snoopy's mix plus p96: a comprehensive multi-night report

new readers:

  • “jfg” is “just friends girl,” a girl i’m just friends with.

  • “A” is her friend, we have taken a slight liking to each other.

  • snoopy’s mix is a custom blend of androstenone, p95, tal, and tac, made by snoopyace here on the forums and abbreviated as “sm.” the best emoticon to describe it is :open_mouth:

in short, i know what A’s bed looks like (but not how it feels; let’s take it easy here :slight_smile: ) because as they usually do, pheros came out to surprise me.

final mix for last night:
1s sm neck
1s p96 25mcg neck
.5s p96 12.5mcg split forearms (i found out the wine tasting wasn’t terribly formal so i wore a long sleeved shirt with the sleeves rolled up nicely)
1d a314 r24 p90e
creed aventus cover

lots of hits to cover so i’ll just skim through the story parts.

pick jfg up and start the 20 minute drive to the restaurant. casual chatting all the way.

hit #1: jfg picked up my ipod and started changing songs. this was a bit out of place since i keep it on shuffle and she’s always been a fan of the songs. i guess last night she really wanted to hear specific songs at specific times. the ipod is in my center console where i usually rest my arm while driving. she was resting her elbow on the other side and when she wanted to grab the ipod, she would rotate her arm so that it was parallel to and touching mine, then brush my hand as she selected songs. unusually high amount of kino.

overall phero hit: we had a very deep conversation about past relationships and other related topics. i think my long term use of pheros helped her feel like she could trust me and really open to me, and the addition of a314 last night put that over the top. genuine conversation, really nice.

we get to the restaurant. the wine tasting was set up so that you sit at a table with a few other people and different wines are brought to you. lo and behold we see two people we mutually met from earlier in the summer. we all sit together at the table.

hit #2: high respect and status. the waiter came around to take orders from a menu of complimentary accompaniments (cheese, fruit, etc) and everyone looked to me to order. while we were tasting, everyone (jfg included) asked about me, what i was up to, current social life, basically really wanted to hear what i had to say.

the wine tasting wraps up and jfg and i part ways with the other guys. our next stop was one of the local “thursday night” bars. on the way there jfg got a text from A that she was planning on going there too. great, i thought, more testing for me. (i would later get more than i bargained for) i only hoped my mix hadn’t worn off yet.

the bulk of my hits from this mix are with A so first a little backstory and then hits in chronological bullet form.

backstory: as a recap, the first time i met A was right before going to a house party with her. something that wasn’t mentioned in that report was that when we walked in to the house party, a guy came up to her and immediately started hitting on her. all night this guy would just follow her around except for when she was talking to me. i had a couple of chats with my roommate and jfg and we figured he thought he was cool for hitting on the girl that i brought. no big deal; i had no reason to get mad because i had only known A for about an hour longer than that guy. let’s call him “G” for this report.

hits:

  • what are the chances? A walks over to where jfg and i are standing and she has G in tow. immediately i give G a big smile and shake his hand firmly. i found out later that this elevated my respect level greatly in the eyes of A. she knew that everyone thought it was weird G hit on her immediately at the party, even after a few rejections. further, a communication break somewhere resulted in her thinking i wasn’t going to be at the bar, so she brought G. she had seen me and jfg standing and actually circled the bar a few times deciding whether or not she should bring G over, assuming that i didn’t like him (technically i’m not a fan of him, but whatever). we chatted late into the night as you’ll see in later hits and she told me that she thought it was very “better man” of me to make the first move and properly introduce myself to G, and put whatever differences we had aside for the sake of having a good time at the bar.
  • not really a hit but A went to hug jfg as i was shaking hands with G, and when all was done and we took to our barstools, i ended up between A and G and nobody really thought to move. i had the drink menu so they both leaned in to look at it. A was pretty darn close. i started talking with my hands a lot to spread the mix - i was determined to get it to her one way or another.
  • drinks come and we’re all chatting when i notice A is just kinda staring at me. i turn to her and she kinda raises her arms (as if she wanted a hug) then quickly drops them and says “well… can i get a hello?” without hesitating, i face her and give her a big hug, making sure to raise my head slightly so she could get some of the mix on my neck, and say “hello!” out loud. as i hug her, i whisper “it’s good to see you again” in her ear, out of G’s earshot. when we both pulled back, she had the biggest smile on her face. her hand also stayed on my side just a little too long…
  • …so long, in fact, that i excused myself to the restroom knowing full well they would do a two-step shuffle and switch seats to be next to each other. all the better - she brought G and it’s only fair that they hang out without my interference. i had made my move and the ball was in A’s court now.
  • with the presence of another girl, and alcohol, jfg gets a little more flirty with me. i chose to stand when i got back from the restroom so i could maneuver between jfg and A. as i talked to jfg, i would keep my hand on her lower back. she didn’t mind at all. also, her playful slaps weren’t aimed at my arm like usual but rather at my thigh.
  • i started kino with A slowly by leaning towards her while i talked in her ear. next step was a light touch-and-go on her lower back while talking, and after no negative reaction to any of that, i ended up just keeping my hand on her lower back (same as jfg) while i talked to her. a bit of a good reaction to this - she would also lean back into me to hear me. i’m getting better at this kino stuff.
  • when jfg and A took restroom breaks together, i would casually bond with G. more status points in A’s eyes. in getting to know him he’s not a bad guy, just rather cocky and forward with hitting on girls. to each his own, and A hadn’t left him yet, so he must’ve been doing ok.
  • had a side discussion with A about me and jfg. she thought that we were an item. i said no, we started out as friends and that’s all we are. this was more of a confirmation for A to proceed with flirting. right about at this time was when she kinda gave up on G too.
  • a bar table opened up so we headed over to grab it. jfg was busy texting one of the guys she’s interested in so she was pretty much out of the conversation. G grabs the stool nearest the wall, A next to him, me kinda at the corner of the table, jfg at the other corner. i swiveled my bar stool to face A and i rested my feet on her stool’s footrest. quickly our legs found each other, and they stayed there a good while. at one point A’s legs were crossed and i had my foot in the little space between her legs (hard to explain) and our legs touched like that. very sexual.

