copulins stink.
Yup. But they do work. 
Do you put some in your IJ snoop?
quick report - been using a host of mixes as i slowly break out of my shell to being single again.
social: i talk way more. not only that, but i look for things to talk about. i think that’s a mark of a true conversationalist. when the talking stops, how do you revive it? as i’m meeting more people, i find myself exploring little tangents i could go on to keep the conversation fresh. for example, if i meet a guy and he says he likes to play tennis, the old me might’ve carried on a few lines about tennis (i used to play a bit) and then perhaps move on. the new me will talk about tennis and then ask a “snowball” question like “do you prefer clay, grass, or hard courts?” this gets an answer to the question and then i can keep it going by asking what the differences are, why the preference is what it is, etc.
status: i’m not the alpha male type of guy but in my opinion, my “status” has been consistently pretty good after the initial phero boost of using them for the first time. either i was walking tall and strong because i had a great gf and knew my life was on track, or i’m walking tall and strong because i’m a new man ready to face life again. it’s apparent in my mannerisms and even during my phero dry spell i kept it up. i work in the tech industry where everyone is basically another face in the crowd so almost naturally, if you want to rise up the ranks or even get noticed, you have to boost your status a bit.
sexual: it’s fun being blatantly sexual again. i’m at the point where i need to find the line between “acceptable kino” and “reserved for gf only” kino. i was driving a girl home one night and after she got in the car, she put her legs and feet up into sitting cross-legged on the seat. her address was in n unfamiliar part of town so i reached for the glovebox to get my gps. as i reached, my hand accidentally brushed the inside/top-ish part of her thigh. a genuine accident, but partially influenced by my old habits of giving a playful grope to my passenger (my gf) while reaching for anything. this girl is just a friend - we met when we were both in a relationship, and now we’re both not in a relationship - and we’re not looking to rebound with each other. she kinda flinched and i could tell she felt a little awkward. nonetheless, she kept her leg there. i played it off as if nothing happened so that we could avoid the “oh… sorry” awkward apology and resulting silence. gps up, radio on, and a few minutes later we’re laughing and having a good time and the leg brush is all but forgotten.
had some closing thoughts but gotta run, will tack those onto a later post.
open question to all the readers… should i get the uf test pack? in other words, do you see me as someone who could properly test this pack?
weighing some options here.
Your one of the best testers on PT. I think that says enough. Browsing what you’ve tested before this pack should be right up your alley if thats what your asking. My first perceptions of one of the MX’s 391-395 is very positive but my phero awareness isnt that good so we need you on this 
I concur.
well thank you.
i hadn’t browsed the store section in quite some time. went through it a few days ago and noticed the release of the uf test pack and p130. kinda sad i missed out on p130; hopefully that one gets some good reports and comes back around. i like testing molecules.
i got the gist of the pack through jas’ thread in the store section. what caught my eye was her statement of “…somewhere between ‘the great androstenone experiment’ and mx292.” i’m not familiar with the experiment but i’m very familiar with mx292 and how well it works - to this day i think it’s one of the best products i’ve used. if project uf is formulated to be even half of what mx292 is/was, then that’ll still be some good results.
my only concern is my androstenone tolerance, which is ironic because the mix pack is high androstenone. i can talk myself out of it by saying that it (androstenone) makes me sweat and flush upon application and how i’d have to find creative ways of applying it. likewise, i can talk myself into it by saying that i haven’t really tested much lately and that an “out of the ordinary” high androstenone sig change would be a welcome challenge.
i’ll ponder it some more and see what happens tomorrow. 
The P130 is coming out as a freebie with all the test packs. You should get it if you order Project UF or any of the other ones out there
closing thoughts now posed as a report from a new situation and also a question.
i was sitting in the common area of the library with some friends discussing homework when seemingly out of nowhere, the girl from the “sexual” portion of the quoted report above came to sit with us. one more encounter and i’ll have to give her a report nickname. the chairs we were in are like small armchairs, two on a side around a square coffee table for a total of 8 chairs. i was on one side with a free chair to my right, two people on my left side, and one across from me. she came and sat down next to me - perhaps because that’s just the way she approached, or perhaps because she wanted to sit next to me.
