Has anyone (girls, I mean) tried P80? If so, what was your self effects?
I’ve been working with Warren on a new mix, based partly on my Perfect Hot Sex mix and on his Sensuality mix. Warren is the real expert on the P8_-series, from what I’ve seen here on the board, and he’s tested these pretty extensively. According to Warren, P80 adds a kind of visceral passion and desire in men.
I just got mine and just started playing with it a little. It may be in sync with meo-est’s sensual nature, or it may war with it a little. It is kinda early to tell, but it seems to add a bit of grounding to meo-est’s sensuality. So, yeah, kinda visceral and solid. It isn’t so dreamy in terms of sensuality as P103. And it feels a little restless to me.
I’d like to hear some other ladies’ experiences with it if you have any.
Okay, so I’m playing around with this molecule, with TAF, of course, and adding it to some mixes to get its signature.
According to Warren: “[P80] adds a sense of impetus and viceral desire without running away with it like P79.” Warren uses it in a 1:1:5:1 ratio P80:P83:P86:P87 in sensuality mixes.
I used it in a small dosage (less than 2.5 mcg) added to some mixes I’ve been testing. Here’s what I’m finding so far:
It does give a forward momentum to the mix. My husband was planning on coming to bed to read for a while. He threw his book on the floor and kissed me instead, leading to a pretty intense romp. So, at least my initial impression of effect, both on myself and my husband is that this molecule delivers, even at low dose, buried deep in a complex mix.
P80 definitely has a visceral, "I have to have you now**,"** devouring kind of feel in an intimate encounter. I don’t know about running away, but this is definitely a “I’m gonna fuck you so hard!” molecule, that sticks its head up out of the mix to surprise you with its intensity. It doesn’t maintain itself or become the dominant note, but it comes back at you again and again.
It has no intellectual component. It is a purely hot, physical molecule, with strong impulse to go forward. It is not a savoring kind of note, but more devouring and intense. While actively engaged in sex, it does overpower Meo-Est completely. But its character changes afterwards to give a kind of whole body, repeating rush of pleasure for hours. And the Meo-Est definitely is an appreciative component here.
From my notes: After sex, my nerves kept firing off pleasure signals for hours, at the oddest times. Thinking about a scene in a funny movie did it, as did taking a drink of cola. It is like any pleasureable sensation is magnified a thousand fold and carried through the body in a wave fashion. Definitely a nice journey.
It was so nice I didn’t want to surrender to sleep.
You rang? I saw this, was meaning to respond, and forgot. Then my dear friend, renny, reminded me. Hi ren.
For a little on P80, check out my * cough * report in the Ballroom -
and more here -
I’ll say!
P80 is everything you said. Grounding, visceral and solid…decidedly commanding, even forceful. Restless?..well there’s definitely an edge that comes with it. Wolfie wore it like a glove. No, there isn’t a whole lot of sensuality with that one. But sometimes that’s not what I’m looking for. Though it can be directed that way with other molecules as you well know.
Meo-est is on my next order for obvious reason. You can also soften the effects of P80 with P74, Est, a-nol, a-rone, P86 and TAH.
I love TAF and use just a touch of it social mixes. I primarily use it in sexual mixes, just lovely. Here -
Other observations on TAF/P79, among other things, here in Idle’s thread -
I find P79 to be particularly mood directed. So that’s always a consideration for me when using it. Sometimes it’s just better to leave it outta da mix.
A report on P79 -
As you’ll see in my P80 report I made the mistake of not only using 15mcg P80 but P79 was also thrown into the mix, unbeknownst to me, at the same time. Along with a lot of -none on his part ( ub…I shoulda known better ) and a load of cops on mine. Careful with mixing -none and P80 and/or P79. They play very hard together and fuel one another. Ouch.
P80 and P79 can actually work well together in a low dose. A solid push. How’s that sound Diane?
This sounds about right. I find putatives effects vary widely at different doses. Some perform better at higher doses and other are more effective much lower. For me P80 and P79 are much better at the lower end of the scale.
I’m often up for hours after one of these rounds. However, he’s definitely down and out for the count…zzzzzzzzzz…a smile on his face. Nothin’ unusual about that.
Well hope that’s what you were looking for, Diane, and that it’s of some help.
Oh, and if you hear any smackin’ it’s me hittin’ renny up side the head.
I’m going to take some time following these threads. Thank you, Bella!