last stop of the night was “home.” jfg and A live in apartment complexes about 5 minutes away, walking. it was assumed that i would drop jfg off and G would take A and try his chances. on the way home, jfg gets a call from a friend who had just moved into the same complex as her, but a different building. he was doing a little welcome party and invited her. i said i could drop her off there and hang out for a bit. she called A and soon we were all headed there.

at the party, there’s a bunch of people jfg hadn’t seen in a long time. she gets riled up to see everyone and of course, everyone wants to drink with her like old times so she gets pretty drunk pretty fast. in the span of no more than 20 minutes, she went from being slightly tipsy to stumbling all over. i got to know her friend who was hosting the party and he reassured me that he and all of jfg’s friends that were there would take care of her if she needed to crash. to no surprise, she passed out and i made sure she was comfy on a spare bed. then i turned my attention to A.

the hits resume.

  • while i’m taking care of jfg, A tells me that she is going home with G. (at least that’s what i heard, and you’ll see in a second that’s not what she said) she tells me to put her number in my phone so that in case she forgets the apartment number or building, she can call me and i’ll direct her back to the party. i thought, “ok, but you’re just going home with G - why do you need to come back?” i put her number in my phone without saying anything. i consider this a relative hit because a number was given/offered to me.
  • jfg is mumbling in her drunken sleep and i’m just standing around making sure she’s ok when i get a call from A, not even a minute after she left. i pick up and she asks “hey, is it apt # 121 or 122?” in this particular building, odd numbers were on one side and evens on the other. i tell her to hang on as i go outside and try to find her. we both find each other and walk back to the party. G wasn’t with her so i joke and say “wow, that was quick.” (as in she and him already got it on and now she’s coming back in under two minutes) she laughs, playfully slaps me, and tells me that she just walked G to his car - originally, before she left, she had actually said that she was “making” G go home (not “taking” him home as i had thought she said). phone number obtained and clear sailing for the rest of the night, so it was game on.
  • A sits by jfg and smooths her clothes and collects her purse and phone while she sleeps. she kept saying to me “oh my goodness, i’ve never seen her like this, is she going to be ok?, is she ok sleeping here? etc” i give her reassuring answers and out of nowhere, like a force that came over me, i just place my hand on her shoulder and gently squeeze/massage as i stand behind her. she responds very positively by resting her body against my leg/thigh, and i’m just there massaging away like an idiot.
  • the rest of the party found out that i can make some good drinks so they asked me to come over and teach them some drinks. as i’m “tending bar” and A is sitting with jfg, we flirt through text for a while. every time i looked at her, she had a naughty grin on her face.

A and i were a little too sober for the party so after a while we decided to leave. my car was parked right in front and it would’ve been an ultra short drive but since the ball was in my court now, i said “hey, it’s a nice night - how about i walk you back to your place?” A said sure; i think she was already expecting to walk with me.

the hits keep on keeping on…

  • lots of non-accidental bumping and touching on the walk back

  • good bonding too

  • got invited to go up and check out her place

  • interesting because this is farther than G got.

  • talked until the wee hours of the morning about everything. she really wanted me to stay over (“it’s so late, are you sure you want to drive back now?”) but i didn’t push it. i figured things would come along in due time.

