trying to remove androstenone

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Hey guys,

I bought SOE, NPA, and APC from love-scent.com. I dont know if you guys are familiar with the products they have over there. SOE is Scent of Eros and it has androstenol and androsterone. NPA and APC are both pure androstenone.

I applied the pheromones to my skin no more than 2 times. Once on a weekend, and again on the next weekend. I had a little bit of an OD experience, and some fun, but I did all I could to wash it off and the next day at school was miserable, the teachers suddenly became retards and could not pay attention enough to teach the class. One of my professors, an elderly lady, began calling my home phone and emailing me at a rate that was disturbing. At that point I was ready to abandon pheromones. I should also note that when I first got them, I kept the bottles open sitting on the table, because I was feeling the buzz and enjoying it. The third time I used them, I applied them to a kleenex tissue, and put it inside a ziploc freezer bag, so that I could make the smell permeate my room without having to put them on (I had some girls coming over). This made for a fun weekend, but again the next day at school the fallout was even worse. My whole apartment stunk, so I tossed out all my pheromones and went about trying to figure out how to remove the smell for good. That was 3 weeks ago. Things have gotten better, but its still a problem for me.

Then I read Smoothplayer’s post about getting rid of androstenone. I think it was Jasmin who said to use oxi-clean and an ozonator. I’ve been using oxi-clean with some results, but I still have issues. I ordered an ozonator online and it should arrive tomorrow (I hope!). For now I’m just going to go buy a whole new set of clothes to wear that are uncontaminated. Hopefully that will tell me if its on my skin or my clothes (I suspect both). I’ve also tried odor neutralizer airosol spray. I can’t tell if the -none is gone or not until I go out and have to be around people. Usually men seem either frightened or aggressive, and women seem to turn red, get confused, or simply start sweating and stinking, which makes me aroused and lightheaded, confused, and also feeling very uncomfortable. When these reactions reduce in fequency, I’ll know that the -none has been neutralized.

I also read in another thread that someone got good results from using an ionic breeze type of air purifier. I dont know if that works, but I’m willing to buy one to see if it works, and I’m willing to try anything to get rid of this -none.

Advice is welcome, and I’ll let you guys know how the ozonator works!

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Yes we are familar with LS products they are very good.

Did you use them all at once? If you were going to OD it would have more likely been the day you applied. Some people do have next day effects but after a few showers its gone. Anone is stickier then other mones but not that sticky or it would never diffuse off your skin to effect anyone. I am thinking you are having a placebo effect. Your afraid you are going to OD so you attribute every mood a person is having to a anone OD. Sometimes people are nasty just because they are. Mones enhance but do not have the power you are describing.

Anone can be smelly but EOW is far stinkier and I have spilled it and gotten the smell out with a few shots of fabreeze on the carpet and oust to the air.

Peroxide will take it right off your body and oxyclean will get it off your cloths. You should only need to do it once and thats that its gone.

Seems more likely that your having a allegic reaction of some kind but that would not explain why girls turn red and get confused. You do realise that when some girls are attracted to someone they will blush (turn red) and become nervous (act confused) so it just may be that the product worked or if this was after the day you applied the are attracted to you without the mones.

Most ODs are not like this. You would most likly be ignored or the product would show no results at all.

Tisha

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Yes I used them all at once. I applied a small roll-on of SOE, and a dab of each NPA and APC. I heard that was supposed to be a good mix, although I didnt attempt to get the exact proportions right.

I must admit that about 50% of what I’m experiencing must be placebo… however maybe some of it is due to an allergic reaction. I’ve never had an allergy to anything before so I dont know what allergic reactions are like. I do know that my sense of smell becomes very acute and I can smell every little thing in my environment (an effect I have read to be associated with androstenone) and if I’m near people for too long (such as sitting at a dinner table), I begin to smell their smells, it gets worse and my stomach starts to churn and I get gassy, lose my appetite, and have to go take a #2, sometimes several times.

