New Phero User's Fun Story and Dilemmas

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports
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Jasmin implored me to post, so here goes. After finishing this post I realized I cover a lot, so I’ll summarize the main topics here - post begins below:

Human detection of pheromones
First results and further testing
Relationships
Looks and weight loss (I know how to lose weight, but I could use some supplement tips if anyone has)
Revealing pheromone use
Helping an awkward friend
Non-sexual pheromones
Combos

I’m a 22-year-old guy attending college in NYC. My discovery of human pheromones took place in the last few months. Here you’ll find my story and some of my thoughts. See the end of this post for the main topics.

A friend of mine (we’ll call her “Jane”) has an extraordinarily strong sense of smell. For example, she could tell during the afternoon if a guy had been in a room the night before. Now Jane happens to live in an apartment with a girl I’ve been seeing off and on (now on) for about a year and a half (we’ll call her “Lisa”). About 6 months ago Lisa remarked that Jane could smell pheromones. I was intrigued; I knew human pheromones existed but had thought they weren’t really relevant to human attraction. However, Jane claimed she smelled pheromones when a couple was “clicking” and she could tell when one party wasn’t interested. Naturally, I asked her for advice on fragrances. She recommended Armani Mania as her favorite cologne and Realm, which she knew contained pheromones. I don’t know why I didn’t do any further research, but I ordered some Realm and was pretty pleased with it. It gave me a little buzz and Lisa certainly liked it a lot. Once I asked Jane if she could smell the pheromones in the Realm I was wearing; she said she couldn’t.

About a month later I read about the Androstedienone/VNO study; I immediately Googled Androstedienone and was thrust into the online world of pheromones. I found Love-Scent’s site before this one, and read all their resources and decided to give some of their products a try.

When I first tried them Lisa and I were going through an “off” phase, but we missed each other, so I decided to pay her a visit one evening. I decided to use some Scent of Eros (like Instant Openness with A314) and a tiny bit of The Edge (primarily -none) covered with Armani Mania, which Jane had recommended and I knew Lisa loved.
The results were outstanding! Within minutes of entering her room, Lisa was all over me. Indeed she had missed me, and this probably would have happened anyway - it had before. But this time, it was different. She completely let her guard down, not letting our vague status get in the way of the fun at hand, which it often did. She also became much more aggressive than usual - even sniffing my neck exactly where I had placed the SOE. “Aw man, is this even fair?” I thought, almost laughing. This was explosive stuff.

Since then I’ve discovered what she’s responsive to. The pheromones don’t make Lisa attracted to me, but they certainly loosen things up. Our relationship has strengthened, but sometimes I wonder how much is being driven by the pheromones.

I’ve noticed effects on lots of girls. I’m not sure that I’ve had any “DIHLs” but I know that on a large dose of SOE and/or Chikara I’m much more likely to make and hold eye contact with women, and I often feel a positive response. At one party I got two definite hits, one with a girl whose boyfriend was rather far away. Nothing came of it, but I had her undivided attention for a while, with more casual touching than I usually get.

I also know I can OD with -none easily, and I get jumpy and irritable when I use more than a drop or two of NPA. I’m not bad looking, but I’ve been overweight all my life. Having had the experience of fluctuating weight, I know being slimmer gets me more attention from girls. But pheromones have more than made up for that difference. We don’t need this to be a thread about looks (there’s already one going strong) but I can testify that being fat need not be a barrier for guys (although I really don’t like being fat, and will go through the arduous weight-loss process once again. Maybe someone could recommend an appetite-suppressing spray or pill. Hoodia didn’t work for me.)

A few weeks ago at a party Jane asked me, “are you wearing the spray?” I replied with a smile, “can you tell?” I was wearing SOE and Chikara; she thinks it’s the Realm; she has no idea about the availability of human pheromones from places like Androtics and Love-Scent. If I tell her, she’ll realize I use the products, and might end up telling Lisa. Now Lisa knows I used Realm (which she supposedly contained pheromones), and was quite OK with it. But the products on this and other sites are so much more powerful. At this point (I’m still with Lisa) I don’t think I should tell either of them anything. What do you think?

