Hey renny, Sherri obviously likes you. I guess this won’t evaporate just because you didn’t arrange to hang out with her yet. While you might be disappointed, she could be quite happy about the way things are going, and not even care that you haven’t tried to take it outside the classroom (yet). She probably has no clue that something went ‘wrong’. Who knows? She might take it further, or you might. Even if you think that you might freeze up again, one of the social pheromones might help you (Instant Honesty? He he…)
I don’t think you said what age she was, except ‘a bit older’ - early to mid twenties maybe? I guess it hardly matters, if she’s interested, and if it’s not a problem for you.
Flamingo, thanks, you are dead on about her point of view. There was nothing to suggest that she was expecting me to move.
This “freeze” however is my trademark. At one point in my life I had learned to move thru it. Then it came back. I doubt that pheromones can help. I’ve got to mentally reduce the importance of asking the question or maybe receiving her response. Stage fright is a similar thing. There is that singular moment when you step out and it’s just you and the audience, no podium, no notes, nothing but approval or disapproval. Then you put the podium and notes btween you and the audience and it’s over. From that point no heckler, no applause, nothing can throw you off. Simply a matter of crossing a line. Strange isn’t it?
I have exactly the same problem, in fact, so I know what you’re talking about. But it seems to me that Instant Openness or something similar might help me in a similar situation, either via self-effects, or by making the interaction more smooth and pleasant. But it’s really a matter or not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing; acting without ‘crossing the line’ and setting off the freeze response.
Although this problem affects me every now and again, I’ve found a useful tactic is to to let myself fail this way a few time; in other words, not to make a big fuss when I fail to act. Sounds counterintuitive, but the whole point is to not make a big fuss about the action, either way. You have to be careful, though. If you don’t eventually start doing ‘challenging’ things, you’ll just get used to failing (and not making a fuss about it). But it is a useful way to prime yourself to taking one of those scary steps.
Ok im forty and my ltr is in her mid twenties (pictured) one time we were sitting around with her twenty one year old friend when the subject of older men come up and whats the oldest they would go lol.They both agreed on around 48!
Your younger than that Renny!
Late twenties is absolutely fine …teenagers are another thing altogether i wouldn’t touch them with a barge poll.
I’m in absolute agreement with flamingo.Instant honesty and off to the cafe Renny.
My bad - I was confused about which one you were refering to or the age. I thought you were talking about the 18 year old. No problem with the late 20s. They are definitely old enough to know what they want or don’t want.
Heck yes. A couple shot of Ammo and Instant Honesty and off you go. If she needs a reference I will vouch for you.
I agree with flaming. I would RUN from an 18/19 year old coming on to me even if I were single. Or send them Gegogi’s way - lol.
Not much to report after Thursday’s class. I decided to just relax, pull back and take an honest look at how I felt. 2 drops A314 to back everybody up a step, 2 shots of ammo to make sure they didn’t back up too far, and 2x Instant Honesty to smooth the other two together.
The honest look revealed that I just can’t get past Sherri’s artwork. Girls put your tats on your butt, boobs, or hoo-hoo. Someplace a bikini can cover them. They can actually be sexy if they are tasteful. Don’t put 'em on your forearms. Especially don’t put your boyfriend’s name on your forearm so that when he become’s your ex boyfriend you have to tattoo an alligator over it to cover it up. OK never mind it’s your body. :o
Anyway next week I’m moving to the back table.
I mixed up a togo of nbully’s P74 + TAL super socializer. It should deliver 1 mcg TAL and 5mcg P74 per spray. He used it with A314 and so I’m gonna do the same. I’ll post the exact way I mixed it in the main forum after I test it a few days. Now lemme go see if I can the post I got that from and shoot him a few reps.
Hmm, weird class tonite. Very quiet mood. I was wearing 5 sprays of my P74 TAL mix, about 25mcg P74 and 5mcg TAL total, plus 2 drops A314 to balance the TAL. I have no idea if it was the pheromones or just a weird night. I went out for coffee and a sandwich (local cafe not a chain) after class and got excellent A314 style service (free chips, stuff brought to my table unbidden), but no real interaction with any of the other patrons. I haven’t seen this reaction from this combo before; I’ve worn it twice to work. Maybe I just got some of Bosshank’s “big drops” of a314 lol IDK.
Very distant respectful quiet vibe, and I was quite content to let it be that way. Maybe it’s the weather. We like to blame everything on the pheromix we are wearing and most of the time it’s just the way things are. I’ll try this combo again before I pronounce judgement. Meantime I think I’ll go phero phree until after the big exam Thursday.
why dont you try to get these women to come visit you at your shop? im thinking more along the lines of telling them what you do and maybe giving them an opportunity to come check it out while in the neighborhood. asking out for coffee is great, but it could be a lot of pressure for both of you as a first thing to do outside your usual meeting place (the class). Sherri could come in while you’re working and pretend to browse around (what do you sell anyway?). you can do your big boss thing with the customers, she could watch. she’ll accept you in another setting and relax. further settings (coffee) will then almost automatically be relaxed. it’s like, “i’ve already seen you how you really are, what’s there to be afraid of?” also back in class this wont have the potential on introducing any uncomfortable tension.
