Report: THE PERFECT MIX?

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Last night I went to a Halloween party. As per a forum member’s suggestion, I decided to test out the Ammo + IH + P83 mix. I plan on using it with a girl that I’ve been crushing on since February, so it was a good test run last night, and boy, the results were awesome.

2 sprays of Ammo Summer Edition to left side of neck
3 sprays of IH to right side of neck
6 sprays of 5mcg P83 to chest
1 spray of IS 2x to back of head (think I might get rid of IS for my rendezvous on Tuesday)

I get to the party, and right away see a girl that I went to high school with sitting on the couch. She has a LTR, and she has a friend who is sitting next to her also dressed as a pirate (I was a pirate), so I sit down and talk them up a little bit. They were very engaged in the conversation, laughing at my jokes, all that. Lets call this girl Girl A.

I decided to go towards the beer pong tables. I saw a girl I used to be friends with in high school. She lost a lot of weight, absolutely stunning. She gives me a big hug, tells me she “always knew I’d grow up to be a cutie.” Lets call her Girl B.

There was another girl, 18, dressed as a pirate. Very cute girl. Lets call her Girl C.

Girl A
Wasn’t very interested in her. Very intelligent, which I like, but she had on caked makeup (not costume-related). At one point, her friend (one in LTR) left so it was just her and me sitting on the couch. I told her we should go play pong. We did. Then she started following me all night and she wouldn’t shut up. She put her hands on me a couple of times, not in a sexual way, not even in a flirty way, but her hands ended up on me. She was telling me about her school, her cheerleading coach, a bunch of things I had no interest in. I knew she wanted it, but I had no interest in her, she left.

Girl B
This girl and I used to be VERY close (my best friend’s twin sister’s ex-best friend), but haven’t really spoken in years. I was unaware, but she’s dating someone. Throughout the night, she was putting her hands all on me, making googly eyes to me, called me cute, laughed at even the unfunny jokes I had, just straight up flirting. I even made a sexual joke or two to her, and she laughed in a “that’s naughty” way rather than an uncomfortable way. Her boyfriend came in, and he was your typical Italian preppy guy. She was trying to stand next to me, at times, laughing at my jokes, and I could just tell he was uncomfortable. I walked away for a second, and he went to take my place standing next to her and put his arm around her. They haven’t been dating long (6 months, maybe – from what I understand), but he seemed very nervous that she was flirting VERY openly to me. This girl has thought, in the past, that I was “hot.” I almost took her on a date before she met this guy, but didn’t really feel like it (was coming off a breakup myself).

Girl C
I was eying this girl since she got to the party. Brazilian, tall, curvacious, sexy, and funny. I had a couple exchanges with her throughout the night, but nothing really of substance. People went into the garage to participate in illegal activities, I went in for the social aspect. I stumbled over a chair, she saw me, and laughed. I thought it was her altered state. She had on a pirate hat, I didn’t, she called me a “pirate poser” and said that the captain wears a hat. I didn’t think anything of it. Then, I was playing pong with someone else, she calls me over, and said “I’m leaving now, it was nice to meet you, but I have some Captain Morgan. Since I love your costume, want some?” Googly eyes GALORE. I took the drink, explained to her how Captain Morgan’s hat was only a formality, the captain never wears a hat, she laughs, says “uh-huh,” smiles, then “byeeee.”

Later that night, my best friend hits me upside the head “you dumb@$$, she was hitting on you.” I texted my friend whose party it was, got her number (asked my friend to ask her if it was cool if I had it). Although sexy, I found out she was only 18, so I don’t know if I’m going to proceed.

I found through my limited phero research that pheros that tend to attract females are seen as aggressive to other guys. When I was in college, there were nights when I was talking to a lot of girls, and guys got pretty aggressive with me (especially drunk ones).

With this mix, they all seemed to respect me. Laughing at my jokes, patting me on the back, it was as if I was a leader amongst them. Some, I’d even say, seemed intimidated in front of me, and felt the need to win my favor. It was kind of cool. One felt that he had to knock me to build his social worth, I just looked at him, laughed, and then he said “nahh, I’m playing dude, we’re bros” and threw his arm around me.

All night, I felt confident, and I noticed I was kind of the quiet, confident, “cool” guy with a SLIGHT hint of douchebag. I think I came off as a nice guy jerk.

EXCELLENT night socially. Still, I’d trade 10 of these nights for my night with this girl on Tuesday to be favorable. I’m not even looking for sex (unless she starts pulling my clothes off), just a makeout sesh (not a girl that I just want to screw and walk away from – actually relationship material). I worry because she is far from the typical girl. EXTREMELY intelligent and kind of a guy, she’s more interested in intelligence and wordplay than looks…so we’ll see. I may up the P83 for her by a spray or two. Also, I think I’m going to get a beer right before I see her to remove some of my own inhibitions and nerves.

