Some putatives have been linked with increased cognitive functions and mental focus - P100 comes to mind.
This could indicate its use as a steering/secondary component in one or more of those. The trick now is to do some swapping around to find which of the three is the critical one. 
Ohh that’s all new info to me.
Well i’ll run some test tomorrow so we know what product it’s exactly..
Weekend is coming soon maybe i’ll try this at the street, you know acting lost foreign guy and randomly ask guidance from good looking girls 
Yes I still get self effects: I would be dissapointed if I didnt as this how pheromones partially work.
I have been using pheromones for over 6 years now, if not longer.
It could also be that this poll was seen mostly by people who have only been using pheros for a short while. There is a much smaller sample of people on the forum who have been using them for any length of time. Noobs usually drop in, do a bunch of reading and question asking, have their fun, and then leave. If someone happened to vote in this poll when they were relatively new, and then feel the same way a considerable time later, there would be no way for the poll to reflect that. I was thinking that way myself: I first voted when I was in either the one-month or six-month category, but i wish I had the opportunity to withdraw that and re-vote. I would now be in the two-year category, and yes, I still feel selfies.
In order for this poll to accurately project what you are looking for, I think it would have to be offered to a controlled number of people. There would need to be an equal number of subjects from each category participating.
Lots of valid points, MMDI. But whom are you ranting at? You won’t find the definite answers your’re obviously looking for here. Nobody can tell you the health implications.
If pheromone mechanism of action really is that of neurosteroids or hormonal (which is highly likely) by absorption through the nasal mucose-membranes or even skin penetration (or else), then “unnatural” high amounts applied over longer periods will surely have tangible, neurological effects that we would most likely clasify as diametral to “normal” health, if they were to be measured. But they will not be in the forseeable future. Asyou are surely aware, neurologist don’t even know the exact mechanisms of such long-standing medication as SSRIs for example. Receptor-downregulation, yes. Health-implications? Unknown or debated. Use at your own risk.
Androtics products do work. As you, I see no reason to go higher in phero-content.
I imagine there is an overdose-threshold with any of the molecules used so far in phero-products. Sometimes it is very obvious, as with None, sometimes it is not. Under some circumstances an overdose will not seem undesireable at first glance. TAA for example. High dose feels great for a moment, but long term? No. Just like recreational drugs. Another example. If you “bombard” a female target with, say, a very high dose of A1, she will most likely be intrigued and feel well for some time. Do it every day for a week, and I doubt it will remain that way. While a mild dose can, as proven as it gets in anecdotal phero-science, ease her way through pms-times.
Genetic factors play a part. Age plays a part. Your very own hormonal situation on any given day of usage plays a part.
I agree with you. Do phero “vacations”. Only go for self-effects in situations when you really can profit from it.
Another reason for the growing popularity of high-dose mones could be placebo.
There is so much stuff in there - it got to work! That coupled with the actual impact of the dosage.
Stay on the low-side of pheromones is my suggestion. Stay with Androtics-products
I agree fully that excessively high doses are problematic – esp. in the in the very short term that many people judge by “nightly trip reports”]. I feel my own experiences validate that concern: I have long had good reason to suspect that my personal sig is unusually strong in one or more pheros, and I’ve had a few striking OD experiences with certain spray-on pheros.
I also agree that we tread in unexplored territory when it comes to medium- to long- term effects, and that this is a legitimate scientific concern. However, I personally don’t worry too much about that in my own use, until I see research supporting such concern. I think it is perfectly rational to have such concerns but I also strongly doubt that we will see studies confirming or discrediting such concerns in a timeframe that would be meaningful to us as human beings (Will you be in the same phase/station of life in 10-20 years? Will those results still be meaningful to you if/when they come?)
“Normal” is a myth to any one human. Each of us is an individual data point. When I was born, no one dreamt that building on/over very common structurally desirable geologic formations could cut your life short by decades – and it almost never will, but we now know that radioactive xenon gas can accumulate in some solid granite formations, causing a very measurable (but small) number of cancers.
