Perhaps "OD" is an oversimplification

Bear with me if this topic is beating a dead horse; I’m trying to limit my mortequine flagellation during the holiday season. :wink:

I’m wondering if the term “OD” is serving this forum community well.

I don’t know if we can dig down a bit into what events / experiences we are lumping into this label? I’m curious to know if there are multiple kinds/modes of OD, and what happens when they overlap:

  • Incongruency. Suppose that the pheromones I’m signalling (very strongly) don’t match the way I am behaving, the way I am dressed, the occasion, or the mood of the group, etc., or that the pheromones themselves conflict with each other … and I’m being “edited out” of the reality of people – too “weird”, therefore “denial.” (Negative Hallucination.)
  • Novelty. Perhaps the people I’m signalling to have never before experienced this (level of) (mix of) pheromones in someone before. They’ve backed off to covertly “watch what happens” – and in respect of genuine curiosity they don’t want to interfere, so they act like they aren’t paying attention while they monitor and try to calibrate their models. (Peripheral Focus.)
  • Fear/Flight or Fight. The pheromonal message itself is strong enough (and not mitigated by other messages) and specific enough that it produces non-cognitive, neurological level behaviors of withdrawal, seeking security, avoiding threats or combatting such threat. (When they realize they’re afraid, it’s another story – they might become angry because they were afraid and approach to combat, or they might try to approach and appease, withdraw and analyze, etc…) (Direct unconscious response to the content of the chemical message, not to the situation.)
  • Internal Expectations. This could be a ‘sorry-go-round’ starting when someone wearing what they consider to be a strong dose of pheromones, but then don’t get responses they expect. Maybe people are drunk, tired, or distracted, maybe ventilation patterns make it hard to trace the pherosignature to that one someone, whatever … but then some combination of self-absorption and petulance begins to be displayed, which distances people (physically or mentally) and further diminishes/muddles the chemical responses. (Self-fulfilling prophecy.)
    I guess I could try to flesh this out further, but hopefully this is enough to get across the gist of what I’m trying to say: OD might not be as simple as it sounds. Dosage of chemical may or may not be the controlling factor in some kinds of OD.

If you’re aware of other OD modes, I’d be very curious to learn more, please do tell. I’d like to define an “architecture of pheromone OD” Or if you can validate / expand / tweak any of the modes I touched on above …

Or Not … perhaps this sounds more like nitpicking better left to academics.:cool:

Man, today i had a VERY bad pheromone result. 2 girls, 20-22 flat out said, this guy is “mental” to me when i approched them to buy perfumes. WTF, their salary is based on them selling. How in the world could i have gotten them to tell me “this guy is mentaly retarded”. I assure you, i was damn well dressed, 6 foot 5, clear skin, nice face, very wity smart, high value. had my kick ass pj ladd shoes, godly winter coat, my best jeans. WTF, how could they insult me like that, its their job to sell.

I was wearing 2 spray of TUTH on the velcro of my coat from the 2 days before!

Is it possible TUTH breaks down into something bad over time?

This was not an OD, this was flat out “fuck off boy, you aint fucking our pussys”.

What happened!?

Have you taken into consideration that, while a lot of women might look good. Very good. They might not always have the self esteem to match?
LSE (low self esteem) often creates the same bitchy behavior as would a similar response based on no actual interest in you what so ever (there might be nuances here, but being a man, my interpretations are based on my gender). So I guess, sometimes, inferiority (hers) might also create the kind of reaction you experienced.

Chris.

So if i understand correctly, and if i therorise on the situation. Women will reject a male that she feels is ALOT better than herself because he might not stick around to raise the kids because he will probably find better than herself and leave shortly after fucking her.

That’s a way of putting it that I personally would prefer not to communicate to others, but I guess you got the general idea, yes.

(Maybe you are a little mental after all :stuck_out_tongue:?)

Chris.

:DHa ha!Excellent!!THIS GUYS MENTAL!!Thats so funny!I’d be pissed off too,mate!lol

How am i mental? (this dude will probably not even answer, 2 posts, he doesn’t even seem to have read my post correctly!)

ARGHHHH, i’m mad at everyone today. Bad sucess with females = testosterone levels going up!!!

