might be GF potential we shall see though. A plus side she thinks my nerdiness is sexy, thanks Big Bang Theory you are making it much easier for us nerds to get some love lol.
Date 2 just happened last night, already have date three lined up and it is still looking pretty good. For this date I offered her two choices, we could either go see a movie in the theater or she could come to my place and watch DVDs,s he choose the latter and we got together at my place which is a huge IoI right there in my book.
**Mix
2 sprays Turn up the Heat on on each side of the neck
6 sprays of IH
2 sprays 30mcg P83 on throat
Report
**I decided since we were going to be getting cozy on the couch that I would utilize the Turn of the Heat to see how that would fare as I have not used that much at all in my experimenting so I have no idea how it works for me or what effect it has on me or others around me so much. So she got to my apartment and I let her pick a DVD from my collection, she choose out of all of the choices to put on a DVD of my senior year play. So having a strong desire to see potential BF in an embarrassing situation of his past, she jumped on that, I would say that is an IoI for sure. It was an awful show and she watched it from start to finish and said I was really sexy in it. Score I guess. Then we watched the unaired pilot of Big Bang Theory because I found out she is a big fan and thought it would be fun to show her what the show almost was like which was completely different. At that point the DVD was just background noise as we started engaging in lots of kino.
During the movies she was caressing my leg with her hand, so when I was talking to her I started caressing her leg, at first only a little bit at a time, but as she seemed to be putting her legs closer and closer to my hand I eventually got to full blown caressing her leg with me right hand while my left arm was around her back and she was leaning into me. Another big IoI she kept moving her hair off her chest and sticking it out for me to get a constant great view of her very nice larger natural breasts. She eventually even positioned herself so my gaze would go down her shirt, not sure if that was intentional or just a happy accident. So finally I initiated the making out and we did that for a few minutes, then went back to talking about stuff, now she was caressing my leg even more aggressively.
Eventually she just randomly asked me if I was ticklish. Seeing an ample opening I decided to exploit it, I playfully told her “why would I tell you” to which she took my defiance and started prodding and searching all over my body for the ticklish spot, which she found two, one of which I was not even aware of because no one really ever tickled me there. So I took this opportunity to ask her back where she was ticklish, and she refused to tell me so I took the same opportunity to explore her body poking and prodding until I found two very ticklish spots, ones that make her go quite crazy. I plan on using that knowledge in the future if a more intimate moment presents itself. By the end of the night we were pretty much in a constant embrace with lots of caressing and tickling. She had gotten there about 7 pm and stayed until 2 am again despite having to drive back home. And before she left we pretty much made plans for another date on Wednesday, going to see a movie and get some drinks. And she made reference to another place she wanted to go with me so already a potential 4th date in the mix.
conclusion
I didn’t try anything too sexual despite my wearing TUTH mainly because I was getting the vibe that she is a slow kind of girl and I think I found exactly the right comfort zone for her for a second date. I imagine I will just keep taking it further as the dates progress and maybe after all this time I finally have a potential GF in the mix. One can only hope. I think this mix worked really well for what I wanted it to, I took the mones and I was congruent to the extent I wanted to be and it seemed to work well. Also this is the first girl out of all the girls I have gone out with while wearing mones, that keeps telling me that I “always smell good” telling me I always smell good on the second date leads me to believe I might have engrained myself and my scent into her memory already which is pretty good. I will keep you posted about Wednesday we shall see how it goes. Gotta figure out what to go with this time mones wise. As always I am open to suggestions!
ITNerd