What seems to me to have happened is there was a certain jacket I was wearing when I first put on the pheromones and went out. I put them on my wrists. The pheromones must have absorbed into the ends of the jacket sleeves. Then I washed the jacket in a load with a bunch of other clothes, not thinking it would be a problem. Now it seems like most of my clothes have a tiny bit of -none residue in them. I have been using oxi-clean, but I’m still getting the pheromone effects when I go outside, people on the bus try to force open conversations with me, women ask me inane questions like “what time does the bus arrive at such and such street?” how am I supposed to know? That’s really not a bad thing, but it tells me there’s still pheros in my clothes or on me, and that if I have to spend 3+ hours in a tiny classroom with no ventilation at school, things are gonna get ugly.

I’m a young guy so I probably already produce a fair amount of natural pheros. I must have OD’d in the beginning, and now the levels of pheros have reduced enough that I’m getting more normal effects. I’ve showered at least 20 times and done all my laundry 3x, one time with oxi-clean, but it still lingers. I hope my ozonator arrives soon!

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OK I really feel for you. But this is not a OD effect. What you are saying is virtually impossible. Allthough you never should have used all those products together and you wasted them by throwing them out instead of learning to use them correctly its still not nearly enough to OD or have any kind of build up.

I dont want to be rude or mean because I believe you believe this is from the products but I am pretty sure its your imagination. You have read about the OD effect and now your nervous about getting it and so you believe you smell it.

Now there is one more possiblity. Maybe you do make alot of anone and now that your know what anone smells like you are smelling your own. Still that would not explain the reactions you preceive you are getting.

Giving you the benefit of the doupt I will give you this advice that I have used on my kids when they got sprayed by a skunk.

Try this go to the pet store like Petco. Really I am not teasing. Look for Natures Miracle stain and odor remover its non toxic. Spray that on your cloths. In the air and on your bed. This stuff is used alot on people and animals when they get sprayed by skunks its good and it works and skunk spray is the worst smelling stickiest stuff on earth just about.

Go to the drug store or walmart. Get a suger scrub in the ladies bath section. This will take off a few layers of skin in the shower and its good for your skin. This way anything that was absorbed will come off with the dead skin layers and your natural sig will come through better.

Whoops forgot a step. Use peroxcide on a cotton ball and rub on the application points. This will remove anone from your skin. Dont put it on cloths or in hair.

If you still smell it then you are smelling your own natural anone. You just recognize it now. Dont look at every mood a person has as being about you. I tell that to people who actively use mones to.

Hun thats just a normal question its not mones even if your wearing them with fresh application. Now if she grabbed you by the kahonaas when she asked that would be the anone.

People are going to talk to you even without anone. Dont worry there is no way you have enough left on you to cause a problem at all. Hell I know guys younger then you who wear as much as you described every day without a problem.

This is in no way associated to mones. Prehaps you have a virus or something. If this keeps happening put some vasaline on a qtip and put it in your nose a little. Dont stuff it up there just on the inner rim of your nose. It will stop any smell from entering. Or stick your face in a can of coffee it will reset your sense of smell. I am not kidding we do it in the perfume store all the time when we smell to many scents in a row.
Tisha

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I hate to tell you this, but once in a very great while we get someone who has a paranoid reaction. Sounds like this is what’s happening to you. If you search the older posts here and at Love-Scent, you’ll find some threads on the subject. People were certain they were being stocked, that people were all reacting badly to them, that the people in the car next to them could smell their ~mones even though both cars had their windows rolled up, or that a woman could smell their ~mones through a plate glass window. They were claiming this days or even weeks and months after they stopped using the ~mones.

Just relax and take some deep breaths, everything will be OK!:slight_smile:

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Here’s what I did today: I went out and bought an entirely new outfit, pants, shirt, underwear, socks, so that I could be certain I was wearing something with absolutely no pheromones in it. I felt 1000% better today. I went to class, went to the store, no weird reactions, no fumbling of change by the teller, no absent mindedness. Now, I know some people are gonna tell me, well its the placebo effect because you know for sure the clothes you were wearing had no pheromones, so that caused you to psychologically not have the paranoia anymore. I mean, how powerful can the placebo effect be? If it really was this powerful, why not just sell placebos, we’d get just as much attention from the opposite sex.