i had on 1d a314 r24 p90e and a few sprays of ishine, a pretty standard everyday mix. given that the chairs are right next to each other, she was in my cloud immediately. we’re talking, my arms are my armrests, her arms on hers, and i noticed that after a while, each time that i made a bad joke or teased her or something, she would use her left hand (closest to me) and playfully slap my arm. that’s cool, happens all the time. what got me was about 10 minutes after she sat down and did all her slapping and such, her slaps turned into more of… rubs? i don’t really know how to word it.
so, at first, she would use her left hand to slap my right bicep. that’s all good. the “rub” that i’m talking about is when she started using her left hand to sort of rub my right forearm, kind of like you would rub a pet. it was always after a joke or making fun of her, so it wasn’t random “rubbing,” but if she would’ve shifted her aim up maybe 8 inches, we’d have been holding hands.
i took this as a sign to try out some kino. as the conversation continued, anytime i wanted to make fun of her, i would instead just nudge her arm with my elbow, playfully, and with just enough gusto to make it visible to the group. the joke would be implied and everybody would laugh. i noticed she didn’t shy away from the nudging. her “rubbing” and my nudging continued until it was time to go. we brushed bodies lightly as we both got up at the same time, but nothing else after that.
my question is “how do you know what is appropriate for kino?” this could be anything from amount, location (of kino), location (as in “environment”), etc.
for example, in the quoted report, i accidentally brushed her leg - i knew she felt awkward and fortunately i was able to play innocent, and it was all forgotten after that. but i could’ve easily “purposely” brushed her leg and made it look like an accident - would that have been right, or too much? now let’s take the newer example: she starts with playful slaps, pretty common, then suddenly switches to “rubs.” (sorry i keep using that word, but really that’s the only way i can describe it)
was she just putting it all on the line and thinking to herself “well, i’m gonna rub this guy and hopefully he doesn’t move his arm”? as i mentioned, i took her rubs as a sign to continue with my own kino. not as “sexual” as hers but it was a start.
my original closing thought was that it’s hard to determine what’s right in each situation, which led to my question posed above, which currently leads me to think maybe project uf would be a good test pack for me. since i used to be rather shy, i would always wait for the go-ahead before proceeding. and i still do. this is good in a chivalrous manner but i feel that i’ll miss out on some things if i keep this up - maybe one day a girl will want me to touch her, and i don’t, and the connection is lost. perhaps a good dosing of “just do it” that high androstenone brings can fix that.
hm… hopefully there’s still some left.
You remind me of me, reading your past reports and how things have gone with you during your trials.
I’ve had some good results and some bad awful results with UF. It’s still not to the point where I can really give it a yes or a no but some MX’s worked wonders, and some didn’t. If you want something that the high Androstenone would fix, I would go with some IJ. I’ve used it by itself, but it really shines with me at least (we have close physical makeups), when added with some P96.
I haven’t done anymore of the testing with other molecules but that one has brought me some good IOI’s and some great rapport and attraction building. I can’t definitively tell you what would work and what won’t but a tester of your caliber should be good with either.
As for your kino question. When you said she was a bit uncomfortable or uneasy with the accidental brushing, she wasn’t used to it. Usually getting to that point takes some time, I typically use the forearm/hands first then work up to shoulder, waist, and as long as things get going the way you wanna take it, I reserve the other parts for more private interactions. If I’m going to make out with a girl then I will go with the face, butt, thigh. It’s just gotta happen naturally. Now if its in more intimate places (I love lounges for this) if you’re getting up, or just speaking, you can test out the knee area, if she flinches, moves, or gets uncomfortable, then I would work on building more attraction. But she’s already going to be out with you so that part shouldn’t be a problem. If you’re doing this from just meeting a girl that night, then I would gauge her comfort level.
P130 was supposed to be given out with the test packs but at the bottom of Jasmins post I think it said something like the first 50 people. 50 people is a lot but who really knows who ordered what lol.
Kino is something you just have to play around with. As long as you don’t make it awkward its not going to be.
Hey Jay,
I know this is a bit off subject but I was wondering how SMW has benn working for you. How has the silliage and diffusion been with it? I also wondered if you have been getting a good amount of “sniff sniff” compliments wearing it.
I got some Creed samples and I wore SMW to work today and I got alot of compliments on it. I am surprised because as I was smelling it on my way to work I regreted my decision to wear it. I also noticed that the black current note that seems to be present in all the Creed products was still there about 8 hrs later. I havnt found anything that lasts that long since Game. I just wondered your thoughts on it.
