mixing and making home mixes questions...

If I buy a 30ml bottle with DPG and add some mones, does it mean that my mix would be pretty much 'OIL-based? ’

Also, does DPG come with a scent?

Does adding oild-based mones to alcohol diluent destroy its effectiveness?

Where do I buy mixing pippettes and graduated cylinders, prfererably 1ml to 5 ml ones?

There are plenty of places to buy pippets online and has for the other questions I cant help with that one. Off the internet the best place to buy supplies like that may be a teachers supply store or it may be best just to use ebay.

Yeah because it would be mostly composed of oil. More oil = oil based while
More alcohol = alcohol based. Other than that once the medium becomes too thick it becomes infeasible to spray it so you know its “Oil-based”.

Unless you buy it with the neroli complex, plant musks, or plant musks with ylang ylang its unscented. Obviously these options come at a premium so figure out what you want although I wouldnt go for the most expensive options unless you have a formula pinned down from your experiences rather than conjecture based on reading.

I dont find it viable to turn a alcohol product into a oil based nor a oil product turned into a alcohol based. Saying that you could perhaps make some sprays last somewhat longer by adding a percentage of DPG to it (like 1 or 1.5 mLs of DPG for ever 5 mL of alcohol product) I dont play around with that too much b/c I prefer to reapply. The only exceptions with adding oil to alcohol that could work would be a Enone or Anol based product added to alcohol which would speed up diffusion. Adding an adequate amount of oil product to alcohol makes it more effective because your making the medium faster. It defeats the purpose of buying a oil product but yes you can do it. A314 isn’t a viable product to do this with b/c its a mix and its dependent on various molecules intermingling.

I disagree with OA on this one, which hasn’t happened in quite a while :slight_smile:. If you have an alcohol BASED product and add it to DPG you still have an alcohol Based product, but now with DPG mixed in. Mincing words? Maybe but the effects would still be vastly different, especially with consumer lines. If you have one molecule at a certain mcg then you would at least know what concentrate you have. With mixes you can’t do that.

Also if you take MX777 and add it to a bottle and then add 90% DPG then by this calculation you’d have 10/100th a spray of MX777 per every one spray of the solution.

You can have DPG scented if you choose but perfumers and the likes use it because it is unscented and certain other variables that make it appealing. I encourage a Google search on it. There have been some other recent oils that have come about in the perfuming industry lately too. One of these is silicone based oils which comes in several forms, three of which I am familiar with Dimethicone, Cyclomethicone and Botanisil. The theory is that the silicone is a bigger molecule that still bonds with the pheromones, but does NOT allow penetration into the skin. I heard this from a couple other mones producers, but have not been able to independently confirm these statements. Of course you should do the research and discover for yourself what works best.

Mostly soap making companies are selling those along with DPG now so it is evidenced by their sales there is some interest in them. Of course sales do not translate to fact :slight_smile:. I was introduced to these soap companies by my in law and as such get some very interesting and unique EO’s and the likes there. Androtics sells pipettes so I highly recommend you get them here :slight_smile:

I remember when making a mix once I had our former formulator April tell me, when I requested 10X ICM, say that it would take a ridiculous amount of alcohol to titrate it and I was virtually ensuring failure. She explained it me in her most sisterly to dumb big brother way that she could. LOL, that’s why I can’t actually explain it back to you :wink:.

Of course then there’s the point of having those reports voided for RU status. Dillute the product lose the value of the feedback. To us anyway and this coming year there will be BIG changes to RU status for many, many people.

A314 can be changed with alcohol. Its oil base so if you add alcohol, whether on skin which I really do hope that’s what you are asking, or elsewhere :open_mouth:, than yes, you have dramatically impacted the product. Think of it this way. A314 is an ice cream and you put it into boiling water. Do you still have Ice Cream? All the ingredients are there right? But it’s not A314 anymore.

Hope that covers everything :smiley:

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I didn’t think it would go on forever :smiley: I suppose Im glad it went as long as it did. My perception on that part particularly won’t change but I identify with your statement.

Steve, I am not trying to dilute the consumer lines. I am just trying to make some simple mixes with a light -none, rone and -nols! Anyways, are the pipettes labeled? How would I know if I’m dropping in 1ml. This is why I was looking to use a graduated cylinder instead, lol

All pipettes from AD are labeled and if your buying from other vendors just make sure you buy ones that are marked and not the cheap kind from CVS or Walgreens. Using a graduated cylinder to measure I would think would be a pain since your mixing various things together and you dont want to contaminate one variable with another, hence the having multiple droppers with markers at .25 .5 .75 1 and so forth.

So, how is the pipette labeled? I am guessing every .5 ml?
Also, each one costs $.99?

The ones I ordered from Ad about a month or so ago are labeled in .5ml up to 3ml.

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going to make my own mutant ammo and -none based products.
Let yall know what happens!