  • she walked me out of her complex to the parking lot. i slowed a little behind her as she was describing how to get back on the main road. as soon as she stopped in front of my car and turned around to face me, i already had my arms outstretched and gave her a tight hug by putting my arms around her shoulders (as opposed to on her waist) in more of a “protective” or “caring” gesture vs. slightly sexual with hands on the waist. she was pleasantly taken by surprise and wrapped her arms around my waist. she was a bit flustered as we said our goodbyes.

editor’s note: i had this report ready to post on friday 10.1 around 8p. right around that time, A texts me and asks me what i’m doing for the night. i had nothing planned and turns out she had nothing planned either. we text for a bit in a roundabout manner until it was pretty obvious that we should hang out. we made plans for later that night.

not even 24 hours after dropping a smooth mix on her, i had a chance to try a mix solo with her. since we made plans late, everywhere was either closing or already doing last call. i planned to walk around a strip of bars and people watch, or drive around the city and chat in the car. both of those situations meant close constant contact with a mix. i had to plan carefully.

the mix for friday night
1s sm split hands
1s p96 25mcg neck
1s ih split forearms
1d a314 r24 p90e neck
creed aventus cover

same mix as thursday night but a lower dose of p96 and addition of ih to help my cause.

the big differences here are twofold: one, we’re alone. she doesn’t have to worry about G, i don’t have to “feel bad” for hitting on jfg’s friend in front of her. two, there’s less alcohol. it’s easy to get plastered and go about it that way, but i think then you lose some of the major elements of pheros. this was a good chance to test a formidable mix in an honest situation.

contrary to the report above, this one will read like a story since it’s fresher in mind and i want to get all the details out.

my A+ night with A

waited for her in the front lawn of her complex and we walked to my car together. after a few steps she said “wow, you smell really good.” she carries herself well and i feel the classy creed scent is a big boost for the pheros. i play off the compliment and we drive away.

first planned stop was a small bar that i know of which has cozy lounge seating. i figured we could grab a drink and sit around, get to know each other. i drive by and it’s closed for the night. luckily, it’s attached to a strip of bigger bars that’s attached to a small shopping center of boutique stores. we head over there to go walk around.

as we walk, window shop, and people watch, i notice all the classic signs of ioi. hair flips, lowered eyes, body language, and the ever-popular bumping into me. i take this one step further by telling her that every time she bumped into me, i would grab her nose - blatant attempt to get sm in front of her, and it worked.

editor’s note: as i was spreading the mix, i also caught some scents. snoopy’s mix, even though it comes in neroli, has a green mossy scent. this is the same scent i smell in mx315, which was a free gift from i think the raw power test pack. assuming it’s not a dud (it didn’t work much for me) i think i discern androstenone as green and mossy.

next thing i notice is that the conversation gets very sexual. this is surprising because as you’ll find out in a later paragraph, apparently A is not very sexual at all. regardless, and not knowing this yet, we talked about sexual positions, fantasies, attraction factors, etc. it might’ve been the androstenone or flirting or both that led to such a sexually-charged conversation.

people were coming out of the bars and we wanted to beat traffic so we took off. from that group of bars, it’s a 10 minute drive to my house. i turned it into 25 by taking the long way. during this time, we had a deep conversation about getting to know each other (with sexual stuff mixed in). this is the conversation i anticipated us having at the bar with lounge seats. i think it worked out better in the car because the music volume could be controlled and we were cozy sitting next to each other, the hum of the engine and bright night stars being our background entertainment.

in this conversation, i learned that A is not actually a highly sexual girl. i believe her, but i still need to confirm this with her friends. according to her, she’s had one sexual partner. they were each other’s first and apparently it was really bad, and she never really had the urge to try it again. on top of that, she believes that people should really get to know each other before having sex; specifically, not until at least the 2nd month of dating, she said. before leaving for the night i had packed protection in my jacket pocket because it was uncertain where i would end up. after hearing this, i knew i could return it to my drawer.

shocker, right? here’s this girl holding a conversation with me about all sorts of sexual things and yet she’s not done any of it. she says she learns through stories with girlfriends, talking to guy friends, and reading whatever cosmo publishes. she’s also run the bases (kissing, touching, oral sex) but has never hit the proverbial “home run.” i respect that. i also had to change my game plan for the night. usually when two people make plans late at night, it’s for one main reason. tonight was going to be different. i had to really call on p96 to work the comfort angle, not necessarily because i was hoping to get lucky, but because i wanted to establish a good baseline relationship.

i pour a light drink for us when we got back, and throughout the night we just had one more. again as i anticipated, the night was light on alcohol. she’s seen my kitchen and living room; tonight she wanted a tour of the rest of the place. i read between the lines and figured she wanted to see where she was sleeping tonight (my room) and sure enough, that’s what she wanted. she paid no attention to me showing off my roommate’s room. as soon as i turned on the lights to my room, she walked in and started looking around.

i was a little unsure about how to proceed at this point. if she wasn’t sexually reserved, i might’ve joked with something like “and this is where you can crash tonight, with me.” that might’ve been ok with her but i didn’t want to be too forward and seem like a horndog. all through the night i had second guesses about everything - kino, kiss her or not, cuddle or not - and i always played it safe; i think while it wasn’t all that much fun, it did build bridges to future meetings.

typical chatting over drinks. the first time we sat down, i sat in the middle of the couch and she leaned up against the armrest. after getting up and making drinks again, she sat in her old spot and i sat close to her with our arms and legs slightly touching. she sat up straight this time and near the end of her drink, leaned slightly in towards me. then came the big fork in the road. our eyes got droopy, conversation slowed, and it was time for bed.

