A long deep whoof of P80. Not as immediately specific or blast offish as the big guns of moneland… heady and stimulating in the verbal expressive tangent… somewhat in the wisdom/thought provoking zone of MEO-EST, contemplative perhaps ? Up contemplative versus Down contemplative… more afterglow than furious asspounding, I’m not gripped by desires, things sort of flow around me while my mind revs a touch higher, a bit more attentive… so far, a vote as a presence mone… a “state of being” refinement…
I’m pretty sure that I have no vameronasal organ. I only know that pheromones work because I see the responses in other people. I wish I had the ability to use pheromones on myself, especially to the extent of the last post or especially Jasmin’s posts.
in my early experiments years ago with highly concentrated pheromones I saw large divergences… I would have six or eight guys stand around and inhale directly from a cloth with a heavy application of pheromones… some would experience a near instantaneous, near orgasmic uplift, others would barely register… I did observe a distinct correlation between native sociability and pheromone response… in other words, those who were already plus sociable personality types had very strong additive responses, those who were neutral sociable would brighten up some, and those who were minus sociable, the very introverted, moderately dissociated types would have a small “bump” of social consciouness… now, who is to say what their internal experience as like… maybe that small social “bump” was a dramatic internal shift that didn’t register too much on the outside but had a powerful feeling component on the inside… anyway, this early work which I repeated many times over the space of several years in a multitude of contexts led me to a basic theory about human social functioning… that pheromone responsiveness is intimately connected to deeper layers of personality and socialization, it is impossible to say which is the chicken and which is the egg… probably the most sensitive pheromone responders are lso the most prolific pheromone generators… although some populations may be extremely crude secreters of pheromones, like a male prison population would be an ideal place to find massive concentrations of androstenone, there may be other types of people or in more nuanced settings where other classes of pheromones dominate that act as highly refined signaling agents… my working assumption is that the best fragrance chemists have intuitively converged on classes of molecules that act as synergists, or possibly molecular shepards, or another pathway of “aesthetic activation” which improves receptivity to socially clever pheromones… that leaves us with yet another thought… the funkiest, nastiest pheromones really hang around and scent mark with the tenacity of dog piss or cat piss with a kind of, beware little mammal, “this is my turf enter at your risk”… where, take note, the subtle, fleeting social messages have been engineered by evolutionary processes to make their impression on a specific target and then evaporate… and that makes direct sense because lowering of defenses, trust, bonding, frank communication, or simply “letting it all hang out” usually requires much context specific negotiation and agreement…a lot of these putatives and expermentals probably fit in the middle range of “intermediate term suggestives”…
Walking around baked in P80
Hit the streets with shnurts of P80 on the brain… I’m feeling male, groundedly, solidly male, like my male identity has turned up 2 or 3 notches… however, I’m not feeling childishly male, or petulant, or turfy/jerky, or pretend to be GI Joe in civvies who needs to eye fuck everybody in range to prove his dick exists… no… that is sad, very sad… like watching Ultimate Fighters beat each other to bloody pulps to be the king of which hill did you say ? No… that’s a weak male identity posturing like a strong one… compensating for a hoard of insecurities nagging away in the background…
Thankfully, P80 is the other kind of male strength, solid on its feet, appreciative without being possesive, no need to put on a show… a lot of pure being energy… almost you might say, a form of “law enforcement psychology”… very aware, very conscious of boundary, no acting like an idiot o.k. ? We know by now that that is a waste of precious life force…
Fortunately, research has suggested that the VNO is only 1 path the ~mones use. So having a completely destroyed VNO wouldn’t kill everything, though the complete loss of sense of smell would.
Studies have shown that people with no sense of smell have absolutely no sex drive. When the sense of smell was lost later in life either through illness or accident, even those with strong sex drives lost them.
On another note, “T’s” noting of feeling “maleness”, I wonder if that impression is given to surrounding people (especially females) too.
So P80 makes a man feel like a real man.
But does that change people’s perception of you as well?
The ever mysterious social validation feedback loop
therein lies many a great psychological mystery… I had the impression that my identity had had a perceptible shift, being that other people seemed to be taking me a little bit differently, although I felt much more centered than aggressive, this leads me to think there must be a layer of very subtle body language or minimal communication that even the “sender” isn’t fully aware of or in conscious control of… interesting about how some people don’t/can’t respond… there is an acting teacher I know, exceptionally good and well respected, however she appears to have strikingly little variation in her personality, always upbeat and constructive, and her face has a mildly “frozen” quality to it… it is like she was sexy once and now has a sexy surface with a not too responsive core, maybe she’s on one of these new fangled hormone products… they might have managed to screw people up in ways they can’t even conceptualize… Neo-Gland Pills for whatever ails ya… 
Hey Tacitus
How would you rate P80 as a business pheromone - say in low doses (5 mcg?) as an alternative to Androstenone or even A314? Or do you think that even at low dosages, P80 is a ‘-None like substance’ and too potentially problematic?
Visionary
Doh!
Um, you know that I’m spending quite a bit of time prepping just to play “king of the hill”, right? This sport is all about the journey, dude, not the destination.
