Hey guys i was wondering, i might be put on an anti-epleptic drug soon and i own many of androtics products(IS, alpha,ammo,) and bunch of to gos bottles. I have heard using some pheromone products when i am taking this pill is a bad idea. I read on this site some guy had tuth on him when he was on these drugs and he felt like he was going crazy cause the smell was amplified hundredfold. Now is there any kind of phero products i can use safely considering all this?
Unless the scent itself is a trigger for your epilepsy, then I don’t think you have a lot to worry about. 
I must say I have my doubts about these “smell of pheros make me mad” type threads - they very often end-up uncovering other issues with the OP.
Even then, there are ways to minimise the amount of scent involved - If you know your sweet spots for each phero and it works out, then the 2x product might be a better choice as it has more mones but the same amount of scent, so you would need less sprays overall.
Then you can innure yourself to the scent/pheros themselves by wearing a small amount every day for a period of time - choose an app spot you can easily wash if you start to feel too bad. I had to do this with A1 because I get the downer effects from it. Took about a fortnight to get used to the stuff.
You can also use different app points that are further away from your nose - eg back of neck, wrists/forearms etc.
Seems like you and I have something in common I too take anti-epleptic medication. I’ve used tegretol, carbamazepine and now I’m on keprra. All this while I was using mones and nothing happened.
At least that’s my experience, I strongly suggest that since you are about to take them wait a month before using pheros. when I started using tegretol I was dizzy for the 1st week it seriously messed me up. Let your body get used to it then take pheros.
I take my seizure meds before I go to bed so I never had a problem. Take care buddy!
I see, thank you for your responses, i am curious however as i would like to know for 100% sure from a experienced moderator or someone who knows these products inside and out(like people who actually have known someone or have made these products in the lab and know evrything about them. To be completely sure that there is no problem in taking this pill with the pheros. I was wondering, did you get dizzy because of the pill or because you used the pheros when you had just started the pill?
I started using tegretol in Oct. 2003, I wasn’t using pheromones at all during that time. The dizziness was strictly from the medication I was taking, I wasn’t able to drive for about a week.
Yesterday I used ammo + is and I was fine no ill-effects whatsoever. As I mentioned I am now taking keppra.
I understand your concern trust me if anything that can trigger seizures is stress, strobe lights, binge drinking and drugs.
If the Dr. is ordering you on these meds, you have no choice BUT I would wait until your body is 100% acclimated to the medication before using any pheromone to keep it safe.
Sound advice from both . Give yourself an adjustment period. However mones are basically smell technology. You could just as easily set off a seizure from someones cologne or chocolate chip cookies. Of course not having any type of medical degree this is all opinion and in no way meant to be medical advice. I think you’ll be fine though, but also agree that you should let yourself adjust first to your medicine.
Be happy
Steve
If artificial mones were a problem, you’d also suffer from natural ones and have to avoid locker rooms, gyms, dance floors, homeless (they tend to never wash mones off) and getting between the legs of a hot 'n sweaty woman.
The best person to ask is the Doctor who prescribed the meds. I can tell you what I know but I am not a doctor.
Pheromones will not cause seizure disorders but if you have a seizure disorder they can trigger them since they stimulate the brain. Anything that stimulates can set one off and it depends on what your sensitive to. For instance lack of sleep, stress, light or visual patterns, alcohol, certain other meds can all be triggers.
However if you have been using mones already and they have not triggered an attack then you should be fine using mones with the medication. Pheromones will not effect the meds or change how they work.
I would suggest like the others have that you give yourself an adjustment period. This way you wont mistake any side effects you get from the meds with how they work with your mones. Then when your ready use one product at a time just like testing from the start.
I dont know if your doctor has done this already of not but ask him to get your B-12 levels checked. Studies have found that those who suffer seizures have a low B-12 count. Its helps helps keep the nerves and blood cells in the body functioning correctly. On top of that the meds can lower your B-12. A good B complex, Zinc and magnesium are important as well. Many seizures are caused simply by bad eating habits and lack of the correct ratio of micro nutrients which is easy on the standard american diet.
Tisha
I have to agree with tisha23 ask your doctor…but your B12 levels shouldn’t be an issue. It really does depend on the medication you are taking. For instance Tegretol will sap your body’s calcium or Vitamin D deposits.
Do you have any idea which perception your doctor is thinking of giving you? If you live in the US there are really 3 - 4 meds your doctor will recommend.