i first said that she should get to bed and she replied that i probably wasn’t good to drive. i wasn’t, but i think she needed confirmation that she was staying over instead of just assuming. i said i wasn’t planning on driving and that she could crash at my place. fork #1 maneuvered. second fork was where: couch or my bed? she originally didn’t really want to move from the couch so i went to grab a pillow and blanket (again, playing it safe). as i returned, she was standing and asking if i had an extra blanket. i think she was hoping i didn’t, and that the only choice was to share a bed and blanket. i brought it out and she got cozy, and then came the third fork: actually let her sleep out on the couch when there’s a perfectly good bed and bed partner waiting, or try to convince her to share a bed with me without seeming creepy? this is where i took my biggest chance and didn’t play it safe. i could’ve easily just said “ok, good night” and walked away, but i stayed and hung around to talk more. i don’t think i could’ve lived it down if a pretty girl came over willingly to hang out with me and she ended up on the couch while i ended up alone in bed.

she was also in no mood to be on the couch. she kept alluding to how comfortable my bed looks, how it might get cold alone outside in the living room, etc. long story short, i said “well, just come join me” a few times and eventually she agreed. i change, she changes, and we hop into bed.

from here until the morning, it was basically a g-rated movie. a little bit of tickling and playful slaps, a few attempts at rolling each other off the bed. let’s break it down:

  • cuddling: a few times while we were wrestling, my arm was under her head and her butt and backside were tucked up into me. we could’ve easily laid to rest in this position. unlike the paragraph above where i took my biggest chance, this is where i played it the most safe. each time, i “wrestled” myself out of that position and we just rolled over separately. i slightly wonder what would’ve happened if i didn’t do this (kissing, touching, basically everything below and after that) but i hope she can respect me for starting slow. again, i only have her word that she’s not a sexual person, and i’m going solely off that.
  • kissing: because there was no cuddling, it was hard to get a kiss in. suddenly springing in for a kiss as i’ve done with some other girls would’ve just been awkward. she did ask for mouthwash and again i wonder what would’ve happened, but it’s water under the bridge now.
  • sexual touching: she did not make any attempts to touch me sexually so largely i returned that respect. a few times during tickle fights, i would tickle her kneecap and then run my fingers slowly up her inner thigh. she didn’t mind, as in she didn’t brush my hand away, but she was ticklish and it didn’t elicit a sexual response. this was a big moot point; as awkward as it would’ve been to kiss without cuddling, it would’ve been more awkward to touch sexually with kissing or cuddling.

as we slept, our bodies touched occasionally. it was a bit more than just needing a place to sleep, but still a very slow start. in the morning she showered and i took her home. (snoopy: it went well, and it went only ok; it’s all relative :stuck_out_tongue:)

since everything was closed last night, we kinda made plans to hang out again earlier tonight. this could easily turn into a three-night report; i figured i should get the first two nights up before i forget. if we do hang out and it becomes obvious that we are staying together again, i will step it up a little bit. i at least want to cuddle; we’ve bumped into and touched each other enough to basically already be cuddling. kissing would be nice too, maybe a few soft kisses on her neck while cuddling to start. i like kissing. the hardest part and the thing i’m least worried about is the sexual touching. if it gets there i’ll deal with it then, but for now she’s running the pace on that one.

conclusion

  • sm is sexual. every test i run comes to this conclusion.
  • snoopy, and others wondering about adding p96 to this: <= 25mcg will do the trick. i don’t notice much difference between 1s at 25mcg and 1.5s at 37.5mcg, and if it’s too strong of a half spray it’s pretty much like getting another full spray anyway, so it’s more efficient to round down to 1s / 25mcg. that’s my personal sweet spot for my circumstances; a lower dosage would be a good baseline and from there you can add as necessary.
  • i think sm gets better the more you know a girl. it’s rather forward and may be a bit strong for a first or second date. when it comes time for sex and you need something to push her over the edge, sm plus a softener like p96 will be the magic trick. as you progress into more sex, a blast of sm by itself seems to amp up the vibe even more.
  • testing p96 is bittersweet. it works so well that i hate to use it on everyday tests. i’ve heard of the “big four” putatives - p74, p79, p83, p86 - and i think if there’s not already a “big five,” then p96 should be the fifth member of that group. if you wore all five at once, girls would probably combust upon your touch.

hopefully i have more to report at some point down the line. this seems like it could be an interesting endeavor.

Great report! You are slowly breaking down her barriers until sex. This might seem a bit strange to say but every girl has a time period that you need to spend with her before sex. For some girls it’s 5 minutes or as Mystery the PUA mentioned the average is like 8-10 hours, which could be spread over a few separate dates. Other girls it could be weeks or months. It sounds like you are heading in the right direction with her and eventually you will be fucking her. Patience is a virtue. Build up the tension. Eventually she will respect you for having self control - as long as - YOU KEEP dong NON-friend like things like sleeping in the same bed, kino etc… eventually she will cave…eventually she’ll be riding your dick like there is no tomorrow. Just have patience, and continue escalation. Continue the seduction.