The great androstenone experiment was TAH + -none I believe. It was a lil bit before MX292 was out which was how I guessed TAH was one of the components to MX292. I believe Jas said something about molecules that would work well with -none and TAH was one of the molecules that they had tested that had good results.
oh goodness, i love me some smw. very glad i found out about it through here and very glad that ff22 (or ff21? forgot) smells similar to it.
i feel that in some regards, it’s much like game in that it’s fairly sweet upon application - sometimes too sweet. if i spray it on as i’m walking out the door and drive 20 minutes to work, i will be “that cologne guy” upon entering the elevator, even with one spray (and as expensive as creed stuff is, one spray is usually all i do). sillage is definitely strong.
diffusion, in my nose’s opinion, depends on my app point. if i spray on my neck, my perception is that there’s not much diffusion. if i spray on my forearms and tap them together, then i perceive more diffusion. which is probably true, since i move my forearms more than i move my neck, but i feel that this scent sort of needs to be “thrown around” the room a bit before it really picks up.
because of this, i consider this to be a “cuddle scent,” meaning it works well during close encounters like cuddling. as you noticed, the scent stays on you for quite some time - perfect for rockin out through the day and after it has dried down to the residuals, there’s still some left to go around. i also consider game to be a cuddle scent, again leading to their similarity in some regards.
i definitely get compliments with this, moreso with a younger crowd like 21-25. other creeds like original vetiver fair better with 25+.
while we’re on the topic of creed, i’ll just list some that i’ve tried and my notes.
aventus: this is my “new” game scent. fell in love with it when i got the chance to try it before it came out, bought the big bottle without a second thought. very classy fragrance. try it if you can.
original vetiver: loved it when snoopy mixed up a surprise for me with this scent. smells a tad different without mones in it but still pleasant for me. seems to be a favorite everywhere.
original santal: did not like this one at all, so much so that i forgot my notes on it.
erolfa: also a favorite of mine. i wanted an aquatic-ish scent but more grown up (aka acqua di gio but not) and found it in this.
bois du portugal: a good scent, too musky for my use.
acqua fiorentina: mixed take on this. i want to like this scent since it’s fresh and citrusy and all the other good stuff i like, but the drydown gets me. turns into almost a flowery perfume. the saleslady gave me like 3 sample vials of this so i guess i have enough to try out until i decide.
Thank you for the review. I agree that ff22 has some similiar notes but SMW is just a far superior scent. I was actually headed over to my journal to mention that. As strange as it sounds I kinda like that dirty money scent that is in both SMW and IM.
I will have to get some more Creed samples. I havnt tried any of the ones you listed below. Aventus sounds like it would be worth giving a try.
What stores sell Creed products? Im tired of ordering samples online.
the only brick and mortar store i know of that’s not in new york is neiman marcus. usually the salespeople are very helpful and the one i went to had what looked to be every single creed fragrance, 2 oz size, on the counter for testing. i walked in knowing i wanted to try smw and from there, i had a discussion with the saleslady (creed / neiman marcus has a “creed specialist”) and we picked out some samples for me to take home.
repost from main section, ignore if you’ve read that one already…
snoopy sent me a batch of something he whipped up:
androstenone 5mcg
p95 7.5mcg
tal 5mcg
tac 12.5mcg
neroli scent, 30ml bottle
(snoopy if you’re reading this, i shook the bottle and the neroli scent came back)
to give credit and make for easier reporting, i’ll term this mix “snoopy’s mix.”
test 1: the gym
1s snoopy’s mix neck
i recently switched to a new gym and see all sorts of people there - guys and girls of all races and ages. perfect initial testing spot.
neroli scent came through and wasn’t as citrus-y as usual. this is good; helps to blend with my frags. i felt pretty good on my 10 minute drive to the gym, nothing extraordinary.
hit 0: it’s #0 because i will revisit it later. a girl (latina/asian mix, 20’s, cute) was working with a trainer. i had to walk past her training spot many times to get water, to a new machine, etc. we met eyes nearly every time. i didn’t think too much into it. during one of the later times i walked by her, i smiled and she smiled back.