It’s a small town comrad, they know where my store is and I’m actually a little surprised that none of them have shown up to browse…lack of interest? Asking them to come by would seem even more awkward to me than asking them out for coffee. Thank you for the suggestion. I’m just letting myself get too closed off again. Old habits are hard to break. Like many other guys do after they find pheromones I’m waiting for them to do the work. I gotta step up. That’s all there is to it. Step forward, get shot, step forward again. Fear and expectation of failure, I know the drill all too well. That’s why I’m doing this. I will break the cycle.
Damnation! So we’ve got this exam. Now folks it’s been a while since I was in school of any kind. Back in the day though I ALWAYS finished tests before anybody in the class (at least after I went to public school ). So I’m thinkin’ this might be the perfect time to try and move into Laura’s frame of reference. I’ve basically been ignoring her, a quick smile/nod hello nothing to give any sign of interest. My plan was to finish my test and sit quietly checking my answers until she finished and turned hers in then as she left turn mine in and catch her on the way to the parking lot-nonchalant and slick as snakeskin.
Oh hell no, this chick blows thru the test in 3 minutes and flees. I’m sittin’ there on page 1 with my jaw hanging open. F%&K!!! This will not be borne. No mere chick gets ahead of me. If I have to study between classes, I will.
Anyway, after my little self pity party the other day, I decided to step up and get Double Your Dating. Guy’s if you’re into reading this kind of stuff you’ll like this book. Where TMM draws diagrams and espouses theory this book pumps you up and gets you ready to rock. If you don’t got it, get it. Great way to dispose of a Jackson or whatever 20USD is where you are.
On a phero note… I went phree yesterday but decided after I hatched my plot to try again with the P74+TAL mix. Same amount but switched out the A314 for 2xIG. That worked. Much more open and social. No free chips with my veggie wrap at the coffee shop though. I feel good though.
Yeah, sounds like a perfect plan, but an imperfect universe .
Interesting that you’re going after Laura now. Maybe the only choice, but I guess - given your (possibly accurate) perception of her as not the friendliest person to approach - that’s going to lead you into the whole PUA thing. While Sherri seemed to be approachable with just the natural or naive approach. Nothing wrong with DYD etc, if it works (might check it out myself)… but I can see the thick plottening…
PUA thing, no. It ain’t me. That said these guys do it all the time day in day out and they are putting their knowlege out there…I think MarkL has in his sig “bring all your tools”. That’s what I’m doing. Spanish class is a civilized way for me to find out what tools work.
Yeah, I that’s more or less what I was thinking: you’re bringing in this whole battery of extra techniques; It’ll get harder to see what’s because of the pheromones and what’s because of these other skills. That said, you should definitely use every (civilized!) tool at your disposal. I’m not lamenting the possible change, BTW, just noting it with interest
Wow! What can I say but wow. I know everybody’s seen the recent posts about -none and TAC based mixes. Most especially SteveO’s ICM 0.25.1a
Now I don’t have all the ingredients for that but I thought I might just improvise a little and get kinda close. In a to-go bottle I mixed 25mcg P74, 25mcg TAC, 25mcg TAL, 1 spray of 2X Ishine, 2 sprays CTTM2, and 10, UH YES, 10 sprays TUTH. I haven’t gone pherobomb in a long time and thought what the heck, I’m gonna shake something loose in that class if it kills me.
'Bout an hour before class I started spritzing (this was like half a togo), wrists, throat, back of neck. It took awhile for everything to dry down. Then I hit myself with a shot of my Sunday best cologne. I figured if Bois du Portugal can’t cover it nothing would anyway.
Got to class. Sat down. Looked up. Here comes Laura. She sat down right behind me! ( GULP!) (Do it dumbass!)( Three second rule!)( Be in the moment!). I spun my seat around around.
“Hey Brains, nice job on that test. Gimme 5, maybe some of your smarts will rub off on me.”
“Ohh, hahaha.” she giggled as she slapped my palm lightly.
“You must have had something important to do, the way you ran outta here”
“Yea, I kinda did my boyfriend had just asked me to MARRY him! LOOK!” She brandished a brilliant solitare in my face.
Now that should have freaked me completely out. Nope. I just went right on with the conversation. The rest of the class was a blast. I did note some flushing and other “pointed” signs of arousal in the women around me (all married, eighteen, or unmercifully tattooed).
So that’s the TAC. At least that’s the only thing I can figure. It just didn’t matter. Still doesn’t. It’s HILARIOUS. I feel like going to the biker bar and flirting with the crank chicks. TAC and -none together have potential. Just not in la clase de espanol. Oh, I got an “A” on the test.
I’d guess late 20s. Still a big age diff but not enough to engage the conscience.
). So I’m thinkin’ this might be the perfect time to try and move into Laura’s frame of reference. I’ve basically been ignoring her, a quick smile/nod hello nothing to give any sign of interest. My plan was to finish my test and sit quietly checking my answers until she finished and turned hers in then as she left turn mine in and catch her on the way to the parking lot-nonchalant and slick as snakeskin. 
I’m sittin’ there on page 1 with my jaw hanging open. F%&K!!! This will not be borne. No mere chick gets ahead of me. If I have to study between classes, I will.
I feel good though.