Seems like this mix is performing like I’d hoped it would. I can’t wait to get the ingredients to try this with P96 added in to the composite. I wanted something pretty forward because the woman I was with at the time could handle that. Seems to be working (along with Jayarea’s smooth charms :smiley:) even on a girl that might be more shy when it comes to intimacy.

Thanks again for testing this one out!

Its great to see quality reports coming back into the forum.

Looking forward to more

my intel reports came in today. getting to know A is going to be quite the trip.

as mentioned previously, she never really had a sexual awakening and thus wouldn’t venture far with guys. then she realized that she’s young and can have fun right now so she just takes a nibble here and there from the buffet of guys around her. not necessarily a slut by definition of the word, but it’s like that old hip hop song: “i’m not a player; i just crush a lot.”

i’ll have to really change my game plan with her. i think for now i will take a backseat and see what she’s up to. this will be a fun challenge for me too; i don’t usually talk to “player” girls.

as such, sm will remain the base of my mixes with her, just as a gentle prod each time we meet. my focus will mainly be on socials to try to get her to open up (so i can see what she’s about) and comfort (to keep the ride smooth).

glad to see you back on this part of the forum and as always your reports are top notch.

my current gf was actually the ‘player girl’ prior to getting together with me. and with use of a314, p75, a few of my own mix ideas and my own personal ‘working’ of these products as well as being me… and she’s now head over heels in love with me.

lucky for me.. she has had her sexual awakening and the sex is an absolutely amazing bonus.

good luck on this venture my friend. i am excited to see how it goes for you.

thanks for all the kind words everyone.

first, a call to readers
i’ll keep this short and sweet: A is unlike any other girl i’ve talked to. she’s promiscuous and plays the “not sexually active” card (which is also the truth) to jump between guys. with permission and guidance from jfg, i will keep talking to her; my only requirement is to keep her updated on what’s going on between us. i will also keep you guys updated and hopefully, any experienced readers will let me know when to fold 'em or how to prevent possible mistakes. if you do participate, consider this a thanks in advance if i’m not able to get to all feedback.

now, the good stuff…

third consecutive night together, second consecutive night sleeping together

we had planned on friday night to get together saturday night (last night) to make up for going out so late and seeing that everything was closed. well, our plans didn’t finalize on saturday night until late (but earlier than friday night) so i figured it was going to be a quick visit to the bars and then back to my place for the majority of the action.

mix for saturday night
1s sm split hands
1s p96 25mcg neck
2s cttm neck

what changed? well, in my rush to get out the door, i forgot a314. :o also, i subbed cttm for ih.

i pick her up and immediately she says that’s she’s ready to drink. she had a long day of getting work done and what not. i took this as “i want to get drunk and see what happens between us.” as crude as that sounds, it turns out i was correct.

first stop was the same first stop as friday night, the strip of bars. we got there in time for everything to be open, but we also got there in time for really long lines. we picked the shortest line to wait in. while walking to the line and around the strip of bars, she bumped into me multiple times. as there were lots of people out, at one point i held her by her lower back and pulled her close. she had one hand clutching her purse and the other wrapped in front of her (it was a bit chilly) so all she could do was lean into me as we walked - not terribly good body language, but close enough. at one point while waiting in line, she wrapped her arms around herself and did the “shivering” thing. at first i was going to offer her my jacket and then i thought :roll_eyes: well duh, so i wrapped my arms around her shoulders and asked if that was warmer. she said yes and we stood like that for a while.

the bar was boring and hot, the drink was weak, but luckily we found a cool and quiet area to chat while we basically drank water. two things i noticed during this time: first was somewhat random chatter. i think cttm was at work. it wasn’t as sexually charged as it usually is, just more random. second thing i noticed was that at times, i didn’t look her in the eyes. missing that a314 was a poor oversight on my part. especially when talking to someone like A, i feel it helps me stay composed and focused. i still don’t know what p90 does but i like using the p90e over the sbe.

after our drink we decided to go. the lines were still packed so we checked out the attached strip mall and did some more window shopping. eventually we were both sober, kinda cold, and bored, so the mutual attitude was “let’s go home and drink a lot.” i joked that i was going to drink more than her and she said “well, if you do, then you won’t be able to drive me back” - again, her way of seeking confirmation about sleeping over.

the drive is no more than 10 minutes; i like to take a few long routes and stretch it out to 20 minutes. the conversation at this point was more ih-focused in that we were talking about desires, goals, dreams, future stuff. surprisingly, still nothing terribly sexual. i figured either the mix was busted or we somehow got past the “talk about sexual stuff” phase.

when we got home, she went to freshen up and i chose to do the same. i scrubbed hard at my hands to get the residual sm off. on the drive home, i thought about it and realized that sm on my hands, and then keeping my hands in my pockets due to it being cold, and other rubbing of my hands, probably was not beneficial to anything. i wanted to start with a clean slate, moreso because i was on home turf now.

