TAF 5mcg

[josef]

Today was my first time testing the TAF 5mcg. I have absolutely no idea what to expect as far as reactions go, and I have no guideline for dosage
so I did what any other risk seeking person would do in my shoes and tried to find my OD limit right off the bat.

My testing ground was the local “hippy store”, reason being I don’t know anyone there on a personal basis, the store is pretty busy so you are almost always going to have to be in another persons personal space as you walk down the aisles, there is a pretty diverse employee demographic, young girls and older women, older guys, blacks whites and asians, you name it they’ve got it, and finally, most people in a health food store are health conscious (if not always personal scent conscious).

I started this experiment by spraying 1 full spray to each wrist and simply allowing the spray to absorb, no rubbing, sharing etc.

1 spray to the lower front of my neck/upper chest

1 spray to the back of my neck , and

1 spray to each side of my head

making a total of 5 sprays of 5mcg, however, the sprays to my head hair were probably not full sprays only because i didn’t want to send the spray out into the ether if i missed my head

keep in mind that it is very cold around these parts right about now so while i had to dress warmly, i wore the absolute minimum i could to go out without losing limbs to exposure, so i had on a loose fitting pullover and just a short sleeve shirt underneath. no hat no gloves.

I waited 30 minutes or so before leaving my house and making the 5 minute walk up to the store. Once there I spent quite a long time looking for things, asking employees where to find different products (some that i knew from previous experience they didn’t even carry, just to prolong interaction while they looked and then verified) and just generally observing for any reactions at all, revulsion, attraction, breathing,eye contact, physical contact etc.

unfortunately, i don’t have anything to report. if i couldn’t get any women my age to react positively, i at least hoped to have one of the kids (or adults) in the store blurt out something like “wow, he stinks” or something to that effect. from my perspective, a negative comment such as that will not affect me either emotionally or psychologically since i know more about the circumstances than they do and ultimately a negative comment under those circumstances helps me to adjust the amount i use to help provoke better reactions, if possible, in the future.

next time i try this one i will go to some other spot where nobody knows me, i can be comfortable in a short sleeve shirt, and i will probably up the dose to 7 sprays. i don’t mind getting OD responses in a place where i am a stranger.

[MHarris]

Thanks for the feedback.

Note the effects on your own consciousness over a half hour to an hour period, especially upwards of 50mcg. This one is very interesting.

In all my experimentation, it completely baffles me why people think pheromones are for sex alone. Some have a sexual component, sure, but there are plenty that break that mold.

[josef]

@MHarris

Note the effects on your own consciousness over a half hour to an hour period, especially upwards of 50mcg. This one is very interesting.

the only assumption i made about this product was one of moderation, due to the comparatively small mcg/dose spray. based on a limited supply, it seems to me to be more appropriate for my testing purposes to find the OD right off the bat since i can then immediately make some assumption regarding its presence. if i started with one spray of 5mcg, then tried to recreate the same testing environment (my own personal state as well as environmental) with 2, 5mcg sprays, then repeat repeat repeat, i would be out of the stuff before i got to the 50mcg threshhold.

@MHarris

In all my experimentation, it completely baffles me why people think pheromones are for sex alone. Some have a sexual component, sure, but there are plenty that break that mold.

well, like i mentioned above, i had no preconceived notions, no assumptions about the intended effects, and now a day later, no regrets either. i enjoy that sense of mystery and pure observational bliss, almost as if i was watching the entire event through a camera in the ceiling kind of thing.

i specifically sought out both men and women to interact with. the store manager was a male, probably SE asian, mid thirties, and in the position of authority for the store so i sought him out first and asked about several different EO’s including aloeswood (which i knew for a fact they did not carry). i’m certainly not out for a sexual hit with a man so if i was expecting sexual hits i wouldn’t have wasted my time asking men questions it would have been spent cornering the ladies.

anyway, he was helpful, but not overly so, didn’t make any other recommendations for a product similar to aloeswood (“why don’t you try this one, or this one, or i’ve heard women comment about this one”, kind of thing). the store was busy, so he may have felt distracted, but if there were to be any “respect” or “leader” type hits i would expect more of a response there, but that is what different testing environments and people are there for.