A friend of mine (we’ll call him “George”) who’s rather awkward socially also knows Jane can smell pheromones. I gave him a packet of SOE to try; interestingly, he claims it calms him down and gets rid of anxiety. I’m looking to help him out with the ladies. He has confidence in business affairs but never with girls. George has certain mannerisms that are a bit off, and sometimes doesn’t know when something he says is inappropriate, but he’s a good conversationalist, certainly not ugly, and definitely has potential.

My first Androtics order consisted of A314 (I’m very interested in this as an everyday pheromone to use), To-Go bottles of Instant Openness and Instant Shine, and TAH, TAF, and P79. I’ve had some very, very lucid dreams when using Chikara, which has an unreleased formula, and to a slightly lesser degree with SOE, and I’m intrigued as to what’s causing them. I just placed the order last night, so I’ll update you when I receive it.
Oh, and one thing I almost forgot to mention: I have tried Androstedienone. It smells similar to -none (or at least like NPA, which perhaps contains dienone as well), so I can’t use so much of it. It doesn’t cause the same kind of aggressiveness, and it seems to have a slight attractive effect.
I also have plenty of SOE, NPA, and Chikara left. Any suggestions for combinations of my growing library of pheromones?

I hope I haven’t addressed to many topics with this post and I presented my thoughts in a relatively organized fashion. I realize I jumped around a bit; feel free to address any or all of this post when you respond.

This forum seems a lot more lively than Love-Scent’s, so I expect some interesting feedback.

-Buzz

Androstedienone on her period - a direct hit?
Number of morbidly obese growing rapidly
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hey Buzz - great post! So here’s a question - is Jane at all affected by your pheros?

as for weight-loss - weigh-training dude - that and a clean diet will do more for you then some appetite suppressing pill.

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Yeah, I did weight training and 1-2 hours of cardio every day two summers ago, and I lost 30 pounds. The summer before that I did a similar regimen and lost 25 pounds. Last summer I only lost about 10 because I wasn’t at the gym every day.

I think Jane is affected; but she can probably tell what’s causing her reaction. She once said (half?) jokingly she was getting turned on. She’s not really my type though - and her sense of smell is waaaay too sensitive.

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very cooool, Buzz…
you have an excellent atmosphere or “situation” for testing.

your an excellent writer too, so it was easy to see what was going on.

i dont think being persuasive is the same thing as tricking someone;
leading someone to a conclusion still allows them an out if they want it,and id rather be persuaded to uncontrollably sniff someone than to have a day like every other day and not fully engage in life at all, which is what busy people tend to do.

BTW, keep us updated with George; that could get interesting as well :slight_smile:

when i begin to think that using pheromones may be too persuasive, the imediate thought i get is that we as a society are very cut-off from eachother and seperate.

i think its more natural to want to hug when someone feels bad, or hug when someone feels anything.

i think its natural to touch when talking, and i think its natural to be flirtier than UNflirty.

wearing pheromones brings us back to natural for me, as opposed to bringing about something that shouldnt be…its bringing about what would normally be there if we didnt have so many damn hang-ups!!!

i think we are more loving than we allow ourselves to be, more intuitive and even more promiscuous, but then we create rules that change with generations as to what is appropriate.:frowning:

then come along us pheromone wearers…:open_mouth:

behind us is the smell of earthy and natural;
the sounds of moving classical music genius or
Kiss’s “Lets Put the X in Sex” :smiley: …(or EMO if your into that)

and suddenly everyone has to try harder to remember what the rules are -
AND
if your lucky enough to come across the quality of androtics, the rules wont come up at all :open_mouth:

i cant even wait to hear your posts after trying the stuff here

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Good posting. However, I do question this statement. The only information I have ever seen on NPA is that it is ~None and “undisclosed secrets”. Where did you see that it contains ~dienone?

By the way, welcome.

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Oh, I was only remarking on the similarity of the smell. I don’t have any pure ~none products, so I can’t compare.