But there’s just a couple of things here I gotta address:
The edginess completely turned into hard, forward momentum during sex… no mystery there.
Yeah, I just ordered another big bottle of Meo-Est. I’m a junkie for the stuff.
I’m trying to get away from all the “mental” pheromones for my sensuality mixes. P74 and P87 are both extremely mental for me. I do have a series of Morning Sex where I’m leaving some of these types of molecules in. But for those long evening romps I’m more enclined to want almost a hallucinogenic, but visceral effect, with extreme sensation (think riding a roller-coaster, with every sensation taking you to another place, another time, etc., but you are right there through all of it). I think I’m getting very close to what I want. I’m finding that meo-est, TAF, and P103, with a low dose of TAC in the sensuality mixes does really wonderfully magical things to your body during kissing.
I use TAF every day, no matter what the mix. I find it has so many good qualities, it wouldn’t seem right to leave it out.
Zomg! And you survived? Er… I should ask… And your house survived? LOL!
More like a hard lead and a solid push… on ice… on an inner-tube… on a steep hill. Sounds like fun!
Hmmm… well, I wouldn’t want to use P80 and P79 along with a lizard-like molecule like P87 at any dosage. But because P79 is such an interesting molecule, I will be taking a look at it again in the future - when I have the time! But P80/P79… yeah, that might be… interesting!
This was very helpful, and I’m sure the reports will add much to it. Thanks Bella… gonna rep you for this one.
I am a little confused but very intrigued, Now are you saying this is the reaction you got from your husband when you wore P80 or did you have him wear it ?
See P80 is a highly masculine, Its virile, Authoritive, makes a man feel like a man…Essence of men, On a women its going to send that signal or something close to it so I am surprised he was turned on by this.
When I used P80 I got more of a suspicious reaction from my husband similar to what men get when they used copulins around there wives. He smelled man on me and did not like it one bit. While warrens mix has one reaction when worn by men it shouldnt work the same way when worn by a women. Remember these molecule’s enhance what is already there. Send signals out about who we are.
Oddly enough my best friend who is a male had the same reaction and assumed it was not my husband. This made me wonder if there is a scent marking effect. Can a man tell which male you belong to in a clan from a pheromone that is left on us by our men. Self effects for me are a feeling of connection to the elements if that makes sense to you. A sort of grounding of self. But it feels to heavy to manlike for me to use on myself. Made me uninterested in having anyone touch me. I wish my hubby would try mones like Bella’s husband does. He is such a poop when it comes to that although he does see the effects when I am wearing them he still has no interest in them.
I think used in tiny amounts of maybe 1.0 mcg it can be very useful in a womens alpha mix something like MX134 or the old womens test alpha pack may have have it but as you move into higher amount on a women it drowns out the feminine aspects of a women. Defiantly a steering molecule for female mixes but not a molecule that I would use as a base.
Sorry for the double post. I was going over your post again and checking my data and I was thinking. Maybe he had a intense need to mark his territory so to speak. This is very interesting. Good job I wish I could give more reps LOL I will hit ya again later
I had P80 buried deep in a complex mix, in a very small amount. And yes, he did respond to it in a good way.
Yesterday evening, however, I did a little experiment with equal amounts of P80/P83/P79 (12.5 mcg), with TAF (10 mcg), adding in a little later meo-est and est (15 mcg each). He was very avoidant of me with this mix on. I don’t wonder about that. I probably came across as a bear.
But in a mix of about 165 mcg total pheromone, and the P80 content being just over 2.0 mcg in that mix is about right to give some additional forward momentum in his reaction when I wear it. P80 is a bit of an aggressive forward momentum, I’ll admit that much, but it is also attenuated quite a bit in the mixes I’m working on with about 10 mcg P86. I’m still tweaking. I’ll let you know.
My husband is just starting to have some fun with pheromones… thanks in part to Belle (love you, girl!) because I sit and read some of her posts to him. It usually starts with me gasping and saying something like, “Oh, my Gawd!” and of course that makes him really curious to know what I’m reading… so I share it with him, and we laugh together. He used to look at pheromones with so much suspicion, but even he has to admit how much our lives have improved since I started playing with them. And he knows how much I enjoy it. And it helps that he has a wicked sense of humor.
Excellant info diane, I was reading your other post on your “hot sex mix” which warren mentions is close to his sensuality mix. I am looking forward to more data. Women have not tested the “P80 series” of molecules much and its good to see you jumping in to it
Very inspiring.