also, the reason i sought him out first is that IF the women in the store saw him responding in a very positive, helpful, service-like manner to me, as his employees i believe that it would have eliminated a barrier or two and brought them right in line ready to do as asked, and in a similar helpful friendly manner.

i did spend a lot of time with a young lady in the store next, just asking obnoxious questions about “fillers” in the B complex vitamins i was looking at. then had her take me from brand to brand so we could find one with fewer fillers. after all that was said and done, i ended up going with the
liquid B-12 (which i knew i was going to get anyway, not the capsules),
but of course the whole time while she was helping look for the right product i was simply observing, trying to step into her space and see how she reacted, etc.

[MHarris]

Your use of social proof is just great, Josef! I’ve seen people talk about very rarely, and the ones who talk about it… I doubt use it. Very interesting strategies you have. I hope people here learn from them.

I also really appreciate your testing strategy. I love it when people assume as little as possible.

That said, I’ll try to be as vague as possible, but still give some useful suggestions.

Try getting into a “deep” conversation with TAF, or going on a walk with someone, and seeing what kinds of details you notice.

Also notice how “clear” (nor not) your perceptions are.

I’m wondering, when you were looking for b12 with less fillers, how clear the details were to both of you… and if your sense of time shifted (time passing faster or slower than your normal sense of “clock time”).

So far, so weird with TAF. I have a good deal of data on it, and some interesting personal experiences.

One tester (who had no idea what pheromones were) did get what seems to be almost traditional “hits” with it when mixed into a normal cologne, but otherwise, most people report nothing like what you’d find from a typical pheromone. It makes me question what mother nature has up her sleeve.

For all “practical” (meaning simple) purposes, I’ve found it best used alone for longer and sensory rich shared experiences (a long walk with a friend or lover)… or, in mixes, best used with an emotive driver. Something else to take the wheel and lead in terms of what is communicated (A314 for masculinity and leadership, -none for raw muscularity, -anol for giddiness, etc), with TAF modifying the experience of the event.

This isn’t what I’d recommend for most molecules, but: Maybe your next test could involve a pheromone you’re very familiar, used along WITH TAF. Then note the differences.

[josef]

@MHarris

I’m wondering, when you were looking for b12 with less fillers, how clear the details were to both of you… and if your sense of time shifted (time passing faster or slower than your normal sense of “clock time”.

unfortunately i didn’t have the “time” criteria on my list of things to look for, not because i was too busy with the others i had listed but because it hadn’t occured to me, and that being the case, if i were to comment on it now it would not have the same effect as an initial un-aided comment.

@MHarris

For all “practical” (meaning simple) purposes, I’ve found it best used alone for longer and sensory rich shared experiences (a long walk with a friend or lover)… or, in mixes, best used with an emotive driver. Something else to take the wheel and lead in terms of what is communicated (A314 for masculinity and leadership, -none for raw muscularity, -anol for giddiness, etc), with TAF modifying the experience of the event.

reading that i see the TV chef Emeril saying BAM! as he adds a spice to his dish.

[MHarris]

@josef

unfortunately i didn’t have the “time” criteria on my list of things to look for, not because i was too busy with the others i had listed but because it hadn’t occured to me, and that being the case, if i were to comment on it now it would not have the same effect as an initial un-aided comment.

Yeah, there are always subtle forms of perceptual time distortion. People usually have their sense of time set up to irk the crap out of themselves, unfortunately.

For instance, “time flies” when you’re having fun. The internal perception of time often speed up when we’re enjoying ourselves, making enjoyable experiences seem shorter than they really are.

On the other hand, waiting a line, at say, a bank, can seem to take forever. Each minute in clock time “seeming” like 5 or 10 minutes. Ouch!

I don’t know why we do that. Seems kinda dumb, huh? Why not slow down our perception of time when we’re enjoying thing and speed it up when we’re not? Makes sense, right?

Anyway, TAF definitely seems to fiddle with time pereception. For me, that is. It’s really an interesting pheromone to get your head around. I’m glad you’re doing lots of nearly blind testing.

I dislike leading, but if I didn’t give these subtle hints to look for pheromonal effects unlike anything you’d normally expect… well, it’d probably take you a long time indeed to know was going on with it.

Of course, just because I’ve noticed these things, doens’t mean you will. Just keep an open mind. You may notice far beyond what I have.

@josef

reading that i see the TV chef Emeril saying BAM! as he adds a spice to his dish.

Hehe. Shine and Turn Up the Heat are probably more of an Emeril style BAM!

If Salvador Dali or Renee Magritte were chefs, I’d say it’d be their kind of “BAM!”. To me, so far, anyway. Seems to mess around a bit with your perceptions directly, over a slow but sure curve.

Again, this is just me. I have some other feedback that agrees, but there’s at least one set of data that is much more tangible in nature.

[josef]

@MHarris

For instance, “time flies” when you’re having fun. The internal perception of time often speed up when we’re enjoying ourselves, making enjoyable experiences seem shorter than they really are.

On the other hand, waiting a line, at say, a bank, can seem to take forever. Each minute in clock time “seeming” like 5 or 10 minutes. Ouch!

I don’t know why we do that. Seems kinda dumb, huh? Why not slow down our perception of time when we’re enjoying thing and speed it up when we’re not? Makes sense, right?

maybe we have fun when time flies and things seem to take forever because our focus is distracted.

my understanding of hypnosis is that while there is nothing that can be done in a “hypnotized” state that can’t be done “un-hypnotized”,
the state of hypnosis is brought about by intense focus.

for example, watching an entertaining movie and when it is over realizing that two hours have gone by, or being on a date with an attractive woman and being so focused on her eyes or the way she smells that the date seems to be over in no time.

so, we are each in a state of hypnosis probably many times a day, and most likely anything that we consider to be fun or enjoyable is probably because we are focused in on that activity or person to the exclusion of all others making time pass without being noticed.

fun is a state of mind. and as such can be cultivated within each of us.
attitude is everything.

[PheroQuirk]

TAF 75mcg!

So figure I start with a heavy dose (3 sprays of high-concentration 25 mcg spray) so I know what to look out for. Initially I have just TAA+rone from an earlier application. Notice that music I’m listening to becomes trippier, better and there are more layers to it. My typing seems slightly better - quicker, more accurate.

Apply some Ammunition and Instant Openness and leave the house for a chat with my banker, who is a good friend of mine. Passing through the street downtown, I notice that my field of vision and hearing seems to have expanded. I am aware of much greater breadth yet it is not overwhelming. The opposite of tunnel vision.

Have my meeting - only really meant to be half an hour, but find it hard to tear myself away. Find it easy to hear other conversations around me without being distracted from the one I am having.

So perhaps I am just being suggestible, but to me this certainly seems to modulate one’s depth of perception in a novel way.

Further observation… although it makes the music more interesting, this is probably not the mone for beginner’s dance class.

[tacitus]

Now we’re getting someplace

75 mu, eh ? One thing I have noticed is that sometimes pheromones aren’t obviously doing much in terms of observable external behavior, then there will be a triggering event, and their effect will suddenly “show up” out of nowhere… I have been ambushed by my own stuff that way…

BTW, what do you think about the TAA, any special features to take note of ?

[PheroQuirk]

well Michael did say you start to see especially interesting effects for TAF above 50mcg… yes i agree - context can be everything.

don’t think I have much to add on TAA except that I am still learning how it interacts with the basic mones (only received a couple of weeks ago or something).

[josef]

pheroquirk, where did you manage to fit 75? lol. seriously though, was that all in one spot or…?

i ask because i have a 5mcg spray

[PheroQuirk]

i have an unusually large neck.

seriously though, many of the experimone products are available at varying strengths. you can pick which one when you order. I suppose that with some of them we may not know the appropriate strength to start playing with. for example there is one experimental mone that gives me a headache and i think i will need to dilute quite considerably before playing with it any longer.

I don’t know what was right for TAF. my reason for choosing 25mcg spray strength was with the benefit of having seen Michael’s comment. but we might decide after further experimentation that actually that is a horrible od and in mixes we are better off using the lower dose.

time will tell I suppose.