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Try mostly sit-ups and push-ups with occasional walking and weight-training. The reason for the sit-ups is because the abs are the most-used muscle during sex and have the most to do with how long you last in the sack. Also, the abs are probably the most stubborn spot where fat collects. The push-ups because they’ll tighten your pecs and get rid of any “man boobs” if you have them. The walks give you some cardio and work your legs and thighs. The weight training doesn’t have to be that heavy. You’d be amazed what you can do with just a 40 lb. armbell. As for supplements for loosing fat, I’d say Hydroxycut Hardcore is the best one that I know of. You can find it at GNC. I’ve lost over 25 lbs. in a month off of Hydrocycut. If you are looking for something cheaper, you can buy Relacore at wholesale wharehouses like Sam’s and Costco’s for a discount rate. From what I and several people I know have experienced, Relacore averages maybe 10lbs. of weight loss in a month. Also, drink lots of water and get a fish oil supplement. If you really want to drop wieght fast while gaining muscle, cut your diet down to soy burgers, salads (without ranch), and protein shakes. Once you get your cardio right it is posible to drop 12 lbs. in one day (I used to do that for wrestling competitions). Its hard to start a routine like that but once you get used to it, you don’t miss regular food and you look forward to excercising. Hope this helps.

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Realm has only trace amount of pheromones (estratetraenol). The amount is so small only a bloodhound would notice…

With that said, if you like Realm’s scent, it dresses up well with a few supplements. I used to premix it in an atomizer with 4 parts Realm to one part chemset androstenone (or NPA sometimes) and 1 part A-1. I’d top off the bottle with a couple drops of clove and pine EO (to increase the cover and enhance scent). I got lots of compliments from women about the scent. I eventually stopped because even small amounts of clove and pine gave me a skin rash, and Realm was too weak to cover the androstenone.

I’ll echo Jim’s statement about NPA. Unless you have some insider information, nobody knows what the second pheromone in NPA is. A-1 is mere speculation. Some have thought the piss-like smell in NPA was due to A-1 but, as a long time user of NPA, I haven’t noted any reactions consistent with an A-1 presense.

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I agree with most of it but seriously I use to Wrestle and dropping 12 pounds in one day it is physically impossible (unless you get some lipo!! hahhaha) anyways not trying to say that I don’t believe you and no offense but 12 pounds WOW! you have to be a freak to do that!, anyways just so every one knows to lose one pound of FAT you would have to burn 3,500 Calories, the average American consumes 2,000 Calories per day so if you were to try to drop 12 pounds in one day you would literally; not have to eat for 24 hours and on top of that you would have to burn:
42,000 Calories in those 24 hours <-------IMPOSSIBLE!!! not only because you would be tired as hell when you reach 4,000 Calories but because your body would not be able to function properly any more because it does not have an adequate source of energy nor its getting a relevant amount of water which leads to heat stroke, and then you die!. hahah!!

Water adds weight because your muscles are 80% water, and you lose water along with a depletion of potassium when you do cardio. I do believe that you might have lost those 12 pounds in a combination of burnt fat, perspiration (sweating water by cardio and maybe a sauna), urine and or excriments.! once again not trying to start anything but I guess thats probably what happened.

For all of you that are trying to drop some pounds I do recommend what GodHand said use Hydroxycut Hardcore and his work out program is a good start I do have so say that if you want to stay healthy I suggest to keep it real!! That is 1-2 pounds per week. Your goal should be to burn 500 Calories of what ever your daily need is. For example if you need 2000 Calories per day go for 1,500 instead. You can do this by cardio or simply cutting out that twinkie you always eat for breakfast, a combination of both would give you better results. Like Pheromones its different for every one so you might want to contact a doctor first or you can PM me and I will help you out.!

One last thing to add:
*1g of Fat is equal to 9 Calories.
*1g of Carbohydrates is equal to 4 Calories
*1g of Protein is equal to 4 Calories

Calories in one twinkie is 150 in total; you would need to run one and a half miles to burn up the twinkie!!!