I would nominate these threads for post of the month if they would add the button to the ladies section.
P80 is a distinctly masculine feeling molecule. It’s has a feeling and gives off a vibe of being in charge! Not only that you’ll do it my way and no lip! I don’t like the way I feel when wearing it myself. So, he wears it. Same thing with -none. A little teeny weeny swipe of TUTH on my wrists or a smidge of an Edge for Women gel pack is about it for me. They don’t call it Edge fer nuthin’. And TUTH? Uh huh…in my case it’s more like Burn Down The House. Yeah, I’m a fun gal. Funny thing, Wolf can wear a lot of -none and it doesn’t distress/aggravate me. Go figure.
Hmmm, that is interesting. The only thing I can think of, at the moment, is you smelled distinctly different. And not just from your usual scent and it somehow stuck him, literally, as masculine. Dunno.
Well, maybe Di’s husband likes/is used to the aggressive side of her sexually or period. Di? That could explain the attraction.
It’s kinda like the TAH/TAL thing with the boys, ya know? They feel the same difference, if that makes sense, with the pull of the feminine molecules. And what you say about enhancing what’s already there, so true, it works exactly that way for me. Hell, I already have enough trouble with aggressive feminine molecules. My husband gets put off with too much TAL. A little too much plain ol’ IS/A or TAL and…Yippers! I’m already excitable enough naturally…more aggression/aggravation I don’t need…lol…thank you very much. When I use IS/A I usually buffer it with something TAH based. On one vacation, when I used MX134, I scared the crap out of a young assistant hotel manager. Hell, that day, I scared Wolf! I only pull that one out when I really have to crack nuts and then it’s only two sprays buffered with Instant Honesty. God help them if I forget the buffers…and God, please save me from myself.
Also I don’t think Wolf, on the whole, especially likes that kind of vibe from me. Being a stong, assertive, independent woman is one thing but a too hard edge can turn him right off. He loves the *sexy-*aggressive vibe, you know what I mean, but also wants the feminine softness to go with it. It’s a delicate balance that I seem to be able to achieve, with or without pheromones. Wolf says I’m a combination of both at the same time…he calls me “a sweet little tuffie”…lol. The thing is, with the wrong mix or a too high dose of even one pheromone, it can go off track. That also means be careful when choosing what pheromones you’ll be wearing together, his and yours. As you can see from some of the * cough * mistakes I’ve made, but I’m learning!
That doesn’t sound strange to me, Tisha. It’s a ‘heavy’ feeling molecule that’s not easy to wear, even for a man, especially at high doses. There’s a definite grinding ( < I left that because it felt more a Freudian slip than a spelling error…lol), I mean grounding, with P80.
Another note about P80. Interesting also because, according to a post Jasmin made, it’s an estrogen based molecule. (I’ll dig around a bit and see if I can find that post.) Now GirlyQ’s…what do we make of that?
Poop is right. I wish Willy would too, Tish. I don’t know how Willy is but with Wolf, ANYTHING that accompanies the word SEX gets his attention. If I told him to smear himself with whale oil, 'cause it’s an aphrodisiac, he’d L K at me…then prolly schmear it on. I know…lol. He’s a sucker for sex. So, he’s game for just about anything that can get him more of it. BTW, I read this part to him before I entered it and said to him, “That’s true isn’t it?” And he said, " Eh..aaah…ya."
OK Tish here’s the plan….
I say, first, you douse yourself in cops…then wrestle him to the floor …spray the sh*t out of him with AMMO and then while the poor thing is gasping for air…lock the door. If he (correction, ahem, you both ) live through the night, it might be a go from there. Of course, if you send him to the ER, prolly not. I don’t know if we can trust you with a Willy full of AMMO.
It does seem possesive as well, Tish. Not only will he mark his territory, he’ll have his way with it too.
Yes dear, I can see how that would make you wooly.
I saw your other post on P80, P79 and P83. I’ve also used P80 with P79, P83 and TAF. I’ll head over there rather then post my comments here.
Di, when Wolf wears P80 we hold it at 7.5mcg and it still packs a wallop. Albiet a smaller one than the 15mcg dose that we combined with P79/12.5mcg that the..ermm..Adrmiral used * cough *. That’s still a lot more than you want/need. Girrrrl you’re a whirlwind! I think you’ve got The Phero Fever! It’s contagious ya know…lol.