So I return to my apartment, and I caught a little whiff of something, I dont know how to describe it, but I think its the smell of decomposing androstenone - sort of an ammonia or piss smell, but very slight, and my stomach has returned to feeling queasy, and my head feeling spaced out. I dont think the placebo effect can account for these types of obvious physiological changes.

I’m certain now that there aren’t any pheromones in my skin, and that its all in my clothes, or perhaps absorbed into my carpet or who knows where else. My ozonator hasn’t arrived yet, but I’ll let you all know how it goes. At least I found a temporary solution!

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The placebo effect can be very powerful. Consider voodoo, it can only kill you if you believe in it, aka placebo effect, but it can kill you if you believe in it.

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Early today, in predawn light, I applied what I thought was A314. I gave it a mighty jolt and out gushed about 10% of a bottle of NPA. Made a 3 inch wide puddle on my forearm. Damn thought I, and rubbed both arms together, covered it with Burberry Weekend and walked out the door. I guess this will either be my OD or ultra horny day. Now I don’t have any self-effects even with OD level doses. However observing those around can be entertaining. I’m due to give a midterm in 5 minutes…

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Poor kids :frowning:, their scared enough already.:open_mouth:

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Oh my god, Gegogi, you are ridiculous. I can’t believe how much stuff you guys put on. Some people wear that stuff every day? There’s something about this pheromone thing that I’m just not understanding. Today was far different than yesterday. I still had on my 100% clean clothes, but today I was getting the strange reactions, I could smell the strong scent of nearby women, and one time I looked over at a woman and she was sort of crouching a little with her but sticking way back, like she was in heat, and I could smell her very strongly.

What’s happening, I thought I had a temporary solution?? I live in a highly populated downtown area, so I pass by literally hundreds of people on my 20 minute walk to school. Smelling one person and getting a weird reaction from them is one thing, but literally smelling the pheromone BO of hundreds of people is just plain nauseating. By the time I made it to school I was feeling very nauseas and I wanted to throw up, so I turned around and came home.

The first experience I had today was that some lady with her kids was crossing a busy street, and a car tried to push its way through the crosswalk of people. The lady went into a rage and began ranting about “it’s always men! Men always, always do these stupid things like that, and like not asking for directions. I hate men!” and she was screaming it in front of her kids. I’ve lived in the city for 4 years and I’ve never seen anything like that before. It was just bizarre. That could have totally been a coincidence, but it was just the beginning of seeing all the strange things happening with women today.

So what was different about today that caused this? There’s only one thing I can think of, and its that I realized that my closet is relatively airtight, so whatever residual pheromones are in there on my clothes dont have a chance to ventilate. So last night I opened my bathroom window, and then opened the closet door that connects to the bathroom, creating a corridor of ventilation that bypasses my bedroom, but goes through the bathroom. In the morning when I went to take a shower, the bathroom had a very slight, but pungent aroma that smells like what I think is androstenone - a sort of ammonia or piss smell. So could it be that just taking a shower in that room with the smell, it stuck to my body and thats what caused the effects of today??

I know to you guys it must sound crazy, but this is the real experience I’m having. From my perspective, it seems crazy that you guys didnt ever have any problems with trying to remove pheromones. That they never stuck around as long as mine have, and that you could be a clean slate after doing your laundry 2X and scrubbing your application points. To me, you guys have got to be crazy to NOT notice it still lingering. And to not notice when people become abnormally agitated and aggressive for no reason, other than they must be detecting -none.

I had no prior knowledge of specifically what the OD effects were. I started getting OD effects, and then I looked them up and confirmed what they were. So anyone who tells me I’m getting them because I expected to get them, I didn’t.

Ok I’m feeling a bit angry about the whole situation, but my sincere thanks to everyone who has given advice and has offered help. I’m upset because I’m starting to realize that if the ozonator, when it arrives, doesnt work, then I’ll probably have to toss out most or all of my old clothes and buy a whole new wardrobe.