mix update
residual p96 25mcg
residual 2s cttm
NEW: 1s sm split forearms
NEW: 1s ishine split forearms

i had taken off my jacket and kept my short sleeved shirt on. forearms was a wise choice because it’s less prone to rubbing. also, it’s common among my friends to always “cheers” before drinking anything. A requested shots as our drink of the night so i anticipated lots of “cheers”-ing, thus lots of forearms near her face. i also threw on a shot of ishine just for scent cover. cologne or akuto/game would’ve been too obvious.

i rejoined her in the kitchen to begin our drinking. i won’t bore you with details about it but the main thing we did while drinking was ask each other questions, no holds barred. this was like the power of ih exponentially increased. with every drink, our questions became deeper and our answers became more storied. i felt like i learned a lot about her during this time, and i gave her some info about me as well.

the spark to start off the next round of hits came from a phone call she got. one of her guy friends met one of her girl friends, they found it surprising their common friend was A, and they drunk dialed her. A was in a happy drunk state and her conversation (broadcast on speaker phone for my listening pleasure) was spiced with laughter and giggly moments. it didn’t help that i kept lightly brushing her side and thigh - most of it was to keep her laughing and feeling good, some of it was to set the mood for later.

she ends the call and we decide to go to bed.

hit #1: the first night she stayed over, i gave her a pair of my gym shorts and a shirt to wear so she didn’t have to sleep in her jeans and top. last night, on the way to my room she mentioned something about forgetting her sleep shorts, “that didn’t have as much material as gym shorts.” i took the hint and offered her a pair of my boxers.

editor’s note: apparently, girls wearing guys’ boxers is very common. sarah did it, but i thought it was just her. now A does it. i asked some of my other girl friends and they all said gym shorts are nice if [a girl] randomly decides to crash with you, but if sleeping together is somewhat relatively planned, boxer briefs are a better choice because they’re not as thick as gym shorts, and if intimacy is planned, they cover less and are more playful. you learn something new every day.

hit #1 continued: she takes my boxers and changes in the bathroom. i have a dimmer switch on my light and the light was turned down to not be so bright to our tipsy eyes. i passed by her briefly as she exited, then i went to grab water for the morning. when i came back, she was already under the covers. the hit here, which i realized later, is that she turned down the shirt i offered (same one she wore the first night) in favor of keeping her going-out top on. it was a medium cut top, nothing too sexual, but lighter than a shirt and as you’ll read later, much easier to take off. i was too busy thinking about the boxer hit that i forgot about her top, until it came in handy later on.

hit #2: touching and cuddling, initiated by her. the touching wasn’t sexual at all - it was just on my chest - but to have it be initiated by her is quite the accomplishment. also, as soon as i got into bed, she curled up next to me and also draped her leg over mine when she faced me. both big steps forward.

we roll around a little bit and spend some time cuddling and pushing each other around. one important hit on my end is that when we cuddled in preparation for sleep, i put one arm under her head and my other hand on her side, whereas it used to just rest freely by me. she didn’t mind. again, big steps forward.

hit #3: i had a whiskey and coke at the first bar earlier in the night and i’m pretty sensitive to caffeine so i was feeling relatively awake and happy, and she was feeling slightly tired and happy. thus, she rested and i turned my fidgeting into a light massage on the same side of her back as my free hand, pillow talking the whole time. for reference, i was propped up on my left side and she was tucked into me also on her left side. gradually she rolled over onto her back but kept her head facing away, thus exposing her neck. i could hear her breathing slow so the first time my lips touched anywhere on her body was me kissing her forehead/hair to send her off into sleep. she purred a little bit and dozed off.

since she was on her back, i rested my hand on the side of her stomach furthest from me (underneath her top, so touching bare skin), essentially pulling her in. a few times, i traced the top elastic band of her boxer shorts and up to her diaphragm area. i felt a hint of her bra but didn’t go any further.

she woke from her slumber and kept her head facing away from me as she spoke softly. i leaned in close to her head to hear what she was saying and i also leaned in to whisper in her ear as i didn’t want to talk too loud and ruin the soft moment. by extension, with her neck exposed and me leaning in so close, i was practically kissing her, so i removed all doubt and started kissing her neck. she responded very well to this by snuggling in very tight and using her leg to caress mine. my hand that was tracing her shorts went into more of a holding position when i rested it on her thigh. she ran her hands all over my arms.

by luck i found her earlobe (hey, in my defense, it’s been a while since i went looking for one) and started kissing and nibbling it. this shot her into overdrive as she kept grinding back into me and squeezing my arms. i shifted my kisses a few inches right to her cheek, and she responded by turning her head slightly in my direction. i shift again to just to the side of her mouth and she turns her head again in my direction, practically facing me now.

this leads to…

hit #4: a full kiss on the lips. the first one was a complete shot in the dark. i thought to myself “well, she’s turning her head in my direction. i’ll just do it. if she likes it, we’ll continue. if she doesn’t, i’m sure she’ll turn her head the other way and i’ll go back to kissing her neck or something.” she liked it. the second kiss was a real one and was met with an open mouth. the third and beyond were met with tongue.