I know this is an old post - but I’m giving you what little reputation points I have to give – very insightful – and helpful to me. Thanks for that.
thank you… that’s much too kind… and be careful getting you ass pummeled for glory… what they don’t tell you is the long term costs of soft tissue damage… they stuff that will keep lots of these manly fighters in physical therapy for years to come, mending muscle and ligament tears, fractures, neurologic damage… and ummm… regrettably, in some cases, varying degrees of brain damage… I mean, you see some of the roundhouse kicks to the temporal region these guys get popped with ? even soccer players are now known to have frontal lobe injury from heading soccer balls… only they couldn’t see it before high resolution MRI technology… oh, by the way, a top flight neurologist I know, a specialist in movement disorders, told me that Parkinson’s Disease and Parkinson like syndromes CAN result from head trauma… so, take up swimming or something non impactful…
As for pheromones… and all that entails… some of these putatifs seem to work best in loooow doses as a little sprinkle of flavoring, a few mu of p80 is all it takes, after that it feels “heavy”… same with good old P83… or P87 (which can make you sharp as a tack in a different way from out beloved TAF… it isn’t “zoinky” like TAF) or P88, which is like changing the tuning settings on you TV… meanwhile I’m going back to check on P81… and now Harris has dropped a few more in our laps…
I tested 50 mu of P101[a new supersecret putative only the Illuminati may posess, so great are its powers] on the subway… the car spontaneously burst into a chorus of OOOOOk-LA-HOMA!! (from the musical).. this was rush hour, you see… performed a well choreographed dance number with complex steps, furiously ate a basket of bananas, then sang the national anthem… quite inspiring… we all got off at Brooklyn Bridge and went our seperate ways, although about a half dozen supermodel type breathtakingly beautiful babes did fling their panties at me… that P101 is really something man…
I’ve come to the conclusion that anything worth doing is going to take its toll on the body somehow. Sheesh - I’m sure there’s a more eloquent way of putting that - sorry, multitasking…
Been on both ends of those kicks, and I have had more head injuries than I can remember. 
You’re tripping, right?
Yep, definitely tripping.
Hey - an idea - I’ll be in NY for New Years…a new thread…
“Pheromones In Times Square”? !
Add lots of happy mones to some fireworks and see how Times Square lights up, not just in the sky…
I am trying P80 with WAGG and TAK at the moment. Boosted with some Est from Realm Men for some kind of mood lift as WAGG and TAK aren’t exactly ‘super sunny’ mones either.
The theory is:
- P80 invokes (and indeed exarcebates my own) Clint Eastwood effect at higher dosages (higher doses being 10 mcg and over for this putative) - Tacitus has said it may invoke ‘serious authroity’, ‘eg. a colonel’;
- WAGG and TAK are both Clint Eastwood effect ‘destroyers’. I have a lot of experience with WAGG as well so I understand exactly what it does plus it has a good reputation at buffering nasty Androstenone side effects like aggression;
- The combination of P80 and WAGG/TAK should help to buffer against the negatives of too much P80 - P80 seems to make me very unapproachable when i wear too much.
So far after the first day testing result has been interesting. The Realm probably dominated the mix within 30 mins or so of application (I wear like 4 sprays at a time). After that I felt quite confident with P80 and WAGG, almost A314-like confidence, but that might have been because of leftover Realm. I felt quite unapproachable though when I added more P80.
Later in the afternoon, I tried P80 with added TAK. The result was interesting - I felt quite good. Definitely not as much respect as A314 though. Perhaps added in with the right pheromones, P80 could be a good addition to an ‘alpha’ mix without the distance that A314 may cause, especially amongst the younger crowd. I may try adding Androsterone to the mix too … WAGG + Androsterone + P80 may be next on the menu…
Visionary
I wonder if we could help discover any more super-secret putatives?
Perhaps they are ordinary substances just waiting to be discovered…
bump. learnt anything more on this front, herr doktor visionary?
Yes Quirk I did try this P80/WAGG/TAK combo - ‘the clint eastwood effect maker’ matched with the ‘clint eastwood effect destroyers’. Unusually for a ‘supposed heavy pheromone’, the P80 is dominated by high doses of WAGG (and possibly TAK). That is 3-4 drops of WAGG I find are sufficient to overpower the P80 even at high doses.
I don’t think P80 is in the same class as the better putatives (like P74, P79, P83, P93, etc.). It definitely seems to signal some kind of authority as tacitus says but I do find it kind of ‘one dimensional’. It’s like you have a ‘picture’ of a colonel - it is not something that is moving like an A314 or an Androstenone. It seems to make people aware that this is a high ranking individual (and too much may make them want to move away). But it won’t lead to increases of respect I find unless one keeps on spraying it very often (not too much at a time or people will want to get away).
tacitus has said a little bit of P80 adds something to intimate encounters (‘a clarity’?) and perhaps it does that. If one wants to get the high ranking individual aspect better out of P80 perhaps it needs to be matched with other ‘respect/leadership’ putatives/pheromones as well as a Clint Eastwood effect destroyer (like TAK or WAGG possibly). Anyway I won’t be doing a compilation on P80 or most of the other putatives I’ve tried - not enough data on the forum and they don’t really get me excited like P74, P79, P83, and P93.
-Visionary
Thanks for the feedback. Per tacitus’s suggestion I have taken to wearing P80 on and off at a 5mcg dose, but it’s too early for me to get a sense for what the impact is.
WAGG doesn’t really work for me…
What is WAGG, please?
It’s an L-S product..
It’s described as follows: “WAGG (“What a Great Guy”) was designed to create a nonthreatening aura of friendliness rather than the macho alpha image often reported to be causing problems for guys already a little heavy on the “lone wolf” or “Clint Eastwood” side.”
There’s also a WAGG-N version which adds some -none to the product..
http://pherolibrary.com/pheromone-guide/products/mens/wagg.htm