Don't Know Which Pheromones To Use...

So there is this girl. We were talking, and in the beginning of February, I went to her dorm room (she’s a senior, I’m a graduate) and hooked up. Right before sex, I denied her, saying that when I have sex too early, it never ends well. We cuddled all night. I believe I was wearing AMMO + IH, but could be wrong.

3 days later, went to South Africa for 4 months. About a month in, she messaged me that she didn’t want a relationship with me. We didn’t talk for 6 months.

Then, in July, she starts favoriting my Tweets and starting arguments with me.

I go to visit school at the end of August, and see her. She was drunk, acts VERY snarky towards me.

The next day, she apologizes, we begin talking again, but she seems guarded and defensive.

I ask her to hang out, she says, “I don’t think so.”

Eventually, I think I broke down her defensive barriers, and she agrees to go to a haunted house with me.

Day before, she gets a concussion. She still wants to go with me, but doctor says no. So, at around 10:30PM on Friday, I went to visit her, and had on a couple of drops of A314 and 3 sprays of 2X IShine.

I couldn’t go in for a move because of the concussion, but I struggle with knowing whether I was friendzoned or not.

She’s not a typical girl. Social graces aren’t her thing, though she is VERY charming. Also, incredibly smart. I noticed myself blabbering at times, not making sense, and her just staring at me.

She didn’t pull away from my touching her, and the first thing she did when I walked into her room (her door was open, waiting for me) was spit out her gum and pull out her hairpiece. She was playing with her hairpiece the entire time.

Very early on, she wanted to talk about our hookup a couple of months earlier. I explained to her what exactly happened (she wanted complete confidentiality, I explained to her that people aren’t stupid and would figure it out), but then I said “anyways, it’s not important anymore.” She replied, “yep, ancient history,” though in her voice, it sounded like she still wanted to talk about it.

She brought up this guy who rejected her and said he ‘broke her,’ and that she finally needs to get the picture because he ‘rejected her 3 times already.’ She brought him up twice, and both times I just said ‘uh-huh’ and changed the topic. She brought up her family life and how things were going down the pooper at one point, and I did the same thing ‘uh-huh, I’m sorry, that sucks,’ then changed the topic.

There were some SUBTLE flirts, I think. I told her I wanted to be her yoga instructor, and she agreed (private lessons). She told me yesterday that the Queen of Denmark married her yoga instructor. The look she gave me was rather a ‘matter of fact’ look, or a ‘there’s a hint I’m dropping to you’ look.

Also, I brought up the size of the elephant penis (I told her I actually thought an elephant in Africa had a 5th leg), and she said something along the lines of “looks like I should have been an elephant.”

Also, something about a black dildo but I don’t remember.

It started off really good, but at the end, I felt it was awkward. She had her hand over her face (concussion) the whole time, but she would catch me staring into her eyes, and she’d stare back. Other than that, she never laid a finger on me, and I think her body was turned the opposite direction.

She knew something was bothering me when I went to visit her. I told her not to worry about it. To save face, an hour after she kicked me out of her room (she was growing tired – but I did hug her hello and goodbye), I texted her telling her “sorry that I couldn’t be more engaged, my mind was elsewhere. Otherwise, always a pleasure to pick your mind.” She’s obsessed with mind compatibility over any other kind of compatibility. She didn’t respond to this text (which is completely like her – sometimes she will write me a novel on FB messenger, other times she doesn’t respond to me at all. I’ve made it a point not to initiate – at times going days w/o talking to her).

I have made NO reference to “dates” or “relationships,” though I have tried to make it obvious with the touching. I may have done too much. I am waiting until Friday to message her asking her how her concussion is, and if she says she’s got a bill of health, I plan on asking her to do that yoga and drive around some time next week. She also told me she would like to go to the haunted house with me on Nov. 2, but for all I know, she may bail.

With all that being said, I think A314 + IShine makes me “loud salesman-y,” (although when I first went in, I was quiet and I realized she was really leaning in to listen to me). I don’t want to be that around her. I want to be a quiet confidence, sexy, and somewhat withdrawn and introspective feel around her.