Glad you guys have are having fun and it makes me happy if I’ve inspired you. Thanks for telling me that, Di. And yeah, I do quite a bit of gasping maself. :o
I can see where he has/needs a sense of humor, I mean being married to you and all…lol. Well, it should be easy to push him over the edge at this point. Anything I can do to help further the cause, just let me know.
You ladies are so awesome, I hardly know where to start.
So, I’ve been self, social, and husband testing the following mix the most:
14.2 mcg Est
14.2 mcg Meo- Est
4.8 mcg TAC
4.8 mcg TAF
2.4 mcg P83
1.2 mcg Beta-Androstenol
1.2 mcg P103 42.8 mcg pheromones
On top I put my regular meo-esty mix:
Dosage: 1 to 4 sprays
0.3 drop EOW
15.0 mcg Est
15.0 mcg Meo-Est
+2.0 mcg TAF
4 sprays cover scent w/dpg 32.3 mcg to 129.2 mcg pheromones
It’s a bit frustrating of a mix, because it makes me feel so sexy, but makes hubby mostly just a big cuddle bear… it kinda lacks consistent follow through, even layered with a ton of cops… heh.
The mixes I’m working on with P86/P87/P80 are a variant of the above, not a re-creation of Warren’s mixes. I will be posting those mixes when I get them nailed down a bit… they are not mind-blowing sex mixes so far, more like hard Sunday Morning romp mixes… totally different subjective experience.
Since hubby has such bad reactions to -none I had decided to leave it out of the mix and try P80… but I’m waiting for a few days for a new order to come in before I start testing 3 new mixes that contain P80. I want to try to lighten that heavy feel a bit… but I really like the aphrodisiac qualities it gives me, so, masculine pheromone or not, until I can get hubby to wear it… I’m leaving it in some of the mixes.
Yesterday, I wore the mix listed above… put it on in the middle of the day, like I usually do, before going out shopping with hubby for stocking-stuffers for the kids. He was all Esty-like, loving and sweet as usual. After I showered, and just before bed I reapplied one spray of each part. No action last night… ever notice how football trumps pheromones every single time? Anyway, I love the way the above mix makes me feel.
I woke up about 1:30 this morning. Hubby was snugged in snoring lightly and I decided to work out another mix on paper… As I was there working I remembered that I had some free sample Edge for Women gel packs tucked away somewhere. So, since it is nice and quiet in the house (other than hubby’s light snores) I decided to see if I’d get any self-effects from the Edge gel. I figured I could douse hubby in P74 if he has a problem with it in the morning. So, I found one of the samples and smeared the gel up both arms. Then I continued to work on my mix plan. After about an hour I still didn’t notice any self effects. Okay, well… so I decided to spritz one spray of the meo-est/est/TAF mix and go back to bed… it gives me wonderfully fizzy dreams.
But… omg… within 15 seconds of spraying on the mix my body was so freaking sexually hungry, I could hardly sit still. It felt like pleasure rushes in my belly and solar plexus… totally different from the heavy hungry taking feel of P80. I’m thinking this mix… the Edge gel and the meo-est/est/TAF… with the earlier application of all the other goodies… that might just require some spackling work later. If my sweet, dear husband would wake up long enough for me to ravage his body. Damn, he may need some repair work later, too.
Well, hell… now I gotta figure out a way to douse hubby in P74 and add that to the mix… oh, I wish I had more time for this stuff…
So, yeah, Bella, I’m a experience junkie. I’m an information junkie too. And I’m a cat on a hot tin roof. So, I guess I found the right hobby! heh.
Actually, estrogen is one of the major breakdown products of testosterone. When the brain’s hypothalamus tries to regulate a man’s testosterone levels, it does so not by measuring testosterone directly but by measuring estrogen (estradiol) levels. Not the way I would have designed it, but God didn’t ask me. Anyway, P80 from estrogen may not be so paradoxical afterall. And I wouldn’t be surprised if P80 is arousing for women, too.
Interesting that 7.5mcg is the exact amount I keep coming back to, as well – in spite of the fact that it’s a pretty inconvenient number.
That seems to be the concern with EST. The obvious choices might be P79 and androstenone, but I think they disrupt the sensuality we are looking for. Visionary seems to concur on the P79. I guess you are hoping that P80 will solve this? I think it should. I’m gonna stay tuned to find out what you discover, Diane.
Other possibilties might be adding more P83 or (very carefully) trying small amounts of P81. I experimented with P81 in increments of about 1.0mcg.