we go at this for a while. if i remember correctly, she was literally bucking her hips up and down while my hand was near the top of her shorts, but i wasn’t going to push it. i needed one last bit of confirmation on her part to proceed, any bit of confirmation, and it never came at any point in the night, so i didn’t touch her sexually (open to interpretation). at least i knew my kissing was making her feel good.

after we stopped kissing we both kinda fell asleep. when she was on her side, my hand was on her side. when she was on her back, it rested on her stomach. when she was on her stomach, it rested on her butt; that’s why i said above that me not touching her sexually was open to interpretation. i was waiting for the confirmation to proceed that never came, and in the meantime, i just couldn’t resist going with the flow. resting my hand on her butt, giving it a light squeeze each time she wiggled into me or brushed my leg, it just felt right. she didn’t mind.

in some cases, when a person drinks and then lies horizontally too quickly, the alcohol effect is increased. this what happened to A and i’m fairly certain it was the only reason we stopped kissing. she drifted off into sleep, yes, but it wasn’t as peaceful as before. eventually she awoke and said she needed some fresh air. i offered to open my window and she said “no, let’s go outside.” it was late at night and chilly and i thought she was crazy, but she said a quick walk around would help her feel better. i gathered up some jackets and shoes and off we went.

hit #5: our planned walk was just around my neighborhood. as we left my house, she tucked her arm into mine and we walked like that for a while. there’s a part of the sidewalk in front of my house where it curves to match the curve of the grass, i guess to make it look cool. she didn’t see this curve and accidentally stepped into the wet grass. immediately she stepped back into me and said she got scared by that. being the altruistic guy that i am, i unlinked our arms and motioned for her hand. she thought i wanted to fix her jacket sleeve or something so she held up her hand. i grabbed it and lowered it down to our sides while lacing our fingers together. this time, she took the hint and clasped my hand. it was awkward, but it worked. we finished our walk hand in hand and softly talking. one thing i noticed was that we did a very “couple”-y thing where when i would make fun of her, she would walk a few steps away from me (while still holding hands) and then i would pull her back in and give her a hug. it was a total change in our behavior; we went from flirting to like we had been dating for a while.

we head back to bed and resume talking. the fresh air and walk woke her up a bit and now she was more talkative. i was still just as fidgety as before and continued massaging her. one thing leads to another and she begins to ask for a full, real massage. my response to her was always “let’s get rid of this shirt [you’re wearing].” i wanted her to take it off herself but she said she was too comfortable to sit up and take it off. i also threw in some comments about how if she could get her top off, i would get her bra off and it would be a much nicer massage than me massaging over a shirt and bra. we compromised by her saying i should help her take it off. as she laid on her back and extended her arms, i peeled the shirt off her. it came off easily - perhaps her keeping it on when getting into bed was foreshadowing?

hit #6: she rolls over and i unhook her bra. i caught her completely off guard when i reached into my nightstand and pulled out some massage oil. then i let my hands do the talking and she blasted off into cloud nine with moans, purrs, and all over relaxation. i’m not “skilled” at massages; rather, i mimicked what massage therapists do to me during sports massages. it seemed to work out well. i spent a good 20 minutes on her, if for nothing else, a blatant excuse to touch her naked soft skin. i ended with a kiss on the back of her neck.

she asked me to rehook her bra. i joked and said my knowledge of bras only works one way, and that as i went to wash my hands, she could deal with it herself. i was secretly hoping she would think “it’s already unhooked and partially off, i’ll just take it off.” not the case. :frowning: when i came back to bed it was snugly on. good news is that her top remained off. this allowed for much skin on skin contact throughout the night.

hit #7: we go back to me whispering in her ear and again she turns her head to face me. i’m not kissing this time, i just kinda nuzzle her cheek and neck. i shift so that i end up nuzzling her nose and we’re basically talking into each others’ mouths. after a few seconds of this, i planted another kiss on her. we kissed briefly and then she turned her face away. i’m not entirely sure why she did this. at the time, i thought she was playing hard to get. looking back, maybe she was tired or kissing made her woozy.

it was pretty much sleep from here until the morning. hands rested in various places and positions. at one point i gently smacked her butt and she said “who’s knocking on my door?” i didn’t know how to take this. we fell asleep cuddling but woke up separated as we shifted throughout the night to find our own comfortable positions.

hit #8: in the morning, as she fixed her hair in front of the mirror, i stood behind her and massaged her shoulders. then she fumbled with the cap to the mouthwash and looked at me in the mirror to ask me to open it for her. instead of stepping to the side and grabbing it, i stayed behind her and grabbed it that way with my hands at her waist level. i took a exaggerated effort to open it (poking fun at her) and while she laughed, she leaned back into me and grabbed my wrists.