I hate the fact that people are scared of smart people, having an Iq of 153, people feel inferior around me in philosophy. Saddly, i live in a town that the average iq is 10 points lower than the average canadian average. 63 points higher than most. It feels more like “everyone is mental”. Pisses me off, the town high average is 5 foot 5, i’m 6 foot 5. Short and dumb, what a great place to live!

MarkL, very interesting speculations … I think all of the reasons for poor response that you note are valid, and they may play a role in what is denoted an “overdose.”

Any mone may work spectacularly well at the correct dose (which is wearer, target, scene, and climate-dependent) yet may fail to produce desired results at too high a dose. 'None is the most commonly identified culprit probably because 'none ODs can be quite unpleasant for both the wearer and those exposed. It takes careful testing and close observation to find the sweet spot and many lack the patience to find it for themselves.

There’s also the plain fact that some mones simply smell bad in higher doses to those sensitive to them, with buildup, conversion, etc., and sometimes the cover scent may be too strong as well, which will produce similar invisibility phenomena or active avoidance.

Thomas, doesn’t calling someone “mental” mean that they are a little crazy, not mentally retarded? That’s what it means down here anyway … and you do have a level of self-appreciation that is unusual in someone your age and possibly hard for your small town neighbors to swallow sometimes … I think you’re destined for a bigger pond, my friend. Where are you headed after graduation?

Will she Hell.

She would have to have the self-esteem of a gnat to do thus.

No one person is any better than any one other, and the sooner people stop believing THAT sort of media-churned gummf, the better a life they will live.

Honestly, there are so many people making life so difficult for themselves, trying to rely on what they think they are seeing, or wasting time wondering if something is a real sign that a guy/girl is interested, or is just in their head? Or is this real, or is that real? Or if I do this will it make her do this? I’ve never seen anything like it, and I STILL have not, anywhere irl. I only EVER see this discussed IN the pheromone community - on forums.

What is the worst-case scenario if you just use a nice old-fashioned, basic approach? You get a knock-back. So bloody what? Life’s setbacks are what form a person, what make them into the person they are, and if you rely on always using artifice, when the hell do you EVER know who you actually are?

What the heck happened to just going with the flow?

I have never in my life seen so many people with issues, since I joined the pheromone community years ago, and I honestly think while it’s great to have an awareness of certain “Rules of attraction,” and definitely fairly advantageous to own some “tools and toys” to enhance the situation - some people are so bunged-up with a mindless quagmire of conflicting information on the whole subject, that they lose all sense of perspective and ANY natural ability they have to just BE who they are.

Pheromones are just the gilding on the lily. They don’t turn me into Angie Harmon, and they don’t turn a man into Daniel Craig, they ENHANCE who you NATURALLY are, and that needs to be remembered.

BE yourself. It’s so much easier, and when someone is genuine, it pays dividends - seriously.

Ail :slight_smile:

Ail. You have a knack for bringing everything back to a healthy level. I applaud thee.

Rspct,
Chris

Hmmm. An aside / mental exercise:
naked; laying down you’re just about the same height as everyone else; not making witty talk while kissing; shoes, coat and jeans off, ignored; your nice face and clear skin make a difference when you’re sexually intimate with someone, but only insofar as you’re generating mutual pleasure; shared delight…
I suggest that whatever you were thinking of when you stepped toward the perfume counter, it wasn’t shared delight :smiley:

All right, I think you’re right about that. Not every bad experience with pheromones is the result of overdose. But then not every bad experience is the result of pheromones, either.

Is there something else frustrating you, fella? Will you regret moving from your “town”?

Note: i was not there in the intent to cruise, just to buy.

In french, calling somebody “malade mental” is VERY insulting.

I have many BIG plans. I want to work to stop pharmaceutical corporations, start an organic chlorella farm, while becoming a herbalist. Live in a toxic free home, become a freaking god, eating a perfect diet, like i curently do. And once my empire is establish, have many kids, and spend my life reading.

At 18, i feel mentaly like i’m 252, just like Li Qing Yuen.

This is not the place to see post count as a form of status. He’s a person with thoughts, feelings and humor, just like you.

In reality, it looked like enjoyed what you said, and was actually complementing you and having a good time. It’s all in how you read it.

Online, you can’t hear someone’s voice. That’s why it’s good to read things online in a positive, upbeat, happy-dappy voice tone… if it still sounds negative, then it probably is. Just keep in mind that most people mean well (:slight_smile:). Truly mean people are far and few between.