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First, when I read what you wrote to Gegogi, ~I~ was pissed. You were ranking on him when he made it clear that the spill was an accident, that he was trying to shake a drop of what he thought was A314. I think you owe him an apology.

Now, on to the main point. If you have a hypersensitive response, does that mean that others who don’t have such a response are stupid or ridiculous because they use more product? Grow up.

My hypothesis is that you’re hysterical, because I’m actively doubting that you actually can smell the phero-BO of hundreds of people. So, hysterical as in “imagination running away with you”.

And even if you’re suffering terribly, no one here owes you a solution.

So we are interested and concerned and mostly willing to help you I’d guess … I have to be honest and say that from your writing a new wardrobe does not sound like so much of a financial burden as an inconvenience.

This is an adventure, and no one here can “make everything all right” for you. A good adventure at the cost of getting a new wardrobe sounds like a fair bargain.

There are no guarantees, you are in terra incognita.

There have been others here presenting similar problems as yours. The one I’m thinking of stuck around long enough to tell us he had some conversations with his therapist and got over the paranoia and illusion of pheros contaminating everything in his life.

So while it may seem to you as if your situation is unique and special and deserving of heroic efforts and attention, but my real experience is that you will get over it, and that time, not anything we say or do, is what will help the most.

Regrets, but that’s how I see it.

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Ok thanks MarkL. I think thats what I needed to hear.

Sorry Gegogi for saying that you’re ridiculous for wearing lots of pheromones. I’m sure you must have had a rough day after spilling them on yourself. My condolences.

For me, people telling me that I’m imagining all the smells, responses from other people, and my body feelings, stomach rumblings, headaches, sweats, etc. is insulting to me because that is what I’m actually experiencing, whether it’s imagined or not. All I wanted to hear was someone else saying yes I’ve been through the same experience, here’s what to do about it. Nobody seems to have been having the experience I have, and none of the solutions proposed so far have worked, so that is a bit distressing to me.

My ozonator hasn’t arrived today, so I’ll have to wait until monday at the soonest. Until then, Tacitus in another thread called “cleaning pheromones” has suggested using household ammonia.

I googled household ammonia and found that it’s commonly used to remove pet stains, specifically to soak up and clean the pet pheromones. This looks promising! So I went and bought some. The label says you can pour a little into a saucer and let it sit to eliminate odors in the room. I’m trying it for now until I get a chance to try it in my laundry. I’m hoping it will soak up air-borne pheromones.

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Number 1 Gegogi is not ridiculous. He is a very experienced educated pheromone users who knows exactly what he is doing.

Most men on this forum and on the LS forum which you have already been to have used Androstenone and while it stinks it does not stick around like this.

Please do not take this the wrong way. We do want to help you but I think you need more help then we can give.

I think you suffer from either OCD, Obsessive compulsive disorder or hyperosmia which is also a form of OCD. You have yourself convinced that you can smell peoples pheromones or BO. I notice you never mention the people around you noticing the smell on your cloths. This should tell you something. I suggest you see a doctor and maybe he can convience you that what your saying is impossible and give you some help.

If you were simply sensitive to smell like the testers in the UC Berkely article you posted before then it would not be to just pheromones.

Tisha

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Yes, I’m definitely having the symptoms of hyperosmia. The only things I can really smell hyper-vividly though are people’s perfume and body odor. I had zero hyperosmia yesterday after I put on newly bought clothes. I had bad hyperosmia today. All the people I smelled made me feel sort of sick in my stomach.

Some of the articles I read just now on hyperosmia say it can be caused by exposure to toxic chemicals, or it can be caused by your brain being knocked about inside your head, or by a brain tumor. Are there toxic chemicals in the pheros I bought? I have to admit, when I first bought them I took a big whiff of each one to feel the “buzz”. I was in a serious car accident 3 years ago that left no physical injury but I rolled down a hill 4 times over and that certainly could have injured my brain and led to damaged olfactory nerves. I did have bad PTSD from the accident, which completely went away using a technique fom NLP. That the hyperosmia has shown itself now right when I buy the pheros certainly seems like a big coincidence. The other possibility is that I have a brain tumor, which also seems like an unlikely coincidence to happen right now.