Diane, you’ve got TAC in your mix on the post above. Elsewhere you have used TAA in similar mixes. Which do you like better (for yourself/for your husband) and how do you experience the difference between TAC and TAA in these mixes?
That is because estradiol is also a feedback loop inhibitor, a very well-conserved and efficient switch mechanism. I think in men, this is its only function. In women it is also serves to turn on expression of certain genes.
Actually, in women, progesterone converts to both estrogen and testosterone. I didn’t find that P80 is an estrogenic molecule all that surprising. P80 is much more testosterone-like than androstenone-like. P80 is kinda like testosterone, Spartan style. What I probably shouldn’t find surprising about P80 is its male-to-male aversion characteristics.
Hmmm… I’ll keep that in mind…
I want to keep the Est, because hubby responds well to it. Without it, he can be a bit of a grouch… not very conducive to a loving atmosphere.
P79 is too much of a wildcard for me atm… but I’m not taking it off the table yet.
P80… well, hubby wants a to-go of something in his stocking… so, we’ll see. I might be feeling brave!
This morning I used the above mix, and tried an Edge for Women gel pack sample (Androstenone), and sprayed P74 all over the back of my head and back of my shoulders… that was AWESOME! Hubby was very aggressive in a very nice way, and the P74 steered everything really sweetly for him. And I didn’t get the cerebral quality I find so distracting from P74.
And, with meo-est in the mix, the androstenone ramped all my sensation into orbit. I really liked it. I may be putting in an order soon for a 5 mL androstenone… funny, cause this was one molecule that scared the bejeezus out of me when I first started out on this pheroswheel… and one I found I didn’t have much response to… until I added the meo-est…heh.
But, when we went shopping for stocking-stuffers later on for the boys, hubby was very protective of me, but at one point I thought he was going to kick someone else’s ass, literally. Course, the guy was an asshole and probably deserved to have his ass kicked. But hubby is usually much more restrained in his responses. He came out of it really quickly though, and said, “I wouldn’t have really kicked his ass. It is Christmas after all.”
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Hubby responds better to TAA than I do. I love the physical nature of TAC in this mix. I replaced TAC with TAA in a couple of mix trials, and I really missed the TAC. We’ll see.
I’ve only worn P80 a few times and don’t have much to add except that I would put it closer to the androsterone products I’ve worn like A314 and IG than the -none products. I’ve heard that the two flavinoids that flavor lemon and lime are mirror images of each other, with orange, grapefruit ect. filling the spectrum between them( i may not understand that exactly right but it serves the point). I wonder if P80 and androsterone are like that. Two ends of the masculinity spectrum. Neither one sexy per se by itself but striking a balance point between the two and seasoning with some of the more emotional pheromones like -none, -nols and TAA would produce a very magnetic mix.
In males a certain amount of testosterone is changed in the brain to estradiol. I think an enzyme called aromatase is the active enzyme in this process, and it is produced in the brain.
So, I’m assuming the estradiol stays there. The brain receptors for estradiol are modified androgen-type receptors.
Might Tisha’s P80 experiences above with her husband and best male friend be not so much a case of suspicion but rather a result of the ‘critical and cautious mindset’ created by this molecule?
