Problems with getting rid of Androstenone - help!

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Okay, this really sucks. I got androstenone on some article of clothing, but I don’t know what it is.

I’ve concluded that I’m unbelievably sensitive to androstenone. Trouble is I can’t smell it that well. It’s weird, sometimes I can smell it, sometimes I can’t. What’s more weird is when you walk around thinking you OD’d because people farther away are holding/rubbing their noses but people closer to you have no issues.

Yesterday I did this_

I put on 4 sprays of Instant Openness x2 all to my neck. I also dabbed some Instant Shine under my nose. I went to a coffee shop in the morning to read a paper, get a coffee. There, some Asian chick was ringing me up. I told her what I wanted and she said okay, and handed me my change. Then she just stood there, lol. She was like, “wait, what did you want?” And just got really red in the face. I laughed and just couldn’t help it. She was totally out of it, like a dihl. But anyway, I wasn’t expecting this with IO and IS.

I figure there must be some article of clothing that is reeking of androstenone? but what, because I’ve washed all my clothes with Oxi-Clean several times over. I even added Nioxin to the wash. What’s more, I pre-soaked all my clothes in the bath tub, using hydrogen peroxide and nioxin shampoo.

Today I did this_

In the morning I put on a spray of Instant Openness x2 on my sweater. I also put on 2 sprays of MX204 on my sweater. MX204 is apparently 12.5mcg of TAK in a to-go bottle. I went to Staples to get some stuff. The cashier was really into me. She blushed quite a bit and put her hands on her hips while arching her breasts sort of thing. She also leaned over the desk to literally sniff my neck as she told me to sign the receipt. She appeared somewhat older though, and I noticed what seemed to be an engagement ring so I didn’t run game or anything. Still, this is not something I would expect with Instant Openness.

Does MX204 have any androstenone-like effects?

I just can’t seem to get rid of the androstenone or whatever it is stuck on me. Can androsteNOL smell bad to some people? Or what about TAK (aka MX204)?

I’ve already thrown about 20 pairs of boxers, ipod earbuds, 35 undershirts, and a leather belt in the trash because I just couldn’t seem to get the androstenone residue off of them. I’m honestly curious if this is just me or is there something else I can be doing?

How do I get away from this stuff!?!?
Where is the best place to spray Pheromones
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Oh by the way, I love the effects TAK has on myself. I’ll report on that later. It’s almost like being high without the loss of motor control.

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Wow. I was wondering if there was any -none at all on your clothes … but you threw them out?

I think the reactions you get with alpha-nol and shine sound like normal / plausible hits – not necessarily something that you’d get six times an hour, but one a day? Why not?

I don’t see anything in the behaviors you described as -none driven.

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^ well, in addition to those 2 things, I also noticed a lot of people holding their noses. Guys were very nervous / fidgety, most girls were standoffish or very into me, and people generally distanced themselves unless I went up to them like at the cafe and store, where the chick couldn’t really get out of the situation. I think there is some androstenone on some part of my clothes because when I’m driving with the window down I can smell it, and when I’m walking through a door way, in front of a fan, etc. I can also smell it then. It’s definitely there.

You know how on CSI they have those lights they use to see if there’s blood on clothes of the suspect? I just wish there was something like that to detect androstenone on clothes.

I’ve even tried acetone, and vinegar also to wipe residue. If there was something to get rid of androstenone quickly and effectively, I would buy a year supply of it, and probably buy a whole lot more pheromones too.

It seems like I wash my clothes, then I come into contact with some object or whatever that still has residue from before. And then i’m like oh shit, here we go again. It’s like I have to quarantine everything that has androstenone residue on it. It’s an ordeal.

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What makes you think it got there? Did you have a spill, or use OD levels of -none for a while?

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Yeah, a long time ago, when I first bought NPA from Love Scent, I spilled about 80% of a 10ml vial all over an undershirt. That was in May 2006. I tossed that shirt under my bed and didn’t touch it. It was before I’d started really using NPA and didn’t know how strong it was.

Then one time I was cleaning my room I forgot about that shirt and just tossed it in the laundry with all my other under shirts. Huge mistake. All my other shirts got it. All that NPA is quite a lot.

Then I thought I was “permanently OD’d” on Primal Instinct, but it was actually from residue on the shirts. So I put all my undershirts in my hamper, thinking I could probably wash them or something and went and bought new undershirts. It was good for a while. Then I forgot that I had androstenone-soaked undershirts in my laundry hamper, and I had also tossed my jeans in there.

