Oh I agree I would like to hear it as well because it will be interesting info for my research at least and I will get to see if what I was told verbally coincides with what they are saying now.
As you know I don’t just test on myself like a lot of members. I have a line up of about 25 people who share in the testing experience with me. Two of my female testers with P80 reported some PMS like feelings with it and this would explain a lot about that. Could be that whatever molecule this is it may be the one responsible for those effects in women.
You know, P80 really was the key molecule that put the fireworks back into my sex life by ramping up my desire and the intensity of my pleasure to such a high degree.
Although I only use a small amount, it is the key molecule for my romp mixes.
I’d love to see more women testing this molecule and it would be a real shame if they were inhibited from testing with it because of believing it is an androgen-derivative rather than an estrogen-derivative molecule.
Whether it is an androgen or an estrogen doesn’t matter to me because it is a gem either way.
p78 majorly in love with p78. Diane you were right about the p74 with me gave it a run major super bitchies. P83.. I’m not sure whats going on with p83 but it seems to have a distancing effect with men on me which is odd.
Tisha you’re very much correct p78 has an anol type of vibe but seems less manic to me.
Wildflower baby if you wanna try p78 give it a whirl
Then I couldn’t call it blind testing could I ? LOL I just give them a bottle with no label and ask them to try this or that out for me and tell me how they feel and any reactions they may notice. I have asked Mare and Greg to both pop by when they have a chance though.
Yes I remember that from your sex mix a few months back. I haven’t hit on a dose that does that for me with P80. How much are you using normally ? I really wish it was a Gem for me but I guess its just like P83. That one gives you some trouble but I love it. Some things don’t mesh with our natural chemistry’s which is why I think its gonna be tough for Catlord to come up with something that will fit a majority of the women. It seems to happen more with the women then the men.
The PMS irritability had me little stumped and thinking “none like” especially because the men are getting the respectful alpha vibe wearing it but if it is a estrogen derivative it could explain that and get us closer to the answers Lor was asking up in her journal.
Its good either way for me to but like you said… knowing is better.
By the way How are you coming along since your surgery ?
Well, yes, the variability factor is one of the tough things about most pheromones, and why I think customer support is so necessary. I think eventually, if studied enough, what you will find with pheromone effects and their difference is an underlying genetic difference in receptor morphology, and reactivity.
Actually, I’m confused about the PMS thing, you keep saying regarding estrogen. Estrogens are normally calmative and sexual for women.
Although the causes of PMS are not clear, it is during the time of the drop in Estrogens and when estrogen stops being made that PMS symptoms are worse - the two weeks prior to menstruation - and PMS is usually non-existent during the first half of the cycle when estrogens are on the rise.
I’ve never heard of someone getting PMS from estrogen, only from it’s drop or lack.
After a week I’m finally out of pain, and still waiting for a call back from the hospital. That could take another week.
I have the swine flu, so intermitent fever, GI tract symptoms, and a cough from hell that seems to get better, then come back with a vengeance.
Good thing you’re a little ummm “mature”, we just had a 20 year old girl die from it. Like the 1918 Spanish flu, it seems to do the most damage to the young during the initial run.
Personally I’d love to see a mix that is sexy and seductive at the same time as it’s a bit fun and sprakly. Not too overtly sexual, and not too much cute & cuddly bonding but somewhere in between
I’d probably include
Cops (lots of it!)… yeah, that’s a given I know
Meo-EST & P83 for that happy sauce effect
EST to make the guy a li’ll more protective than just thinking with his smaller brain
Well, so far it doesn’t seem to have mutated to the deadlier form. So far from the reports I’ve seen people of all ages are dying in small numbers. And they each have had an underlying medical problem.
With the deadlier form, you get a immunologic storm - with total systemic collapse. That hasn’t been seen with this iteration of the flu - yet.
Di, That’s terrible. I hope you called your doctor. Your just recovering from your surgery which could have made you more susceptible to it. Your up and about so that’s a good sign.
What I meant by PMS like is not the bloating and cramps but the anxiety and agitation. This is what they reported. I am not a doctor and I am just discussing possibilities from things I read in researching other molecules.
My MD always told me when I was on the pill which was mainly estrogen that I could lose my sex drive and I did. So while its sexual in nature derivatives may not be. She had to change it three times before I could find one that didn’t do this to me. I didn’t have agitation though like Mare and Jane do with P80 and I don’t have agitation myself unless I wear to much I do get the “I am sparta” effect you reported though.
I did stumble upon this article which could be useful in figuring it out. I have a few bottle so I may need to test some more.
I started really low, 2.5 mcg… I got effects at this low dose.
I eventually tested up to 25.0 mcg.
For a while I was applying it separate from the other molecules at 5.0 mcg. At this dose (sprayed on after a meo-est/taf/betanol/P102/P103 mix) was my best effects… tons of excitement. And 5.0 mcg is still my favorite amount.
As for P83, wearing it alone, I had no problems. Looking back over my journal it was only in combination with Edge (androstenone) or P80 that the over the top irritability and frustration was a problem. I have not gone back to retry this molecule without the other two, yet. I did get a good desire response from my husband on numerous occassions with this molecule (P83). But it was the pissiness and unexpected irritation/attacking from my husband that drove me away from it. I don’t see that with P80 at all.
Does anyone have a “pounce me” mix? 2 year anniversary end of this month with the bf and I want to spice things up.Drive the boy wilder than usual ectra.Something very primal.
Cops alone has him rolling around on the bed and snuffling me like a cat with catnip but er doesn’t go anywhere actually whats interesting is if I try to initiate while wearing cops he backs off.
He’s a bit..Repressed in general.Can’t really talk about sexual things without getting embarrassed ect.
I kind of want to get a vibe like when we first met and we were all over each other like rabid bunnies.
It may actually have been the ratio of progesterone to estrogen that was the problem with your pill. That is the more likely scenario. When I first went on the pill a long time ago (1978 - woo, boy!) they gave me a very, very high estrogen dose pill. The only side effects I had was it totally screwed up my cycle for years.
I get a little sick if I wear 25.0 mcg or more of P80. It’s hard to describe the feeling… kinda just a little “not right.” At higher doses I didn’t get more aggressive, or more of anything really, just that slight feeling of unwellness.
From the article linked above (bold are my comments - I removed the bits where the effects were not specified):
Wow this part of the article was intriguing:
And this:
That might indicate an underlying genetic difficulty with estrogen or estrogen pathways.
I think when trying to design a mix for a specific effect it is important to really think about what you want those effects to be on your intended target guy.
So, first, I’d sit down and really try hard to remember everything about the way he was when you first met. What characteristics (all of them) do you want to recapture? Those responses are ones you want to stimulate.
And then think of the way he is now. What is different? What do you want to change? Those responses are ones you want to depress or inhibit.
And then the hard part of testing and observing happens… some molecules have different effects on different people.
For example… TAF… for some people it has social anxiety relieving effects… ; for others it causes fight-or-flight or startle response…
Another example is P79… at low doses it can be an intensifier and a real kicker… ; at too high a dose or in wrong combination it can easily high-jack a mix and produce unintended consequences.
You will have to test each component to know what the effects will be. And then some effects are dose dependent. You will have to test to find out the optimal range for each component. And in a mix some components will act differently… so each mix is still an unknown.
I’m particularly interested, personally, in fine tuning mixes for desired responses, so a lot of my testing is geared towards that.
p78 majorly in love with p78. Diane you were right about the p74 with me gave it a run major super bitchies. 
Di, That’s terrible. I hope you called your doctor. Your just recovering from your surgery which could have made you more susceptible to it. Your up and about so that’s a good sign.
I don’t see that with P80 at all.