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Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports
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I am concluding that women and men (but my research is mainly aimed at women) not only respond best to different pheromones/doses day by day (although there are usually favorable mixes/doses that remain so for weeks at a time), but that:

The response you get from other people concerning pheromones depends on how they view you, what they think of you, how you have led them to respond to you, and what they want from you.

This comes from tracking several women for “best response” using my calculator. In the beginning, when they don’t know you, the pheromones that work best for creating attraction and/or arousal will often be very different from what works best as they get to know you, and as you shape their perception of you through displays of higher or lower value.

One of my test subjects was only responsive to 2.5 mcg P75 at first; then it shifted to 3.75 mcg after a month; then it shifted again to 2 sprays of Panty Scorcher. P75 and PS are VERY different signatures… nearly opposites in a lot of ways. The chane in how she perceives me has been from “client” (she is mom’s household assistant) to friend and now she is starting to see me as potential romantic partner material, even though she doesn’t want to.

Another test subject responded best to 2 sprays of one of the precursors of Panty Scorcher the first time I met her. Then I saw her again a few years later, and she was responding best to 4 sprays of Ammunition for a couple weeks. After going from viewing me as “just another guy” to modeling nude for me and seeing that I have very good self control, am very professional, and very much a free thinker, with me constantly showing DHVs, she has shifted from “just another guy” to “amazing photographer” to “I have to have this man at any cost!” and she now responds best to 3 sprays of TUTH if I intend to be more than friends with her, or 3 sprays of Instant Gentleman if I prefer to be professional with her.

The point of this is to show you that what she thinks of you, how she responds to you, will affect how she responds to the pheromones you wear quite strongly because she is moving her “field of view” around, and to remain consistent with that, you must shift your signature around.

Likewise, you can use a different signature to help shift her perception of you, but you must also be congruent with the signature to enact the change in her perception. Pheromones alone won’t do it.

You do not have the luxury of assuming you are targeting a static target when you intend to get responses from a specific person. You must constantly be on the ball, aware of their shifting perceptions of you, and matching it with your signature or working to change it to match the signature you prefer.

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like we have said… BE CONGRUENT

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Congruence is not necessarily the same thing. I’m pointing out that it’s more complicated that “be congruent”. You have to be congruent with what you wear, but wearing what is most congruent with what they think of you already is also important for maximum impact and success.

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Quite a conundrum.

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I’m beginning to think my ability to communicate is seriously degraded lately… because I am getting the distinct impression I am not getting my ideas across effectively in these last few weeks.

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Maybe it’s because you’re so used to using pheros in your communication that you can’t communicate using pure verbal communication anymore :smiley:

Or you’re so far ahead of us that we just aren’t able to get what you’re saying. :confused:

IIUC, it’s a bit like “leading” and “pacing” in NLP. In NLP you gain rapport by “pacing” the other person, then you begin to lead them since they will tend to stay in pace with you. In the example of the woman who saw you as a “client”, starting off with a sexual or romantic mix would not have worked; she would have rejected it. It was too far ahead of where she was. So she responded better to a “friendly” mix, which broke down the barrier of client/professional relationship. Once she saw you not as a client but as a personal relationship, it was possible to lead her further towards the romantic side of things.

What this implies is that, for example, a very sexual mix won’t work unless the woman is already in the place, mentally, for a casual hookup. This is something we already know, but your idea is a larger idea which encompasses and extends this, in the same way that relativity encompasses and extends Newton’s physics.

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I understood what your were trying to communicate. Basically your saying

Be congruent
Rotate your signature to create stronger hits
Its 10% mones 90% you
try to compliment your natural signature.
Preconceived notions effect results.
The signature you use to create the initial attraction may not be the best signature to use to deepen that attraction. Hence rotating to find what works best as you move through the relationship.

To some degree your right. You can get maximum effects from wearing a signature that speaks to what they already know about you. However I always think its best just to be yourself and let the pheromones compliment you naturally. Don’t give opposing signals but dont be over congruent either. You want there to be something to the attraction other then the pheromone signal. Plus its not always easy to know what people think of you already unless they verbally tell you.

Tisha

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Here the door opens for me to explain what I am doing a bit more. You see, had I been trying to “be congruent”, I could not have succeeded because the cleaning assistant had no prior knowledge of me. I allowed her to get to know me a couple days, and then I chose what I wanted her to think when she was around me and began applying the pheromones that would cause those thoughts, at the optimal dosage to do exactly that.

I did not let her decide what to think: I specifically and actively used the pheromones to tell her what to think. And as I got her to go in the desired direction more and more, I shifted my signature to continue being optimal for the desired direction. This requires really being on the ball, because you must read their body language, facial cues, vocal cues, and everything else you possibly can. Everything they do and say is a way to learn what they are thinking and how they are reacting.

With the model, I did things a little differently. I chose a goal, and then I used my calculator to determine which pheromone and what dose of it to use to achieve that goal. In this case, my goal was to keep her on the edge of arousal, without going over that line into sex or romance, because that happened to be where I would get the best images from her, and the most interest in doing more photo shoots with me. (The true goal.) And wow… have we done some amazing work together.

These experiments are about like going through a grocery store pushing your cart backwards… the cart steers most naturally the other way (in this case, “the other way” would be simply acting congruently with what you know of the signature you are wearing), but you are making it do what you want, in the reverse way (making the signature become what she expects, and thus forcing her to change to accept that as “you”).

Hopefully that will make more sense.

These experiments showed me that it is possible to do this, and that not only can pheromones be used this way (basically to subliminally direct their responses to you, which careful observation and congruence when she responds the way you want her to will cause to shift), but that it is indeed a much more complex situation than mere congruence, it is many facets of how you act, how you direct her perception of you, and what she thinks of you and wants from you.

Basically it comes down to, you can drive a car forward or backward, but it takes a lot more skill to drive it backwards, and in this analogy, driving it backwards (intentionally and directly shaping her perception of you) is a much more powerful (and difficult) way to use pheromones.

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very nice post Catlord17.
Makes soooo much sense.

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I do not know if you have read the Neil Strauss book. However this sounds similar to Evolution Phase Shifting. Maybe that would be an easier way to explain what you are saying. I understand completely the point you are trying to get across. It is a brilliant though process. Similar to breaking down the process of falling in love and changing what mix you wear to make that process happen, but to a higher more sophisticated degree. Good insight Catlord. Also another valuable reason NOT to mix pheromones in the bottle, but on your skin LOL :stuck_out_tongue: