A314 is absolutely awesome. One of the great properties of it is that it works for a very long time after application (seems like the whole day to me). Many users like to brighten it up with Instant Shine, Instant Openness and a few others of the Instant Line products. Adding some of those pheromones to a new version of A314 may or may not be a good idea, because it’s useful to be able to set the balance between bright/happy and serious by yourself, much like TV sets come with adjustable brightness.
So here is my suggestion: How about making the most common products of the Instant Line available in an oil base for slow release? This way they should keep as long as A314 and one would not need to worry about reappyling after 4 hours or so. I assume the oils would need to be pretty concentrated since 1 drop of oil must contain at least as many pheromones as 2-3 sprays applied over a period of time. Is it possible? It comes to my mind that some of the molecules would not keep as long as the stuff in A314, even in oil?
Oh, with an oil base for slow diffusion, you could not call these product variations “instant”. And who wants to buy “slow” products? I am sure you would come up with a good name!
Hi, Sunny. You’ll be happy to know that’s already in progress.
Even with our diffusion modifications, oils do act different than our sprays. We plan to just take out the name “Instant”.
Keep in mind that you can’t dose an oil product as you can a spray. The “margin of error” is higher with drops, since it depends on how hard you squeeze and even your relation to sea level. We also can’t update formulas nearly as often, as we make them in larger batches. Oils may last longer (a good benefit), but they’re less ideal in almost every other way.
We’re also considering a smaller bottle size, because most oil products sell to Asia, and they want less expensive products. The current size locks it into being more expensive (even though the current oils are underpriced). Unfortunately, we haven’t seen bottles that are much smaller that don’t spill easily.
We want to give people what they want, but we feel responsible to take care of the details that they don’t know to ask for, as well. It’s a tough balancing act.
@Jasmin
Much thanks for your efforts to cater to customers from Asia. It is much appreciated. We don’t get such service elsewhere
Personally, I’m not proficient with the stopper bottles at all. Any size dropper bottles are good for me. I’ve seen some standard 5ml dropper bottles (shorter but larger diameter), or those tall & smaller diameter bottles like the ones used on AE/m or EoW. Some have really tiny dropper glass tips too.
IMHO, any veteran pherouser should have both versions (alcohol & oil). This allows the flexibility to cater to different circumstances.
Without a doubt, I’d be interested in oil based versions, such as TUTH, IO, IH, IFM, etc., with very light or no scent, so I can dose up and down, and not worry about the scent overbearing.
Maybe 15 mcg per drop, and 10ml would be probably best (5 is too small, 30 is too large in my opinion for an oil product).
I actually like the plastic dropper thing, A314-like, more than the RP glass dropper. May run a little, but more user friendly and spill-resistant.
As for the roller tops. I use them a lot, inconsistant yes, but very easy and the most handy applicator. A challenge I know, but I hope there is an answer (hint !).
I feel this is too little. If you get good results from one 15 mcg spray, you must keep in mind that those 15 mcg are diffused over 3-4 hours. If the oil would be three times slower in diffusion, your results at any given time would be only a third of the spray. So you need the oil to be three times more concentrated for same results.
Okay, in reality it is certainly much more complex. Diffusion rate is not linear, different molecules having different weights etc…
Hey great to hear this too!
The 15ml bottles are very nice I think.
I do not mind the price really as long as I’m getting quality products.
No problem at all man.
Will get them once they are released too!
While Instant Shine seems to disappear pretty quickly (the scent and the pheromones), I can smell the pheromones of Instant Female Magic for as long as 10 hours. I don’t have enough experience with it to be able to tell if it works that long, but I have some evidence for it.
Could it be true that Instant Female Magic spray works for at least twice as long as Instant Shine?
my solution has been to make a mixture of monolaurin, a waxy coconut oil derivative that is very good for the skin, dipropylene glycol or A314 depending on the combo, and the pheromone liquids as shipped… at the proper ratios, monolaurin will form a slushy paste that can be rubbed into the skin with no irritation (monolaurin is present in human milk and has significant anitbacterial properties, many cosmetic formulas include it to preven mold growth)… I have noticed that the glycol/monolaurin colloid has an excellent steady state release over several hours then tapers down to a nice “background music” level of pheromonal action… this is now my standardized delivery system… non-staining, odorless unless a fragrance is added, and actually makes skin feel soft and velvety…
Wow tacitus, you get rep points from me
You really seem to know what you are doing! Where do I get this stuff? Or should I better wait for the new products from Androtics?
Hi folks from Sin City 11/20/06 @ 2:00PM Traderneil
This is a very good topic..Here is my Question Is there a way to Mix an Oil based product and a Spray Mix together???.. If you blend oil and water together they seperate the oil stays on top and water stays below but when you shake like a bartender they both blend together beautifully so you would be able to spray it as a combined mix.
The spray process is my favorite because of ease of use.
Suppose now that you increase the strength of the spray product and then combine it with an oil product in a good spray bottle.. You Shake it
Nuke Yourself Once or Twice… and Baby Let the Good Times Roll…no fuss no muss no contamination (as with roll ons)…small bottles, more potent a good product at a good price How KOOL IS THAT>>>
Jazmin & Michael I volunteer to be the first tester of this product when you build(it ASAP I hope)…Traderneil
As jasmin said the margin for error is huge with oils, Dosages and ratio’s are different. Diffusion is different. I would not suggest trying this on your own with the alcohol products unless you have mones your willing to part with or are working with Raw mones.
Take for instance TUTH. You cant just mix it with oil and expect the same results you get with spray. The ratio and consentration of anone would be way way off and you would most likely not see results.
However from what I heard they are still looking into releasing some oils in different products. I believe its in the pre testing phase and if that go’s well there could be some products for us to test out in the future.