So this question is two-fold. What sort of stack should I use with her? Also, friend-zoned or not?

Shouldn’t really have worn the A314 IMO. I find it gives off that serious/fatherly vibe, which doesn’t seem suitable for your situation. You want something light, playful and flirty; P83/IH/Ammo feels like a good combo. P83 for that disinhibition, IH for the deep connection and tuth for… :smiley:

You could go for a Fallout mix instead if you’re going to be seeing her often. Just my 2 cents!

Thanks, man.

At the end of the night, I texted her saying that it was always great to pick her brain. No response.

During our talk, she said something along the lines of “Kevin Spacey is the Kevin Spaceyest of Kevin Spaceys.” She must really like Kevin Spacey.

Next day, Key & Peele ran a Usual Suspects parody. I HAD to show her. I did. No response.

Yikes.

I’m going to wait until Thursday, ask her for hangout 2.0. If no response, I’ll get the picture. HOWEVER, not responding is something she is known for doing.

Can anyone back the P83 + Ammo + IH mix? I may have those 3…

Yes I agree you should wear something less serious in this situation. Couple of drops A314 is too strong in my experience, even after adding IS. What rev. are you using by the way? Either go low on the A314 and add some IS/IH, or go with an Ammo based mix. If the Ammo/IH combo is what you wore with her when you hooked, even more reason to wear it again.

In terms of game advice: you’re in a tricky situation.

Any chance the guy who ‘broke her’ might be you? Do you two have a longer history or was it just a random hook up?

Her being snarky towards you and apologizing for it later makes me think there are still some feelings underneath the surface there. Hard to say if you got friendzoned or not.

If you’re still going after her, be careful with sending mixed signals though. You already denied her once, so she’s not gonna make this easy for you. If you’re too eager with texting her to hang out - while at the same time acting like the time you hooked up ‘is not important anymore’ - , she might think you’re weak.

Nah, wasn’t me, I know who the guy is (she doesn’t know that I know of him). She didn’t talk of him in the context of “I still like him,” but that’s the vibe I got. Last time when we hooked up, same thing happened about another guy. He was texting her, and she was telling me about it, but she seemed disappointed that he was mentioning how he was ‘getting with this girl.’

I have AMMO Summer Edition (whatever that means) and some P83. Is the Summer Edition any good, and should I go get some IH as well?

EDIT: I’m just getting a ‘no good’ vibe from this entire situation. As if I sort of had a ‘final shot’ in her eyes, and blew it. She’s rational enough to know ‘hey, I DID have a concussion, so maybe he didn’t want to hurt me any further,’ but you never know, I guess.

I’ll let you guys (and gals) know what happens when I ask her to hang out then.

Reminds me of a similar situation I was in, it’s not fun at all. My advice is to not think about her too much, just focus on other girls and put her on the back-burner. There are plenty of girls WAY better out there for you, have fun experimenting with all kinds of mixes on them; it can be a blast! :smiley:

I take back all the phero advice I gave you in the previous post. After posting I rocked a job interview with an A314/IH/IS mix. It sure is easy to make an impression wearing this :smiley:

Summer Ammo: same as normal Ammo, but with a bit of P130 in it. Makes the vibe a bit more relaxed and less in-your-face. Also the scent is sweeter.

IH: if you’re going for fallout I would buy this yes. Pretty much all experienced users say the betanol in IH is crucial for creating fallout.

May I ask…what do you mean by “fallout?”

I haven’t been a regular poster in her in a while.

So,
Ammo Summer Edition (1 spray)
Instant Honesty (2 sprays)
P83 (???)

Fallout basically means a girl becoming obsessed with you, falling for you, so the door to LTR opens up :slight_smile:

I would say just go with the Ammo/IH combo you wore around her when you hooked up.

Read a thread like this if you want an estimation of how much P83 to throw in to socialize or sexualize the mix.