Thanks for the info. It sure couldn’t hurt me to see a doctor at this point. I didnt have any of these symptoms at all before smelling the pheromones. I hope there wasn’t some bad chemical in them that damaged my sense of smell.

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Most pheromones are synthetic so yes there are some chemicals in them but nothing toxic or they would not be able to sell them. Course if you drank them or something it would be toxic but so is water if you drink to much.

Alot of people get the phero buzz so thats normal and go’s away in a few minutes. I dont think you have a tumor either. If you had PTSD its highly likely you could have developed a OCD with pheromones or BO. Alot of people who usually have one get the other. I am not to surprised it has shown now. Makes sense really. Your reading up on pheromones and learning about them so your thinking about scents more then you did before.

Dont worry they have meds for OCD and Hyperosmia. There is no bad chemical in any of the products at LS or here. If there was then you would not be the only one with this problem out of all these people who use alot everyday. Think about it.

Really go to your doctor. I can tell just from your post you are having some kind of anxiety thing going on.

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Just a quick update. I think the ammonia in a dish is working. I walked into my closet and already I’m feeling much calmer than when I normally walk in. Also, I seem to remember reading up on some other guy in this or the LS forum who was having this hyperosmia thing - that his sense of smell was heightened - but he said that he noticed it got much worse when he walked by a car giving off exhaust. That’s funny, because I live in a heavily congested downtown area, and there is a constant stream of traffic on my street (hills of san francisco) just a few floors below me. Could it be the exhaust + pheromones = increased hyperosmia?

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No real offense taken. I figured you were talking off the top of your head and without much knowledge or experience. Realize everyone’s persona and body chemistry react with pheromones differently. What works great for a middle aged Asian music professor might get a young whippersnapper whipped. As for my day, it was incredible! I was not only treated with great respect, but women were following me around and begging for my attention. I really had a hard time getting rid of them. The NPA seemed to really help draw them in. Now I’m not an idiot and understand that such high of a dose wasn’t a good idea and was likely to make people uncomfortable. So I buffered the massive NPA mishap with 3 zaps of Instant Female Magic and 2 zaps of Instant Honesty. Turns out to be a killer combo…

Incidentally, I can wear more androstenone than most men. Probably being a -noneless Asian male with the complexion of Buddha has something to do with it.

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I told you this in the 5th post in this thread.Every once in a while someone runs into this problem, You’ll be OK.

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Alright I’m getting pretty good results with using ammonia in my laundry, and ozonating my closet and ozonating my clothes by using a plastic storage bin as an ozonation box. At least the irritation it was causing me has seemed to vanish. I’ll have to see how it is when I go out into the real world. So far the weird reactions from people and the smells I could smell have reduced by many magnitudes.

That’s too bad for me that I have such a bad reaction to pheromones. It looks like I wont be able to use them. In all likelyhood I could have legitimate hyperosmia that gets exacerbated by pheromones. I might buy some more SOE and use tiny amounts… using it not as a “get laid” tool like I was trying to do, but rather just as a social enhancer. At least now I know exactly how to destroy them. Hopefully someone can write up a really comprehensive post on removing pheromones and make it a sticky. I’d be willing to contribute my findings.

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That would be me! :open_mouth::smiley:

Yes, I agree, I overreacted, I’m okay now. What’s up Sublime, hope you’re getting this out of your system soon. Just stay off the pheromones for a couple months. Get close with someone and forget about it all. I know that sounds random, but if you got a gf, just spend some time with her and forget about pheromones for a while. If you have close family or friends, spend time with them. Then when your completely clear-minded, you’ll notice all these same reactions are just normal things that were happening before you ever used pheromones.

That’s when you can start using pheromones again. You need to get your inner issues solved. It’s not the pheromones, trust me. And be thankful this is happening to you. I feel like I appreciate pheromones more now than before. I now understand why Gegogi says it’s 90% you and 10% the pheromones. Because it is mostly based on how you can use that “edge” …