I happen to have built my house over such a formation. I’m not sweating it.
I was finishing medical school when over-the-counter melatonin became completely legally sanctioned in the US as part of an “Alternative Health” reform deriving from the so-callled Health Care Reforms of the early Clinton Administration (I’ll spare you the politics), and it was widely accepted among students, residents and professors that the long term effects of melatonin supplementation was completely unstudied at that time. Yet residents still commonly took melatonin knowing this (as I did, myself – though I took 1/8th of a standard 3mcg tablet, because the studies concerning its efficacy were performed at 200ng vs the common 3mcg=3000ng OTC tablet dose) We judged that melatonin’s yet-observed short term effects were far less concerning than those of conventional sedatives, that our primary exposure would be limited to our training years, and that we would be among to first to know if a cause for concern emerged because it was part of our job to keep abreast of breaking studies.
Well, it’s been 20 years. The full-depth studies still haven’t been undertaken. I stopped taking melatonin, even at 3000/8 ng doses in the late 90s, despite a lifelong history of insomnia – yet I still recommend it to my elderly parents for occassional use, because I still believe it to be safer than the other pharmacological alternatives (my father and grandfather were also physicians; if they take my advice, it’s based on their own knowledge – and the fact that I saved them with diagnoses so tricky that they were written up in major journals)
Likewise, it is my personal judgment that medium term (months/years) exposure to pheromone sprays is likely to be fairly innocuous, even at strikingly high doses. I’m glad that MMDI raised this valid concern, but I don’t sweat it personally. I’m MUCH more concerned with the short-term interpersonal effects. You could easily blow it with “The One You Should Have Been With”, and suffer the consequences.
That’s the way life is. We’re not norms or deviations from the norm. We’re each individual data points --precious snowflakes, if you will-- molded more by such trivia as when we choose to step off the curb [did we look both ways?], a foul mood on a certain evening in a certain bar, or an impulsive fling [where we got caught] than by the parts-per-million health risks of a phero we reasonably judged safe.
So be aware and keep your eyes open. But don’t let it paralyze you. That, too, is risky
I think you may be on the right track. Personally, I prefer to use them 2 (maybe 3) days a week when I use them, and have taken long “vacations” (e.g. I haven’t used them since late September, precisely because I have seen such striking effects – mostly positive but occasionally negative). As we often say: there’s no magic bullet (but there are snipers, who dwell in a completely different operational world than the spray-and-pray gangsta).
I have learned a great deal in the past year, both from periods of use and vacations, and my observations give me solid confidence that the effects are real (which is always tricky because the human capacity for self-deception is so strong that people commonly go their entire lives clinging to ‘obvious proof via observation’ that is false.
I may be wrong, but I think I’ve seen about as strong an effect as I could reasonably expect, though pheros alone are far from the whole story. And I definitely miss them on my vacations!
I’m grateful that Androtics makes it so easy to experiment today. I only regret that I didn’t have access to this in my 20s after spectacular results with Jovan Andron in the 1980s [much stronger than most, I’m sure] and the early 1990s from an [undoubtedly attenuated] forgotten stash stored in a cool, dark, dry location.
Since pheros AREN’T magic bullets, are highly personalized by our private signatures, physiology, microflora, and countless other factors, and our experiences are never as complete/impartial as we’d like, pheros may be a sometimes frustrating hobby/tool, especially if we are selective in our goals. I can’t imagine how it must sometimes feel to those who have been using them actively for years–but I’m glad to be here, now
And I’m grateful for those people who get the complexities.
It’s a good time/place to be. The future will (I hope) be better, but “ya dance with the gals who show up, else you’ll never dance at all”. And THAT would be tragic.
Alas, that is not my aim at present, but you make me remember my 20s, even without augmentation (I didn’t use Andron as much as I might have, because I took years to develop the experience and observational skill to CLEARLY distinguish it’s effects from my (then-) baseline and “luck”, and then it was taken off the market)…
…and when I recall those days, it’s tempting to try that route again. But that’s not my style now.