I’ve been trying to get any energy whatsoever out of P90, even high doses, like 250 mu barely register… people around appear mildly socially up, sort of more cooperative, and I’m a touch clearer, firmer than ususal, however nothing in the definitive pheromone category.
Did I underestimate P90 ?.. maybe so…
although it may require a stronger application, 100 mu + to kick in… at the gym I observed women were unusually animated, very chatty, almost noisy… same thing occured on the subway… even a reserved brit couple seated next to me became voluble… and I was afforded an unexpected degree of respect throughout the day… although not of the Clint Eastwood P80 variety, nor of the somewhat more erotic P83 variety*… the upper range putatives so far, P90, P91, P93 appear to have a generally civilized, well sociallized quality…* P90 quietly exudes what I might term “empathetic leadership” versus “authoritarian leadership”… in the direction of the wise, respected grandfather figure… I did notice that in important discussion during the working day, I could manage the very tricky balancing act of being direct and forceful while maintaining rapport... I have never been good at that likable intensity trick… P90 seems to give one a boost there…
I imagine it would be fascinating to watch you go about testing these. 
Ya… haven’t run the sexual scenarios on the P89, P90, P91… group yet… seems to be one cluster of the P75-80 (with P74 being its own animal), another P81-P88, and this one yet another thing… I S’pose Jasmin and Harris will be concocting a major upgrade standard packaged phero products once the P series is sorted out… 
Interesting I have been waiting for something like this. Ive been playing around with P80 and you are right - serious authority. It seems to me that everything that is ‘Alpha’/ dominant whether it be A314 , -None, P76 , P80 , etc is kind of dark, and makes people kind of distant. It seems that, in every day life, people don’t like it so much when they are the ones in the less dominant position. I hope P90 can be different from the above mentioned lot but I have my doubts whether it will exude enough authority based on my experiences with anything which is good for rapport and empathy. Keep us updated!
Visionary
I certainly agree with the comparison to betanol - at 25 mcg there is an aspect of compulsive sharing to it. But yes - maybe more exchange of personal opinions and experiences without the emotional intensity of betanol. Sex was intense - this wasn’t the only thing I was wearing, but I wonder if there was some positive impact from the comfort created by P90.
I don’t have enough experience yet with P90 to have seen the empathetic leadership quality described by tacitus, but it certainly fits with the vibe I have felt so far.
Tomorrow I am working on a scene featuring two male buddies talking about life so I’ll try stepping a bit more strongly on the P90 and see what happens.
Hey Visionary - mind telling more about your adventures with P76? It seems like 75-78 are still a bit unexplored so far.
I would love to try a group diffusion experiment with P90. Betanol at a party does just what you expect it to, but given your experiences I wonder if P90 may not manifest in such an obvious manner.
I haven’t tried P76 yet but from SwingerMD’s posts it sounds -None like and tense. I get the feeling both P75 and P76 may be great for sex (given they are pheromones found in the genital region) though I only have P75 at the moment.
From a PM to me from an undisclosed forum member:
60mcg P75 + 10mcg p76 + 40mcg p79 = “wow that was really nice, very animalistic.”
P74
SwingerMD (23 April 2006):
“…I did try once with a dose of 30mcg. No noticable rxn. Perhaps that is still too much. It seems to me that p76 is definately -none like. With -none (from what I have observed) there is a range of dosage that is in between ideal and reactionary OD. When you are in this between range, noticing any rxns is very hard since the concentration is not quite enough to send everyone within a 10 ft radius to “run off into the hills”. If you are very observant you can pick up that everyone around you is tense/ a bit tightly wound up. I’m thinking of going back later and start with one spray of 5 mcgs.”
P74
SwingerMD (24 April 2006):
"…For me Androstadienone, gives me such a nasty headache that I usually not in a very receptive mood when I wear it. P75 doesn’t effect me negatively at all (the other guys don’t seem to like it much).
As for specific character to each:
p74 “Inner connection”
p75 “Centered”
p76 “Tense/ on edge”
p77 “?!”
p78 “Spacey”"
p78 “Spacey”
Has anyone experimented further with these (P90, etc) putatives?
Sounds like worth exploring…
Yes I have it and will give P90 a whirl soon. I wonder if anyone has found a respect/‘empathetic leadership’ effect to it like Tacitus has described? 100 mcg + of P90 may be required for this effect to kick in. On the other hand tacitus probably comes across naturally as a bit (or a lot) of a leader so it may just work for him in this way?