hit 1: longest hit of the night. a girl (asian, 20’s, cute) was working out with what looked to be a bf. she seemed pretty upbeat at first before exposure. as i walked by her a few times, i noticed she started becoming a little more distant with her guy. eventually she stopped working with him and just sat around. during this time, she would glance at me or catch me in the mirror. i would only notice her accidentally. then i realized she was looking at me.
i took this a step further and tried to get around her as much as possible. i was doing circuits so it was very natural that i walk around to different areas. after each set she became more interested in looking at me. not only that, she was more terse with her guy. arms folded, negative body language. i’m not a muscular guy and since it’s circuits, i wasn’t lifting impressively heavy either, thus she wasn’t looking at me for my training skills. at this point i’m still catching her relatively on accident.
i took this a step even further and started looking at her on purpose. this is where the tables turned. she started working out again - nothing related to what her guy was doing, but rather incorporated a few “vanity” lifts. by this i mean that they were actual lifts but if you go light and pose just so, it shows off your body. when i did incline bench, she moved in front of me and a bit to the side to do a deadlift/curl combo, basically bending over in front of me a bunch of times. eyes locked in the mirror the whole time. when i moved to a bench to do incline flys, she went to the tricep pushdown machine nearby. her shoulders were a bit forward to push her cleavage together. blatant things like that. she took a break when i moved to other lifts not near her, then resumed bending over and pushing her cleavage together when i came back.
when i would walk past her, she would glance at me and then look away immediately. she never moved away though; i could brush by her as close as i wanted. i didn’t push my chances as her guy was still around.
what is the meaning of all this? well, i think something in the mix definitely got her attention. good icebreaker and “foot in the door” feel. i picked it up by looking at her and walking by her. if this were a more open situation i think conversation would’ve followed easily.
hit 2: revisiting hit 0. the girl finished her training session and started stretching. however, she moved over to the free weight section to stretch. not typical, but i’ve seen hits like this before in the gym. more of the same as hit 1 - bending and flexing in front of me, cleavage shots. she knew i was looking (as was probably every other guy in the weight section) and she loved it. lots of eye locks in the mirror. almost a sly grin on her face too. she finished about halfway through my sets and i didn’t see her after that.
hit 3: androstenone at the gym is always dangerous, but i got some good respect hits from this. circuit training is usually a pain because you have to occupy many positions without a break, and this takes up workout space for other members. the guys around me saw that i was doing circuits and created room for me. one guy was walking towards the free weights when he saw me approach and he actually stopped and let me grab weights first before he did. i’m not familiar with the other 3 ingredients in the mix but maybe it softened or rounded out the androstenone a bit.
good first run, i thought. was excited to test in a more personal environment.
test 2: jfg at the club
i said i would nickname this girl if she showed up in another report, so here goes. this is a girl that i met when i was with sarah and she also had a bf at the time. we became good friends because that was our limitation at the time. she broke up, then i broke up, and we had a chance to make something happen but we both decided to remain friends so that we didn’t spoil everything we created. i don’t think anything will ever happen either (except flirting, which we do often). thus, she is “just friends girl” or jfg for short. she’s asian, low 20’s, pretty cute.
2s snoopy’s mix neck
1s ih neck
creed aventus cover
i was overeager and thought that ih would amplify what i experienced in test 1. it did, for the most part, but i also think that 2s of snoopy’s mix was not as effective as 1s (maybe too much androstenone?) so ih only amplified maybe 70% of the mix’s full potential.
met jfg along with some other mutual friends at a small bar. same common hits as last time - respect from guys, a few ioi - but this time i was concentrating on jfg. she recently started talking to another guy. this guy isn’t well versed in relationships and she just got out of one, so they both are kinda struggling in the dark as to where they want to go with their connection. as i’m jfg’s friend, she’ll come to me with guy questions or to ask me for my input. i know this other guy but we’ve never hung out together while i’ve worn any mixes. i wanted to see if i could flip her feelings for this guy (she’s somewhat attracted to him) and make her latch them on to the mix and my sig, and essentially get her to start liking me. if that failed in any way, then i wanted to see if the mix would strengthen her feelings for this guy or make her more distant to him (as with the girl in hit 1 from test 1).
way more sexual innuendo between us than normally, and you will see this come up again in test 3. could be just the androstenone talking or a mix effect, but we were discussing highly sexual topics and being completely comfortable with it. certainly when a group of 20-somethings get together there will be sexual talk but most of the time it’s interspersed with talk of news, events, sports, etc. nope, not this time. straight sexual talk for pretty much the whole night.
