I expect not to be believed by most people since my story is unbelievable even to myself. I’ve previously realised ammo makes me anxious and can give me a day long headache if i use too much. A314 puts me in a bad mood after the initial good effects. IH makes me slow and dumb, unsafe driver etc. IG and IJ increased my hairloss significantly. A few months ago I accidentally spilled some IJ on my bedroom carpet and in hindsight I realise this had effected my sleep and mood to a small degree. Not realising this at the time, a month ago I had a girl sleep over and sprayed some IJ on the pillow while she was asleep to see what happened. Immediately I got an unusual headache and had to leave the room to sleep downstairs. The next day I felt terrible with this wierd headache. I knew it was from the IJ so threw the pillow away. Then I realised my negative sensitivity to IJ had increased and I would get anxious when standing over the spot where I had spilled IJ on my carpet. The sensation wouldnt go no matter how much I cleaned it so I threw the carpet away. Yet I was still getting this sensation all throughout the house and my clothes. I couldnt sleep and was getting undescribably horrible headaches. I went out and bought a whole new set of clothes which I changed into in a public toilet. Immediately I felt normal, but of course I had to come home. I decided to counter the anxiety effect of IJ by putting A314 on the house floor. Initially it worked but then it had a side effect of making me feel like I was suffocating. I’d bought an air purifier which helped me sleep only if my nose was right on the vent, but I would wake up unable to breath. I left home, changed all my clothes and went to live with friends. All the negative senstations from the IJ and A314 were gone, but now get a stressful feeling from my own sweat, polution, and basically any inpurities in the air. At this moment I am wearing internal nostril air filters which help reduce the stress from breathing inpure air. My sense of smell has doubled and my sense of smelling body odour has at least tripled. I can tell if it is a man or women is in a room by standing outside the door or just walking past, by scent alone. I’ve researched and I must have messed up my vomeronasal (jacob’s) organ in my nose, making it hyper-sensitive. I went to the Dr after literally 3 nights with no sleep, and of course they had no knowledge of pheromones and recommended I see a psychiatrist. At this time I am able to get broken sleep and do non stressful things with the help of nose filters. I am unable to work or excersize. I feel like I am living a science fiction nightmare where I am allergic to everything.
I should say I didnt just spray IJ on the pillow, I tipped some out the container (to not wake her with the spray sound). That’s what created the problem as it was probably equal to 10 sprays which over-loaded my head
ure expecting too much from mones… you wont see any 100% reaction from a person over you…
its the same as if you see a girl with big ass and big boobs… for most of guys they will think (omg… i would f*** this girl hard) or (i would love to touch this body) but you will never do it(unless if youre psycho xD)..(you will never show her what you think about her) its the same when a person gets affected for your mones… she will try to do everythin to do not show what she thinks about it but they will always do a “moviment” or a “different reaction” that you will find out if they got affected or not hehe!
Your reply doesnt fit with my issue. My thoughts on pheromones are pretty much the same as most people here. I’ve used them for years and know what to expect and what not to expect. I’ve experienced all the positive effects they ate supposed to create. I was just pointing out negative minor side effects I’ve had, and one major negative side effect that has literally ruined my life. Pheromones do work yet can have dangerous side effects you dont know about
It’s not even accepted in the medical community that pheromones actually work nevermind looking into side effects of use or over-use. One time I almost killed myself on the motorway, switching lanes too aggressively the car nearly spun round. I was wearing IJ at the time which was making me overly confident and aggressive, effects that work well in a gym but not behind a steering wheel. I could be dead now very easily
u need to give a break to pheros then! stay away from pheros for like a month… then try everythin again… with IJ i also got agressive! but ij is full of -none so xD.. u know
If only it was so simple.
All that happened to you because you had too much IJ i think wich overloaded your smell system.(spilling it on the floor is a good indicator of this) Androtics should say how high a dose is dangerous.
Well, the “Danger” Level would Vary from Person to Person… That would Also Change with Age, Usage Level, Your Own Chemical Makeup… Also Headaches are NOT Dangerous… I get Migraines when there is a Big Weather Change… So Bad I have to Call Off Work for 1-2 Days… Yet I’ve NEVER Had a Bad Reaction to Pheromones… And I’m Talking upto 5 Sprays of Heavy Ammo or 4 Sprays of Jerk…
Even if Spilled on the Carpet the Pheromones would be GONE After 1-2 Days at the Longest… So Any Reaction you Might Have After that is Likely just Mental and Not a Pheromone Reaction…
You visiting a psychologist/psychiatrist would probably help. I sure do hope that you feel better. However, most people breathe in more toxins than the concentrations of the mones that you’ve encountered. Living in a polluted city like LA, or any other major population centers can damage the sense of smell, it can even damage hearing because of all the noise pollution.