If you could, please assume that the people basically have good intent, until they truly go out of their way to prove otherwise.

Sounds like androstenone all right! You may have some buildup.

Ok, i need help to figure this out:

I live in québec (a.k.a. winter land, not really anymore because of global warming, winters are going away, no more snow, no more ice, in 5 years, we have seen the snow leave at DRAMATIC speeds) so we all wear winters coats 70% of the year. So i got the bright idea of wearing TUTH on my winter coat because it lasts long. BAD IDEA. I applyed it on the velcro of my coat, the pricaly part that has the hooks to hook on the bushy velcro part. How do i clean it off. Do i shoot alot of water on it to clean it off, i don’t want to use harsh chemicals, i would hate to destroy my kick ass coat.

Could i decide not to do anything and let the pheromones die off with time, how many days would this take?

Sorry if i seemed like an ashole when i was talking, i think the TUTH bottle in my pocket, the tuth on my skin that has accumulated, the tuth that was on my coat + all the testosterone boosting plants and nutrients are REALLY making me feel atacked by everyone, excuse my insane ashole ALPHA MALE attitude!

Yeah, it’s not a good idea to apply pheromones to fibers. No androstenone, anyway! Androstenone is like the “spider man” of pheromones. If you really wanted to put something on your jacket, I’d go with Instant Shine or Openness. Something like that disappears too quickly on it’s own.

OK, to get this out of your jacket:

A. Wash it with Oxyclean

or

B. Have it dry cleaned. There are a new breed of dry cleaning chemicals out there that are organic. You see them in all health conscious area. I bet you have one nearby.

Water alone absolutely won’t work. You need strong emulsifiers (soap), or preferably solvents. Time won’t even work well with androstenone, unless you leave it out in the sun.

You could also try ozonating. I ozonate my clothes regularly.

Oh, I know! Trust me, I’ve experienced the same things.

It’s ok, Thomas… no problem… you’re a good guy with lots of great things to share. I just wanted to take the opportunity up a reminder for everyone here. I’ve noticed some people going off on people for no reason.

Gently reminding people that most people are good, and want similar things in life, is something I’ve found to be a great way to keep things civil, productive and fun.

Anyway, the androstenone effect you’re seeing… That’s *exactly why I don’t view androstenone as the marker of a true alpha male. Far too unstable. Truly high androstenone males are made to – not mincing words here – fck and fight (at least that’s all I feel like doing when I use use far too much androstenoen of it’s own! :wink:)

A real alpha male, on the other hand, is someone who can get things done. A leader of men. The closest thing we probably have no to that feel is probably Alpha A314, but I’m still experimenting. I think there’s quite a few “flavors” of Alphaness that can useful.

The “F*ck, Flight or Fight” mechanism inherent in pure androstenone is also useful in some contexts, too. I can think of few things better for animalistic sex than sheer androstenone!

Its funny though, i kinda like feeling like an asshole. Its funny how when my test levels skyrocket like right now, i want cars like hummers and rambo lambos and i dont care for the environment, i just want sex, babes, cash and pure luxury and working my brain as fast as i can with as much mental stimulations as possible!

Isn’t that amazing?

It’s a very real physiological effect, that takes over from the top of your brain to the tips of your toes. It’s real to you. You fully associate. It allows you to step into someone else’s shoes for awhile, and see things from their perspective. (maybe you can be a little emphatic for those “jerks” now who are always like this naturally?)

Maybe now you can also understand the REASON behind why we call our high androstenone product Instant Jerk!

HAHAHA, thats funny because i though of that exactly, but i didnt right it because i’m too busy feeling the rush of beeing A MALE!!! ARGGHHHHHH :stuck_out_tongue:!!! Avena sativa + maca + horny goat weed + zinc + tongkat ali + tribulus + Kava Kava, Arginine, Ashwaganda, eulothero + my 80 plants and nutrients (and expanding everyday) that i take. MUHAHAH, can’t wait to get my acetyl-l-carnitine. Nitchez would be proud!

You should consider expanding your company to include nutritional supplements that go with the TUTH and or IJ. I understand the mechanics of all libido boosters, i want to deseign nutritional supplements later in life. so i’m ready to think of something for you to make to sell with the SEX pheromones!