So far I am very much agreeing with PQ’s assessment of P90 (at 37.5 mcg ). I was wearing it with other mones during a couple of intimate encounters/sex so am not sure how much it added to that, but definitely didn’t make things worse that’s for sure!
I am not sure if I get an ‘empathetic leadership’ aspect to it either - perhaps 100 mcg + is needed to access this effect (like what tacitus was using to get this effect)? I would like to try this (and compare it to the A314 family of mixes) but don’t have enough of the molecule left unfortunately…
P90 seems to be a good solid pheromone IMHO - I like the way that while there is definitely a sharing aspect to it, there is a bit more control of what you say than with Beta -Nol . Plus anything that adds something to sex is a definite bonus.
It is interesting that some of the other mones that are good for sex (like Androstenone , P83 , P79 , P75) have some kind of aggressive aspect to them in every day life that may make sex more ‘animalistic’ while other ones that are less ‘fiery’ molecules (like Androsterone,Androstenol , P93 , P74 and P90 ) may make sex better simply because they enhance bonding/communication and relax the participants. Still you get other pheromones (like Androstadienone, Estratetraenol , WAGG, TAK ) that, while making the participants feel very comfortable (in A1 's case only a female participant), may tone things down too much in the bedroom to the point where animalistic passion is gone (unless #*(% a teddy bear is your thing ) … Anyway the above is just a theory I’m developing it isn’t set in stone… Also P93 could have a slight aggressive property to it as well in real life and may make things more animalistic between the sheets as well (as well as enhancing bonding)…
So anyone other new putatives results/insights out there…
-Visionary
I freakin love P90. its like sitting down at a lounge with a friend over a glass of whiskey.
P74 is more like IOpenness
P90 is more like IH
I started experimenting with P90 this week. Midafternoon, I sprayed 25mcg before going out to run some errands, take the kid to the orthodontist, stop at the grocery.
Women were surprisingly confortable starting conversations with me. In fact, they just seemed to start talking at me without making eye contact or otherwise having my attention. It was a little disconcerting. They were otherwise good humored, helpful and cooperative.
I noticed, while driving, the P90 seemed to improve my alertness. P74 is the only other pheromone that does this. The P74 seems to be a little stronger in this regard than the P90.
The P90 is definitley the stronger stimulant of talkativeness. IH and IO will do that too, but with these other social pheromones people seem to get my attention first and talk to me. I am not ready to disagree with the characterization of P90 as “empathic leadership”. That may well be accurate, but this propensity for women to begin a conversation, by blurting things out at the back of my head, doesn’t feel very empathic.
The credit crunch has strained my finances and I have been feeling none too cheerful recently. The P90 definitley seemed to put me in a good mood – not euphoric, but good. The effects seemed to last at least two hours.
That evening, after I’d had a couple of beers, I learned my son needed help with his math homework. (Now, you tell me.) I remembered the P90 made me more alert for driving earlier in the day, so I added another 10mcg P90. It definitley helped put me in the mood for the task. The math homework went well, which isn’t a given for this son. I’m not sure whether to call this “Clear-minded, empathic leadership” or “yap at the back of my head” pheromone.
I used 30mcg P90 with my typical 2x A314 to take a ride on the subway. Overall I felt a calm flat acceptance of life and people in general.
In the station, waiting for a train, two women, in succession, sat next to me. The second one, an attractive blond, wound up getting on the same train car as I did. She sat about half a train car away, facing me, in the sparsely populated train. She unbuttoned a button on her blouse and stroked her hair several times. Though we never spoke, I felt a connection with her.
I felt a sense of connection with anyone I cared to focus on. I wondered if this “connection” extended to the telepathic. I chose a young man a couple of seats in front of me. I empathized with him as best I could and projected a thought, “I need to scratch my head. My head itches.” I repeated this several times. Just as I was about to give up, he became rather obsessed with scratching his nose.
Overall, I believe this sense of connection correlates with an opening of the throat chakra, which I believe is blocked by P93. This sense of acceptance could counter the predatory aspects of P87 and P81. Hence P90’s value in my reverse engineered P88 replacement mix.
I’d say if P90 is the throat chakra, IH is the heart chakra.
I’d be disinclined to use the term empathic to describe the effects of P90 alone. I think of empathy as more emotional, whereas, to me, P90 is more of a cognitive connection. I think I see what Tacitus is talking about. If “empathetic leadership” is a good description of what he is experiencing, perhaps the empathic is mediated by a sense of vicarious cognition. If you’re reading this Tacitus, does that make sense? P90 itself seems so low in emotional energy.
After about an hour on the train, I went from being calm to somewhat sleepy.