While this may be the catalyst of what happened with your symptoms, it is highly improbable that a high dosage may have caused permanent damage. If medical doctors couldn’t find anything physically wrong with you, then it would most likely be mental. Anxiety triggers can range from various sources, mones or not. What the doctors did was standard procedure when they couldn’t find any physical anomalies with you.
It seems that you are suffering forms of anxiety, and paranoia. There is nothing that is flawed with you, it just happens with people. My goal here isn’t to shoot y ou down to defend pheromones, but to help you to understand that whether this be the mones or not, there are outside factors that are making you think there is something wrong with you, when medical doctors say there aren’t. I hope you find the solutions you need.
Also I’m am not a medical professional and this advice is intended solely for entertainment purposes.
I agree - Apart from a few things that could indicate a sensitivity to certain scent or carrier components, the bulk of this suggests wider psych issues. The OP would be well advised to cut-out the pheros right now and seek proper medical advice.
As a person who has experience overdosing mones…
The amount you experienced was almost nothing compared to what I have experienced.
That said, some people can become super sensative to pheromones, or the punative compounds that we test and use as pheromones.
You must remember, you are testing “UN CONFIRMED” Putative synthetic compounds that are believed to be in the same groups or analogs of suspected Pheromones.
Humans do not have a VNO or functioning that we know of and it is not proven that humans respond to pheromones.
I say they do.
Just take a break, and wash what you have with “Borax soap”, even where you spilled it.
This will help you, go to a hunting supply store and get a Scent Killing Soap.
That is the best advice I can give you.
Its not that I dont believe that your experiencing something but its not a reaction to the pheromones. Its anxiety from fear of pheromones that is causing a psychological effect. Fear is one powerful mother. Some people can’t handle using certain products because they read one negative effect and experience a placebo effect.
Your VNO is absolutely fine. They proved years ago its not functional in humans so its cant be sensitive to pheromones.
Pheromones are not ruining your life. Your misconception of what they are capable of and what your thinking is doing that.
Yes the carrier in the product can cause a headache to those sensitive to fragrances but the pheromones are naturally occurring. You are exposed to just as many natural pheromones in a crowd of sweaty people as you are from spraying them on your body. Do you have this same reaction in crowds ?
Pheromones do not increase your sense of smell. You may recognize the smell now but it hasn’t increased anything. They just dont have the power to do that. If they did I would be rich.
Not everyone is cut out for using mones especially those with OCDtendencies which you are clearly displaying. I dont mean offense, like I said I believe you believe this is happening but I know 100’s and 100’s of people who use mones and this just doesn’t occur unless the person has a existing anxiety disorder.
Pheromones dont cause hair loss, if they did we would all be bald because you have lots and lots of natural pheromones inside you. Synthetic mones are natural mones purified. Alcohol can cause hair loss though and the mones are suspended in it.
Since your so worried I am going to give you some advice on how to rid yourself of the mones since your afraid they are still there. Its not possible they are because the coryneform on your body and on everything your around breaks them down in 48 hour but perhaps this ritual will ease some anxiety. By the way dont freak out about the coryneform we all have it, its part of the natural flora.
Now here is what you do. Stop using mones of course. You can probably return some you have to the store so give them a call.
Take a detox bath. 1 carton of Epsom salt, 1 package of baking soda, 1/4 cup of sea salt in the hottest water you can stand. Sit in there for 20 minutes NO MORE then that . Be sure to have a orange handy near the tub because this is gonna suck all the toxins right out of you and it can make you feel lightheaded. You will lose weight to, if you dont believe me weigh yourself before and after.
However before you do that pop on down to the pet store and get your self a bottle of natures miracle. These are natural enzymes that you will use on the carpet where you spilled the mones. There will be no trace of them by the next day. Its perfectly safe to use, you come in contact with these enzymes every time you eat fruit.
Buy some oxyclean and wash your bed sheets and whatever else you feel needs it.
Mones all gone.
Tisha
With all the due respect that you and everyone else deserves. I believe that it is your mind creating all those things. What happens, is that you get for example a headache, and you tell ur brain u’re gettin headaches, guess what? U’re going to be having headaches. U believe and tell urself u’re losing more hair since using mones, guess what, even if u’re not using mones, u’re gonna be losing more hair. U’re creating suggestions in your brain that are actually affecting you and ur body.
Remember, the brain is a very powerful weapon, and can make anything happen to u.
I think it’s urself creating all this feelings and the more u feed them and believe them, the stronger they gonna get.
I suggest you read or watch the video “The Secret” or the Law of Attraction. In religions is called “Faith” such as there is many other things. Remember
Buddha said: “The mind is everything. What you think you become.”
Such as many others, I really recommend you “THE SECRET”
Best of lucks man!