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With the inclusion of Instant gentleman this would be the same as ONS mix 2 by still18… a really great combo that works well on me…I found that the p83 really makes a difference to this mix..

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interesting for sure.

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My night with the girl:

3 sprays of Ammo left of neck
3-4 sprays IH right of neck
7-8 sprays P83 5mcg to chest

Friend-zoned.

Was supposed to hang out in her room, she just wanted to go for a drive because her friend “heard male voices,” and one of this girls annoying quirks is she is obnoxiously private.

When I saw her, I put my hands on her hair to pull it away from her face to see if she still had a mark from her concussion. Right away “don’t touch me, dude.”

She called me “friend” or “bro” at least ten times throughout the night.

Crossed her legs in the car…I find girls who aren’t interested do this. Sort of protecting her fun-zone?

Mentioned guys she liked a couple of times…not in the context of “OMG I WANT THEM SO BADLY,” but more so in how she never met guys that understood her like them. Also, she mentioned how she can’t do relationships, and how she doesn’t attach to anybody.

At the end of the night, I went to hug her, she did one of those lean-in half hugs, I said “always a pleasure,” she said, “it was fun, friend.” I think the blatant usage of the words “friend” were all planned out. I think her intention of the night was to make sure I understood that I was “just a friend.” I also think she told me a few white lies about her friend “hearing male voices” so I wouldn’t be alone with her in her room. I could be wrong, but eh…kind of doubt it.

We are supposed to go to a haunted house together this weekend. She’s actually pumped up about it. After this “date,” I went to a friends because I was fuming. I remembered that I got that girl’s number from the aforementioned party, so I texted her and she’s going to try to get off work early to go to the haunted house with me.

Otherwise, I’ll go with the girl I like (she is REALLY cool, all feelings aside), and at the end of the night, I’m going to tell her that I like her, and I can’t ever see her as “just a friend,” so we can’t see each other anymore.

What I DID notice, and I’m not entirely sure if this was the pheros or just me, but I’ve always held this girl in such high-esteem. EXTREMELY intelligent and witty. She is like an Irene Adler (for all you Sherlock Holmes junkies out there). VERY sharp. However, she sounded almost like a little girl last night. Almost like a goodie-goodie…I can’t really describe it. Usually she’s charming and sprinkles her speech with sexual humor, but last night, she’d tell me a story, and the punchline wasn’t even that good. (for example, how she was at a bar and getting hit on, and she wasn’t interested so she yelled at the guy, "you didn’t expect me to have brains, did you?) I wish I could describe it.

She’s adorable. And smart. My perfect girl. But I saw a lot of flaws yesterday as well. She puts A LOT of weight into her study abroad trip she did to London when she was 19, saying how she never had such a tight knit group, and there was a guy 4 years her senior (she was sleeping with him) that understood her like no other. I heard the story and couldn’t help but laugh. “Dude, you were freakin’ 19 years old. You meet that guy now, I’m sure he’s cool, but your opinion of him is going to be so different.” I thought this, didn’t actually say it.

Sorry. I needed the rant…I could go on but I’m going to spare you guys.

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Went a little heavier with the ammo and IH…maybe the IH brought out her real feelings…or the ammo made her feel like you were coming onto her a little bit too much…

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I have to go with “Much” on the thoughts about your ammo use. But I seem to be unclear here, did this girl go to the party you went to? Is that how you met her?

It also sounds like to me you are a bit frustrated that she doesn’t reciprocate your feelings. A girl like that in my experience isn’t worth my time and is usually met with a similar level of attitude which she gives me, regardless of how perfect I find her. I find doing that usually makes her realize that she is usually being either selfish in the friendship or confused as to why you suddenly changed your tune towards her.

Actually, back to the perfect thing, you’re 23, by now you’ve been on a fair amount of dates. I now know what works for me personally in terms of a girl in a relationship, but I once tried to force something that I wasn’t completely sold on and it ended poorly. It also sounds like to me while she may SEEM perfect for you, that she is actually quite the opposite.

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I met her last December, after my breakup. My friend was setting me up with her. In February, I had her naked on top of me, but denied sex (I wanted more). I went to South Africa 3 days after that for 4 months. About a month in, she FB’ed me saying she didn’t want a relationship with me. We didn’t talk for about 5 months. Then, I went to visit my school, saw her, went to talk to her, she acted like such a bitch. She was drunk.

Next day, she apologizes, we start talking again. We hung out together last weekend, but she was concussed. First thing I realized she did when I walked in was take out her hairpiece and spit out her gum. Thought it was pretty obvious. BUT, she was concussed.