unfortunately nothing else to report here. it was just a casual hangout over a cheap drink special night. didn’t dance with anyone and didn’t want to load too much on jfg in front of everyone.
going back to my original intents, i would say that this particular mix (the one i chose, not just snoopy’s) strengthened her feelings for me but only as a friend. now we’re comfortable talking about sexual things. i don’t think it strengthened her feelings for the guy since they have not had sex yet or discussed it. likewise, i don’t think it weakened feelings for him. we can call that a push for the guy, a small win for me.
test 3: jfg and a friend, and no more mistakes
this test happened a day after test 2. jfg wanted to hang out again and told me she was going to bring a girl friend. she knows i go out with my roommate so i decided to keep it even and not invite anyone else. destination was my house to meet up and then head over to a house party.
1s snoopy’s mix neck
1s ishine neck
bit of creed erolfa cover
i waited outside to help jfg find my house. they walk up and i notice her friend is very cute, bit taller than her (so roughly my height) and also asian, same age. let’s call her “A” for now. we make intros and head inside.
right off the bat i notice lots of dihl from A. i pulled out chairs for A and jfg, i made drinks, and lead the conversation. she was in shock with all this. also saw some attraction too as she looked at me with a lowered head and raised eyes. hair flips, showing off the cleavage while sitting, the usual works.
then we all started talking about sexual things. if it’s the mix that’s doing this, then it wastes no time or efficiency. we weren’t even a few sips into our drinks yet, nor were we talking about anything sexually-related. i had set out some shots to get us feeling happy quicker. jfg says something about how they should be body shots, then A and my roommate chime in with how they should be full body shots or naked body shots. and then we’re deep in sexual talk. weird how that works.
editor’s note: i know 2/2 is a small sample rate but i think this mix brings out sexual feelings in people. with 2s, which was possibly an od, the sexualness came out slowly. with 1s (i don’t think ishine added much in terms of sexual) it came out almost immediately. androstenone helps with this for sure, and some combo of p95, tal, and tac really brings it out. i’ve not tested those individually so i can’t say what does what. it just works.
my test for jfg this night was kino. if you remember my kino question, this is the same girl i’m talking about. i started out (as in both starting the night and literally making the first move) with playful slaps and nudges. good responses, so i continued with touching of the hair (“oh, it looks really soft tonight”) and waist grabs. jfg didn’t flinch at all and in fact seemed to enjoy it. you guys were right; it’s easy to start small and go big. so i went big. at the house party, there was one point i just went up to jfg randomly and started massaging her neck. she looked back at me to see who it was, smiled, relaxed her shoulders, and i swear she even took a step back so i could reach better. throughout the night she was pretty aggressive with kino too: doing that slap/rub thing, hugging me, getting very close when we sat together. my biggest move of the night was on the drive home. she was sitting shotgun and A and my roommate were in the back. she made a dig at me and i wanted to nudge her like she usually does to me when i make fun of her. i usually keep my right elbow on the center arm rest when i drive so i could’ve easily nudged her with my elbow, but i chose to go all in. i reached my hand over and did my version of her slap/rub thing on her inner thigh, more towards the knee than the happy place (remember, we’re still “just friends”). i figured she wouldn’t flinch since we were already kino’d up for the night, but i expected her to maybe slap my hand or something, i don’t know… as if i was crossing the “friends” line or something. nothing. i made it natural and she responded naturally. you guys should’ve seen me, i basically looked like this –> for the rest of the drive. it feels good to be in control of kino again.
my test for A was simply to see how far the mix would go for a first timer. it went pretty far, actually. dihl at my house, some light kino initiated by her at the party. i pretended that the music was too loud and purposely leaned in close to talk to her; she didn’t back away. later on i did this and lightly put my hand around her waist; again she didn’t flinch. walking out, i put my hand on her lower back to guide her down some stairs and she actually leaned into me. sexual talk all night but the difference here is that when it was just us two talking, the topics were more personal: orgasms, sexual positions, etc. very nice clean run; hopefully she comes around more.
conclusion
i’m excited about this mix’s potential. it’s sexual - don’t know if you caught that aspect yet. 
i think with some socials or something like meo-est / p96, this mix could go very far. stay tuned.