Sincerely
since pheromones are naturally occurring and all around us everyday, i’m guessing it’s more of the carrier scents that you’re sensitive to.
do a search on Skin Deep Cosmetics Database | Environmental Working Group for your standard bathroom product, and you’d often find that the scent in that product (if any) has a high neurological hazard rating, so i won’t be surprised if the scent was the cause of your headaches and so on.
personally i have a neurological-related movement disorder that is suppressed by medication, but every time i use IO i feel the disorder coming on.
either way, my heart goes out to you.
tisha why do you say that?
It’s as simple as not doing anything or using any spray pheromones again. You’ve done fine for x amount of years in your life, why change something that was already working?
As everyone has already said, the mind is a powerful thing. You are who you create yourself to be.
Negative feedback loop in your brain? Depression, general unhappiness, etc.
Positive feedback loop? Self confidence, self esteem, etc.
I’m well aware that my adverse reaction is so rare and crazy that it makes me sound mental. I did not sleep for 3 nights in a row and when I did I woke up unable to breath. I dont know how anyone could imagine themselves into not sleeping for 3 days. Its so mad I’ve questioned myself. I know it’s all to do with sensitivity in my nose because when i hold my nose, or breath filtered air my symptoms instantly decrease to barely detectable. There is not enough knowledge about the use of pheromones. We’re playing with our brains in a similar way to drugs. You could have a thousand people take E and be fine, then one takes it and dies and it’s like “that cant happen” but it did. Someone said headaches arent dangerous. Headaches that stop you sleeping for days in a row are dangerous. I really wish I was making this up or even a nutter. At least then I would be able to go home and resume a normal life when I recovered. Unfortunately I know 100% that my nose sensitivity has completely messed up and can just hope it gets better.
Never heard of this and if it were true, I should’ve gone bald a couple of decades ago.
Not totally on topic, but still. 
The Only Type of Headache that I Know of that Has the Duration You are Talking About is a Tension Headache… They Normally Last upto 4-6 Hours… In Extreme Cases they can Last Days, Weeks, Months, and YES Years… The Causes However they are Caused by Physical Stress that Has Built Up over Time… Poor Posture, Lack of Sleep, Stress, Bad Eating Habits… Not Cause Your Carpet Smells Funky… Besides Once Exposed to the Elements the Pheromones are GONE Within 48 Hours TOPS… It’s More Likely that this (as Others have Said) is an Issue with the Carrier Scent Package…
I’m Very Well Versed in Headaches as I’ve Suffered Severe Migraines since I was 5… Ever had a Doctor give your Oxycodone for a Headache?!? I Have… I’ve Literally had to Sedated to Sleep at Times…
Note: A Good Deal of the Pain in a Headache is Mental… Infact if You Think about the Pain it Actually get More Intense… It Helps to Think of and Be in a Cool, Dark, and Quite Place… With Practice the Pain can be Subdued and Allow you Rest…
LOL not drinking it, putting it on the hair. Thats why I never use hair products that contain alcohol. Damages the shaft.
I am assuming your asking why I said some people shouldn’t use mones. There is a lot of misinformation out on the net about mones. There is a lot of misinformation about everything out on the net. If your already one of those people who falls for that misinformation without doing due diligence and you obsess over it symptoms that dont really exist happen.
Its a placebo effect. You think it will happen so it does. The same can happen with mones of course which is why I like blind testing mine at first.
If you have even a mild tendency towards OCD its more likely you will be effected by the misinformation or reports of others out there. I think this is happening to Ultimate.
Every symptom he has described has been mentioned here at some point in this forum in a mild form but has passed for 99% of the users with in a day or so. These symptoms can be seen with the use of perfumes and other products as well. Its not unusual. I have studied pheromones and pheromone users a long time and I am not saying he is crazy or lying. They are just not something he can use comfortably. This is why I posted instruction as to what to do for him.
This is not the first time I have seen this and each time I proved to them it was all in the mind not a biological effect.
Funny thing about the sense of smell. You can reset it. Fresh coffee grounds will do this. Perfumers and scientists who are exposed to chemicals all day every day use this trick. Just open a can, stick you nose up to the can and inhale for a minute of so and this resets it.
And here is where you OCD is showing. Pheromones are not drugs. They are natural substance all of us secrete. Using synthetic mones just gives you control of the signal. It doesn’t create something that doesn’t already exist in every single mammal.
You have a brain blood barrier. They dont enter the blood stream they just trigger the neurotransmitters that are already in you.
If you ingest them then thats another story but in the air they are the same as smelling naturally secreted mones. You will come in contact with just as much anone in a mens bathroom next to the urinal as you do wearing them. You just recognise it now.
Ultimate, I dont think your crazy or mental or anything of the sort. I think your nervous about mones and the unknown and that nervousness is manifesting itself with these symptoms. Be honest with yourself. Did you read the forum and see some of these symptoms before you experienced them ?
Tisha