Shit. I didn’t realize it until I went out one day and seemed like I had a huge OD but hadn’t put on any pheromones. I smelled my jeans and I could really smell a stench. So I washed my jeans about 7 times with Oxi-Clean and on the 8th time I pre-soaked them in the tub filled with hot water and Nioxin shampoo. I still haven’t worn them. I will tomorrow though.

But then, I noticed my leather belt, from having worn it with the androstenone-soaked jeans was also smelling like androstenone. I can smell androstenone when I hold stuff close to my nose. Anyway, my belt definitely smelled bad, so I tossed it today and bought a new one.

Washing androstenone off of my towels has also been pretty tough. I have to wash them several times. And still, I don’t know if it’s all gone like on my jeans, because yes, I can smell androstenone but apparently not as well as other people, so they could still be contaminated.

By the way, to anyone who’s reading this who may have tried ozonating stuff, how effective is that?

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Smooth, I don’t think androstenone makes people hold their noses. It’s not like it’s indole or something!

I read your threads on L-S about this and frankly I think you’ve just made yourself a little crazy on this subject and need to stop being so self-conscious. The behavior you described sounds perfectly normal and expected. Even if you catch whiffs of -none it doesn’t mean other people can, or that it would bother them.

If you’re somehow still carrying a bit of -none on you, or making a lot of it yourself, wearing the -nol and all the other stuff you’re experimenting with will balance it out.

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Hi Carrie.

On this one I think Smooth may actually have a point. I have seen unconscious finger to nose contact time after time when wearing too much 'none. It’s really awkward because one tends to be super aware of it - it’s hard to ignore and one wants to say 'oops - sorry about that, I wore too much ‘none’. (But of course on the occasions when one does mention this to a phero-aware friend, they have no idea what you are talking about).

I have had some problems with buildup myself. Sadly Oxyclean is only available in UK if you import it yourself (not good for a bulky product) though I am experimenting with other peroxide products that I am hoping work okay for clothes. Nioxin works okay though not just great for skin and hair and I just picked up some 9% hydrogen peroxide at Selfridges pharmacy (not so easy to get in the UK).

I think at slightly higher doses you get girls spraying crazy amounts of perfume on themselves. (Reported occasionally here and Love Scent and have seen that myself too).

You have a pont here though. It probably doesn’t matter that much if you OD a little and it’s unlikely they will attribute it to you.

Yep.

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V interesting. TAK doesn’t seem just to do what I thought it did. V interested to know what effects you get if you wear just 204 without anything else.

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Maybe I am being a little overly self-conscious, but I think it’s because im really aware of body language. Same thing as PheroQuirk said, it’s just awkward noticing it.

In that case I probably need to buy some to-go Instant Openness. Yesterday I noticed the Instant Openness definitely overshadowed the -none, but not as much as I wanted i guess. I think some people (esp. the few guys I noticed really with hands to their noses) could be just irritated by the strong earthy smell of TAK. Yeah, Im going to get some to-go for these situations.

whoa I have no idea how I could get 9%. I have 3% and it seems to work okay. Yesterday when I sprayed some on (i put it in a spray bottle), it seemed to really decrease the OD. I’ll try to look for a higher percentage though. It surely seems like hydrogen peroxide works best on my skin. Thanks for this tip by the way, I first learned about using hydrogen peroxide from you.

I don’t think it was the TAK. I haven’t noticed what TAK does to others really, unless that was it, but I don’t think it was. I figured out yesterday the problem was that my bracelet (like the Lance Armstrong ones) was really smelling like -none. What a discovery, I never knew it smelled so bad. Like Carrie said Ive just become overly conscious about -none smell. I just want to get rid of it.

For myself TAK is like being high. It really makes me relaxed and I like the effect. I’ll try that today though, just TAK by itself.

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i notice when i wear white cap a314 everyone sniffles or coughs around me, k like when i walk in the bathroom people start to cough especially old people

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There is a tiny amount of -none in A314. I wonder what your blood type might be…

Is it winter and everyone is getting colds?

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well, got back home today, and I think I still have androstenone on me, unless someone else in the vicinity was wearing it. I could smell it when I was walking up and down stairs that are sort of enclosed on the sides. and I could smell it when walking through crowded hallways (in my university/campus). It’s like I can smell it best in warm, enclosed areas, and especially when walking past cars with engines on and when walking past people (both are warm - I don’t know why this is, but that’s just been my observation).

In class, it was obvious I had residue from something. I only put on 2 sprays of MX204 on my hands and rubbed them together. My prof. who is pretty hot actually got really wide-eyed when she looked at me every time, and her eyes bulged. she was sitting directly across from me (since I have a habit of sitting in the middle of the classroom), and she was open/closing her legs constantly while getting red. I kid you not, pretty much all the chicks were twirling/playing with their hair. This wasn’t as bad as yesterday, but still a couple guys seemed deathly nervous. By bad I mean like the way people were nervous. I don’t think girls being like that is bad, and I introduced myself to a couple of them :wink: - I just want people to be a bit more comfortable.