The girl at the party was this past Saturday night. I asked her if she wanted to go out on a date to the haunted house w/ me BECAUSE I think it may be best not to go with the girl I’ve been trying to get.

I almost don’t BELIEVE her friend-zoning. I think it’s almost an act of “I NEED to friend-zone this guy even though I kind of like him.”

I don’t know. Mixed feelings right now. Worst case scenario, I have one last good time with this girl, then explain to her how we can never see each other again at the end of the night.

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That’s interesting, so she is in some ways interested in you.

However, still just my opinion, she seems really fickle about you but to me based on what you showed us sounds like she’s just stringing you along. My 2 cents is to cut her off. Now I know you won’t necessarily be like “oh my god this random forum guy is so right i need to get her out of my life immediately” so I say go on and enjoy your night with her. Maybe I’m dead wrong and she’s actually super into you!

Whatever the case may be, good luck

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Yeah. She told me that she doesn’t “do relationships,” and that she has serious attachment issues. Anyone that gets too close to her, she throws them back.

This was, in no way, her trying to send me a message though. I was telling her I have trouble trusting people and was very detached, and I wanted to fix that about myself.

I think that conversation ended with me saying, “well, at least I’m trying. I think you should at the very least try.”

I think the whole “friend-zoning” thing isn’t because she isn’t attracted to me. I think she did it more as a tactic to sort of “save herself,” because I could go so far as take a bullet from her and she still wouldn’t trust me.

Like I’ve been telling my friends, it sucks that it’s not going to workout because she and I are the right kind of similar and the right kind of different, I’ve never felt more compatible to a person (let alone just girls) than I do her. That includes LTRs. But, I don’t feel too badly because I at least TRIED to make it work. She’s missing out because of her blindness and attachment anxiety. It’s her fault. If we could both fast forward 3 or 4 years, it’d probably be a different story. But that’s wishful thinking. It may be best to put this story to an end.

EDIT: And I’ve decided to cut it off. I messaged her, told her I liked her, so unless she wanted to do something as more than “just friends,” let me know, but otherwise, I wish the best for her and suspect she’ll do great things in life, and thanked her for being a real friend.

Her response (verbatim):

Aw, [lakerman34]. That may have been the nicest, most genuine message I’ve ever received. I totally get it. I won’t bother ya further. And hey, listening to people is probably one of my favorite activities, so it was my pleasure.

I don’t see her taking me up on that “if you want to do anything outside of ‘just friends.’” I still think she’s made a mistake and is blind to how compatible we really are. I almost told her that. Instead, I left it to what I said, and I won’t ever talk to her again. If she talks to me, I’ll treat her like a bro.

/chapter
/her

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It is quite confusing. Was it girl “C” who you say friendzoned you?

The one mistake you did, was asking somebody else to get her number for you. I’d imagine that to be a big turn-off. As if you were not confident enough to ask it himself. And it conflicts with the phero signature.

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Oh no, the girl I’ve been going after (not A, B, or C) friend-zoned me. Girl C is the girl that I’m currently talking to in a kind of sexual, dating way.

I told the girl I liked that I like her, and thus can no longer hang out with her in a “just friends” context.

Just last night, she messages me telling me she is “unhappy.” That was at about 1:30AM. She was supposed to go out with me, but I told her to go to her friend’s Halloween party instead b/c she and I can no longer hang out. She went (saw pics on her FB).

I responded to her at about 1PM. All I said in response was “why is that?”

If she starts talking feelings to me, I’m going to tell her that I can’t really help her and I wish her well.

The girl gets sexually frustrated, but isn’t very much into one night stands. I wouldn’t be surprised if she asked me over to satisfy her sexual needs. I wouldn’t be opposed to this.

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The best way to deal with this girl is to go out and meet more women. Use your mones, putatives, etc. Stop obsessing over her. From what you described, she doesn’t sound very desirable. In fact, I’d probably sideline her within 30 seconds of meeting her.

No offense, but when I read she said “friend” over and over and over, I got cringing feelings. It tells me she’s tremendously insecure, frail, petty and pretty selfish. I do not enjoy or tolerate passive-aggressive henpecking.

Then again, it could have been ample use of your mones that night that affected her mood. I don’t know. There are always other factors.

Don’t take offense, I don’t mean any, but my advice still stands. Find your pheremone sweet spot, and go out and meet other folks who will appreciate you and reciprocate you sentiments.

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I agree with ISmellNice. By the time you can even convince her to sleep with you, you could already been with 10 other females.

Pheros only play a small role & doesn’t change the person. Maybe this chick just has issues or possibly just not into you. Drop her & move on. Experiment your mones with someone else that will give you success!

Also you were probably using too much Ammo before. I will lower the dosage. You are 23, which means 1 spray is pretty much all you need.

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Girls are a dime a dozen man