Ok i thought i should mention im not gonna take this drug for epilepsy, i need it for a much much more complicated reason that i would have to explain for pages on end,so i wont explain that part. My concern wasent that i would get an epileptic attack because of the mones, it was that it would affect me in diferent ways like: anxiety, overloaded sense of smell, insomnia stuff like that. I haveasked my doctor about this and he dosent know as he didnt know pheromone products like the ones from androtics existed, when i told him it was aproved by the fda he was very suprised and it gave what i was saying much more credibility.
I’ve been on tegretol and phenytoin for another long-term condition in the past and have had dizzy episodes from them (mainly phenytoin) - indeed it was the increasing frequency of dizzy spells that led to my stopping them and seeking other ways to manage it.
Although I have managed it effectively ever since and it only rarely gives me trouble now so long as I don’t ignore the warning signs, strong scents can be a trigger but the only AD scent that is a real risk to me is Ammo’s F21. Everything else I’ve tried so far is fine, unless I let myself get very run-down, which increases the chance of attack significantly. By then, almost any scent can tip me over the edge.
However compared to the reaction I have to some some major name perfume scents - Opium leaps to mind. Nothing AD sells is anywhere near as bad.
I was wondering wich product is it that basicly turns off negative self concious thought again? I heard IJ does this, but what about A314 and IS?
There is no product that will do that entirely but for strong, arrogant, in-your-face “I don’t give a shit!” confidence, IJ is probably your best product. However it will repel lot of people exposed to it or even trigger more serious negative reactions in some - which tends to limit its social applications somewhat.
A314 is a different kind of confidence altogether - Very cool, collected, calm and in control. Little details don’t bother you and your confidence is more that of someone who sees the big picture and won’t let anything detract from it. Combine that with the happy/feelgood/centre of attention feel of IS and you have a very good confidence boost that is far more versatile/acceptable in social application.
Oh i thought i should mention i am also on seroquel and abilify if that is not already known. Let me make it clear that when i used pheros with those two medications it changed my sense of smell slightly. I smell body odour stronger than normal(however it smells good so i dont mind) but i know you can reset your sense of smell like tisha had said a while ago so i could just do this.(by sniffing into cofffee beens can or something i think)
My question is can it further affect my sense of smell more so than it has already or is it gonna stay at this same level of smell.
Trying out looks to be the only way you will find out for certain - Scent sensivity is a funny thing, some set you off badly even at very low levels, whilst others you could bathe-in and suffer no problems.
Remember if you stick to the consumer line, AD will refund you if the products don’t work out for you.
Hey guys i just thought i should mention the anti epileptic drug im taking now is called epival. I was wondering if anyone else knows about this pill and has experience using it with mones on.
I would like to know, what is the absolute worse thing that could happen if i wear mones when im on different medications? I want to make sure nothing TOO serious could happen before i go try ammo IS an a314 out again with this new pill.
There’s absolutely NOT A SOUL on this forum who can answer that. We are not offering medical advice here. Its been said already.
You now have me wondering if AD should do any business with you at all!
Sorry i just thought since mones products are Fda approved and all, that i would have more information about there use and effects under all circumstances. I didnt mean to offend you or anything, ive experienced firsthand the wonderful benefits of these pheromone colognes. But i hope you get what i am triying to say, as an example lets say your put onto a new medication, you got interactions info, side effects info, and evrything you could possibly imagine because it is FDA approved. Now i dont live in the US but from what i know i assume since a product is approved in that way, it is considered safe and people know alot about it if not evrything. Try it and see if your ok isnt very reassuring if you know what i mean lol.
Oh tisha if you read this could you post the resetting your smell strategy again if you dont mind? Im gonna need to do so for myself.
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Pheromones are not regulated by the FDA because they dont qualify as a drug. They are used cosmetically which has its own set of rule and regulations seperate from food and drugs.
Pheromones colognes and scent formulas fall under cosmetic products.
I am not a doctor but I checked on the med your taking and it states that you should consult your doctor if your taking certain other meds. They list them all. They don’t indicate that you will have a drug interaction but your dosage may need adjusting. Even Tylenol or Aspirin should be discussed with your doctor as taking them frequently can cause a need for a adjustment. Androgen’s and Estrogen’s are on the list of substances that cause a need for adjustment. Pheromones are Androgen’s and Estrogen’s. However your not injecting or ingesting them and we cant tell you how they will interact with your meds. You should speak with your Doctor then proceed with caution and at your own risk in my opinion.
Pheromones have never been tested for drug interactions simply because they are not drugs. We cant tell you what to do in this case. Its gonna have to be yours and your doctors call.
As far as resetting your olfactory sense that’s pretty easy. Just open a fresh can of coffee and smell the grounds for a minute or two. Its like clearing the “nose palette”. It usually does the trick.
Tisha