Still, I’m sure I was OD’d. It’s just frustrating because you get extreme reactions from people. Girls love you and guys don’t want anything to do with you. I didn’t even want to put on anything today, other than TAK to see if it could hopefully balance out the androstenone.

I got a feeling there could be androstenone on the steering wheel of my car, because I have this leather thing I wrapped around it to protect the actual steering wheel. plus, I noticed the water bottle I was drinking from earlier smells like androstenone, and so does the backside of my cellphone. Aaaa!

Question: Does androstenone just wear off by itself after a while? If anyone knows, it would be great, and I promise I’ll lay off the androstenone obsessive posts :wink:

I’m hoping so because I can deal with this level of “somewhat OD” until it goes away. I mean, I could care less if guys avoid me, because my guy friends seem cool around me, it’s just strangers that get scared off. and I’m usually trying to get to know new girls around school anyways mostly.

i think I’ll buy some to-go Instant Openness and try to get some of the highest percent hydrogen peroxide I can find. If anyone has online links to places they buy stuff from websites, it would be cool if you could post. Thanks.

So anyway, I’ll be going out again in a little while but I’ll put on some more Instant Openness and TAK to see if it calms stuff down a little.

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Dealing with this situation is, I suspect, going to be profitable to every last one of us. So I don’t think apologies are in order – we’re with you, fella. I’m guessing that we all wish you well, and also want to know what works and how this turns out.

I should mention that my first order of -none explicit product is on its way: I opted for the 10mcg/spray bottle of unscented pure -none. Hey, I’m 54 years old, A- blood type, and my -none output is probably only significant on a logarithmic scale. I intend to apply it to my belt / buckle, below my navel, and to the fly of my jeans: but I suspect I will be diluting it more than I planned, heh! I’m also thinking of getting some of Burt’s Bee Balm and melting that down and mixing in a bit of -none. It should make one hella lip gloss!

Hoping your journey to -none free state is safe and swift,

Cheers

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I don’t know how helpful this will be to you since I’m female, but I noticed when I was using The Edge/w and NPA/w (both of which contain -none) that it changed the scent and strength of my sweat … as if I were absorbing it and then sweating it out. That continued for 1-2 weeks after I stopped using it, and I wasn’t doing any sweaty workouts to hasten the process back then, so I think that if you are exercising and sweating regularly, you would probably get through the process much faster.

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Mark, you must be some kind of crazy guy! :wink::open_mouth:

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Carrie, I plan to dilute the -none by volume to 1:10 and add some tea tree oil. That will give me about a 1mcg per spray concentration, heh!

The lip balm might have a bit more -none per application, perhaps 2 mcg.

I LIKE kissing! (Thank you R0N!)

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Okay, maybe it’s YOU! Change in diet? Excercising more/less? Suppliments?

Changed your wardrobe to all new items entirely?

What happens when you go without ANY added products over a period of time?

Could the stuff gotten into your bedding and you pick it up while you sleep? Towels? Furniture cushions?

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THAT is the problem. it could be any of those things but I don’t know which ones. it’s really insane. after this is over i’m not touching pheromones for a year.

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Get alot of isoproply alcohol (a gallon or so) and a bag of car shamies (walmart for both).

Wipe down everything you own, your car, watch, bracelet, keyboard, toilet. I mean EVERYTHING you may touch, hell eventhe things you dont.

wash everything you possibly can with double the amount of oxiclean, maybe tripple in small loads to make sure you have a high concentraion.

shampoo your carpet with some oxiclean, and clean the upolstry in your car.

If you want to go even further, try some oxypads (face cleaner) on your body before you go out. You might want to put some lotion on prior to moisturize your skin so the pads will be more affective.

Test it. Go out and buy 1 new outfit. shoes sock underwear. Clean yourself with proxide/nioxin/whatever/soak in a tub/sauna put on the new outfit that has touched nothing at all and leave. Have a friend drive you so you are not in your car. then go experiment

I may be build up through your system like carrie said and will take time to get rid of, or it could be in your head. You may be so worried about it you are throwing off the body language that makes people agressive, or thinking about it so much your are producing a negative pheromone signiture.

After all you have done I can’t see any pheasable way there is any -none anywere. The stuff diffuses into air. They are all volitile to an extent, which means that they will evaporate completely after a time period.

Even carbon had a half life, androstenone definately does as well.