tacitus (April 18, 2006):
“ P80… clever grace note
A long deep whoof of P80 . Not as immediately specific or blast offish as the big guns of moneland… heady and stimulating in the verbal expressive tangent… somewhat in the wisdom/thought provoking zone of MEO-EST , contemplative perhaps ? Up contemplative versus Down contemplative… more afterglow than furious asspounding, I’m not gripped by desires, things sort of flow around me while my mind revs a touch higher, a bit more attentive… so far, a vote as a presence pheromone… a “state of being” refinement…”
tacitus (April 18, 2006):
“ Walking around baked in P80
Hit the streets with shnurts of P80 on the brain… I’m feeling male, groundedly, solidly male, like my male identity has turned up 2 or 3 notches… however, I’m not feeling childishly male, or petulant, or turfy/jerky, or pretend to be GI Joe in civvies who needs to eye fuck everybody in range to prove his dick exists… no… that is sad, very sad… like watching Ultimate Fighters beat each other to bloody pulps to be the king of which hill did you say ? No… that’s a weak male identity posturing like a strong one… compensating for a hoard of insecurities nagging away in the background…
Thankfully, P80 is the other kind of male strength, solid on its feet, appreciative without being possesive, no need to put on a show… a lot of pure being energy… almost you might say, a form of “law enforcement psychology”… very aware, very conscious of boundary, no acting like an idiot o.k. ? We know by now that that is a waste of precious life force…”
tacitus (July 21, 2006):
“I’ve tested P80 by itself and P75 + P76 + P77 + P78 in a custom mix… P80 is strongly male although I do not think as erotic as P79 … at least in me it is significantly “male being” versus P79s’s “male doing”… there doesn’t seem to be too much to prove, you just kind of are male… although in a deep way… this may vary a lot when added into other things at minute levels… I feel really focused and clear and complely uninterested in dithering around…”
tacitus (November 18, 2006):
“interesting you noticed this facet of some of the P series… the cool objective sizing up… really felt that in spades with P80 when the dosage got high…”
tacitus (March 22, 2007):
“…sometime like a dot of yin in a field of yang, just the littlest bit of of a P80 can sometimes add a solidity and realism…”
Sandalo (September 8, 2008):
“ P80 Feedback
…Application was initially made to bare skin, but diffused too strong and fast to be of any use - one hour at most, with a distinctive sense (self-effect) of both ‘critical’ and ‘cautious’ toward whatever task or topic was at hand. This should not be confused with some sort of trepidation; rather, an earnest interest - or, intensity - in ‘getting it right’…
P80 conveys neither sexual nor social proclivities, per se. It does, though, project a certain stature that can become brutish at higher doses (tested up to ten sprays with fixatives, for 100mcg total) in its delivery, whereupon the ‘scientific’ productivity of the lower doses is upstaged, if not usurped, by the ‘stature’ effect at the higher doses; the latter of which becoming simply nonproductive and even off putting…”
Hmmm… Thanks, Visionary. I, too, have experienced that solid, grounding feel when I put on P80 alone (up to 25.0 mcg).
Unusual that no one else has reported on its positive impact on heart rate and strength, increased physical excitability, and decreased arousal threshold that I’ve seen with P80.
I found this yesterday:
I think this is a very sexy putative for this reason alone. It doesn’t ramp up desire so much. But it ramps up response to stimulation and that is very sexy.
So P80 ramps up response to stimulation for you (and your husband), interesting.
Is the response to stimulation always ‘physical stimulation’?
Is it especially focused on the ‘physical’ or can the response be to ‘visual’ and ‘emotional’ stimulation as well?
I am thinking that if the heightened arousal to stimulation is focused on some kind of ‘physical stimulation’, perhaps P80 might have a use in improved responses from girls when doing Kino?
diane999 (February 2009)
"P80 feels like what I imagine a high dosage shot of pure testosterone would feel like. It is a real powerhouse, and I really get into the physical side of this molecule. It has all the pluses of Androstenone with none of the side effects.
And actually, I’m not so sure this is an actual masculine pheromone. It feels masculine, sure. But my husband is not repulsed by me wearing it, like he gets when I wear -none. With -none he rarely wants to stay in the same section of the house with me, even when I’m doused in EST .
With P80, the effects on him are similar to its effects on me, namely increased arousal to physical stimulation, increased levels of excitement, increased excitability, stronger heart beat and heart rate in response to stimulation, increased control-taking aggression without anger or rage, and increased interest in life.
If it is a masculine pheromone it is definitely alpha, like Androsterone, but younger, more vibrant than Androsterone. And like Androsterone, this doesn’t inhibit camaraderie with other alphas or elicit anger and rage displays the way Androstenone can. And it has none of the irritability factor that tater talked about and I’ve seen with P83. It is smooth.
I’m not sure this is a pheromone that many women would get into and enjoy. I do, but then again, I like competition, and have never been afraid to stand on my own two feet and compete with the boys. My only problem is that the Spartan Warrior feel of this pheromone, when worn alone, could be very addicting to me. I guess I should refer to it as the Amazon Warrior feel in my case. P80 has a sense of justice and duty to it and the power to back it that I find very appealing.
Oh, yeah! It is definitely alpha - male or female.
TAL - I find it makes me irritable even at low doses. I haven’t layered it much. TAA might be a better choice for me if I wanted to lower the P80 signature a bit… or I could up the dosage of P96… or I could just wear less P80.. heh.
Actually, I’m not going to change this mix. I designed it as a sexy mix. The high dosage of P80 in this regard instigates and supports some pretty interesting bed games… call it friendly competition. The ratios seem just about right.
Though it can be directed that way with other molecules as you well know.
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