Sorry guys if I got out of subject here, but I had to say that burning that much amount of fat is unhealthy and impossible. Just watching out for all of you thats all! And GodHand don’t take this the rong way your my wrestling partner and I respect all of you!! :cool:

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When I did that, it was a one-time thing in order to get into a certain weight class before a tournament. All I had was a little bit of water and sugar-free chewing gum. I alternated between working out on weight machines, eliptical runner, swimming laps, and the excercise bike (on top of my normal morning ritual of push-ups, sit-ups, and arm curls). Also, I was living on campus in a dorm right next to the gym. A good part of it probably was dehydration. I immediately ate a foot-long sub and a big bottle of Gatorade right after the weigh-in. I was also in better shape than most people back then. I had washboard abs with veins popping up all over my body. I really should get back to that weight…

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haha Carmine got it exactly right! You can lose weight without working out/exercise… just make sure to eat 500 or so calories less than your basal metabolic rate (maintenance calories)
and remember… if u wanna put on muscle… never starve yourself or watch ur calories and eat like 500/day or something.. your body will go into starvation mode and the first things to go will be lean muscle mass… only after that’s all gone will ur body start to burn fat… so… do it the clean way :wink:

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yeah but if you do it that way, you come out just looking like smaller version of your fatter shapeless self.

this is why the weight-training rocks hardcore - you can actually change your body shape, by building muscle, and targeting fat loss as opposed to general body-size loss.

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I have to say congratulations because that is hard hard hard to accomplish most I have lost in 24 hours of running, sauna, and bike has been 7 lbs and half of that I have to say it was mostly water!!! Right now I am taking Cyclin along with redline drink, I am 6% body fat. Cyclin works great for me to rebuild muscle tissue and redline is to go down to 4% body fat to max out muscle definition. I have a body building competition in July and I have to say the only unhealthy thing about what I am doing is the 48 hours before the competition of dehydration to get rid of water pockets in the muscle and sugar OD to get the vains to pop up. When I did this last year I passed out hahahahahahah, I don’t recommend it for anyone unless you are getting payed if you win!

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yay! a Competitive BB-er! what weight class?

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Right now I am trying to stay under 153 so I can be counted as a Lightweight
Thats because I still don’t have the “goods” to compete in the Middleweight, 154 to 176.:smiley:

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yeah I understand. And it just gets tougher. A friend of mine is 6’2 and competes in heavyweight. And it’s tougher for him, because he’s naturally heavier, but when you gotta go up against the mass monsters, you gotta do the necessary.

I’m sure you’ll get the goods to compete middleweight as time progresses. You gotta share pictures from the comp - i’d love to see them! you got your routine down?

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I would love to send you pics as soon as I get a scaner. As for the routine its a working progress I still need to work on showing
abs along with legs <----Very difficult!!!

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I got one. I was at the beach today, bought some ice cream and then went to get some more. The second time round the HB 7.89 behind the counter was smiling at me a lot and i’m thinkin “yeah i’m in there” Turned out i had some ice cream on my beard.

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how do you rate woman to the hundredth’s place? I don’t get u…

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The rating system? It was developed while i was at high school, the basic principle is the fact there are over 2 billion women on the planet and you can’t just rate them 1-10. Too many would fall into the same category and you can’t have a perfect 10 just like you can’t reach warp 10 in Star Trek. I take into account all the variables:
Hair
Colour of Hair
Style of hair
Eyebrows
Fingernails
Shoe size
Shape of face
Teeth
Proportion
Fat around the waist
Fat around the thighs
Breasts
Hands
Eyes ( colour, size, shape )
Smile
Posture
Legs
Thighs ( Tone and Size )
Freckles ( some it’s sexy, some its off putting)
Nose
Ears
Flatness of stomach
Curve of calf muscle
Voice ( Husky scores high for me )
Fingers ( long fingers are off putting )
How she presents herself
How she walks
Accent
Use of language ( I hate slang )

These are just the first encounter things i look for. Ovbiously you’ll pick up on other things if you engage her in conversation and give points accordingly.