quick breakfast at my place and a somewhat silent drive back to her place. it was our third night out and that takes a toll, plus with the walking and the massaging we didn’t really get much sleep. she stayed in my boxer shorts because she was too tired to fiddle with her jeans, and she walked barefoot up to her apartment while holding her heels. we had the usual kinda-awkward parting of “well that was fun, let’s do it again sometime”, no hug or kiss.

conclusion

that was a night of big steps. holding hands, kissing, touching her naked back, slight gropes. things definitely got much better after i reapplied sm, not just because of the alcohol but because i know the mix is there and accessible rather than being rubbed off on my pants.

i think this also signifies a break in p96 testing (for now) as she seems comfortable enough to allow touching and kissing. since we’ve gotten to the point where we sleep together, i want to try other options on my neck: p74, 79, 83, or even sm or another sexual.

also, this is a good vouch for p96 being able to escalate things quickly. A has only been exposed to it 3 times, and look how far we are. i’m not sure if a sexual / sm alone would’ve moved this quickly or efficiently. likewise, i’m not sure that p96 by itself makes for attraction. as mentioned in my p96 thread, in my tests i feel that p96 allows for comfort. that factor works in tandem with the sexual angle provided by sm resulting in A feeling comfortable with how much sex is put forth by sm. it’s hard to tell with her since she is not sexually minded yet but i think with someone who is sexually aware, this combo would lead to a rapid escalation of sex - with a similar combo with my ex, it took < 5 dates / exposures for sex.

Sounds like you have been doing the right things (I can’t wait to get this mix made and try it out- have a target of my own in mind). :slight_smile:

I’ll be sending the components I have for you tomorrow.

=)

Upon reading this I really cannot stress how potent p96 really is.

I think this was the major turning factor in the dynamic with my gf and myself. We were already comfortable and had been involved/sleeping next to each other/having sex for awhile… but the p96 really seems to have taken everything to an insanely deeper level. It’s quickly stacking up to be my favorite putative hands down for this reason. It has great camaraderie effects amongst guys, amazing bonding and attraction effects with females, and an empathetic self effect that helps to dig into and explore those deeper connections with others.

You are definitely doing exactly what you should be doing for now… but I wouldn’t cut the p96 just yet. Maybe taking it down a notch to 10mcg is a good idea. This way, the sig doesn’t change too much and still adds comfort/bonding.

Awesome report and I’m stoked to be helping Snoopy get this one together again for more testing

i wrote the most recent report late at night and spent most of today thinking about it and all of the other reports.

the biggest thing that i’ve noticed is that i’m probably overshooting A with 5mcg of androstenone. i’ll break it down here and you can see if you agree or disagree.

first, there’s a correlation between A and the only ex i’ve had since using pheros, sarah. both started with comfort leading into sex. however, with sarah i used ammo, which is 2.5mcg androstenone. (right? it’s been a while since i looked at numbers) only after the first few sexual encounters did i move up to tuth, which is equivalent to sm in 5mcg androstenone.

second, A is asian while sarah is caucasian. the ages are relatively similar but the androstenone reception is not quite the same. this is one of the main factors i think i’m overshooting.

lastly, and the biggest factor of why i think i’m overshooting, A has not had her sexual awakening yet. in other words, based on what i’ve seen so far, she doesn’t know what to do with androstenone. a sexually aware girl (not just sarah) that receives androstenone well would get turned on and, assuming i played my cards right, know that an explosive connection would happen later in the night. since A has never had this connection before, the association between androstenone and sex, or androstenone and anything, is not there.

here’s the positive side of things: we know that p96 works (i planned to cut it due to it being rare, but it’s in the store so i think i will continue testing it). we know that at some high, abstract level, androstenone at 5mcg elicits some sexual response in A based on her words. however, this response is not deep enough to consider sm efficiently used. it’s always a bit unsettling to know you’re not getting the most out of precious pheros, especially a winning mix like sm.

i will continue testing sm and p96 but for A specifically, i think i will adjust my approach slightly by starting with a lower dose of androstenone. i’m hoping this will be a cyclic chain reaction: continued comfort from p96 and other comfort pheros will allow her to receive my sig better, and a lower dose of androstenone will allow my sig to be received more easily.

also, i think this is the first time i’m mentioning this: i don’t believe A is as sexually inexperienced as she claims to be. her words, her actions, her flirting… it’s all a little too “real” to be innocent. again, i’m taking her word that she’s not really into sex, but deep down inside i think there’s a part of her we have not seen yet. if there’s a sexual monster lurking inside her, i just want to give it a little tap on the shoulder.

some -none, tac, taf combo?

I’ve read about the properties here and I’m guessing it the -none and tac effects with a little taf could help with that tap on the shoulder. I know MX301 has tac as a buffer to -none and I know MX301 works well on shyer girls.

From my experience some P83 would be good with some well buffered -none

I test 50mcg P96 with 4 drops Alpha7 and without p96 this is a high none bomb, but with P96 that’s no problem… I think p96 is the best none buffer…

With only 5mcg none and P96 you see no, zero, none effects…