[josef]

i hear you, i got the 5 well before hearing about the 50 threshhold, not that i mind at all, in fact it helps make it a little easier to find my own tolerance level and gauge whether there are any positive/negative effects for me as an individual rather than effects in general.

i know you can buy these things in all different strengths, i’ve got both 50 and 30 per spray -nol’s, but when you mentioned 75 of TAF i was immediately thinking about my own bottle and the 13 sprays necessary to get you there

[PheroQuirk]

Yes - a wonderful image of somehow trying to apply 15 sprays without stinking of alcohol and neroli.

I suppose it would be interesting to see whether my experience with those effects is idiosyncratic. (I’ll wash everything off tomorrow and once I feel back to normal see if I can repeat the experience but starting from a lower dose). And presuming that others notice the same effect, how much of an impact does it have on people around you? (I guess they would need to be willing victims to be able to find out).

Suggestions for mixes?

It might also be interesting to repeat the experiments of a certain poster somewhere else who is fond of introducing beta-nol and/or dienol into semi- public spaces. What impact would TAF (alone or in a mix) have on a larger social gathering?

[josef]

i won’t edit my post to correct my math error, the only thing i’ve been good at counting these last couple hours are the pints of guinness i’ve been drinking to get ready for the game tonight

[PheroQuirk]

in my case i have found out the hard way, several times, that alcohol and late-night email posting don’t mix for me… let’s not even talk about when beta-nol was involved

[josef]

well i had my last pint at halftime, i’ve got to stay fresh for tomorrow nights big game

[Socrates]

@tacitus

BTW, what do you think about the TAA, any special features to take note of ?

Well I have been using TAA at 10 mcg/spray for a while now and have been very impressed with the results. It doesnt last long on my skin so I do a spray every hour and a half or so and have noticed I seem more extroverted (quicker with jokes, more verbal) and more confident. The product is GOLD just for that! I think it really is the best product for that I mean with Chikara and other -None products I feel confident too but it is partly because people back off from the -None. With this, noone backs off!

With regards to external ‘hits’ I seem to be the centre of attention a lot and am getting treated as more attractive than I actually am, particularly by a few older ladies (40+) at work (I am in my mid 20s). Not like they are hitting on me but there is a definite opinion of me as being ‘hot’ (I am probably only slightly above average looking) when I have recently applied TAA. Anyway being validated like that almost every day is giving me even more confidence. I notice no intimidation/tension from anyone nor any extra respect from TAA so I guess it definitely differs from -None and NPA/m in that way .

More info on TAA and Instant Shine, when I test that product, will be coming…
Visionary

[MHarris]

@PheroQuirk

So figure I start with a heavy dose (3 sprays of high-concentration 25 mcg spray) so I know what to look out for. Initially I have just TAA+rone from an earlier application. Notice that music I’m listening to becomes trippier, better and there are more layers to it. My typing seems slightly better - quicker, more accurate.

Apply some Ammunition and Instant Openness and leave the house for a chat with my banker, who is a good friend of mine. Passing through the street downtown, I notice that my field of vision and hearing seems to have expanded. I am aware of much greater breadth yet it is not overwhelming. The opposite of tunnel vision.

Have my meeting - only really meant to be half an hour, but find it hard to tear myself away. Find it easy to hear other conversations around me without being distracted from the one I am having.

So perhaps I am just being suggestible, but to me this certainly seems to modulate one’s depth of perception in a novel way.

Further observation… although it makes the music more interesting, this is probably not the mone for beginner’s dance class.

If you’re THAT suggestible, especially over the computer, then wow!

I didn’t even think to listen for an effect on music. I love music, but usually don’t test at home or use a walkman (or ipod). THAT is great evidence for a significant subjective effect.

To me, the awareness thing is very odd. As much as I hate leading, TAF is just too weird not to talk about a little… (also, I’m going to talk mostly about subjective effects on ME, whereas other people who’ve given me feedback have given me effects on others)

When I go on walks with 50mcg TAF, I notice myself picking up details I’ve never noticed before. I walked down the same street I’ve been on tens of times, maybe over a hundred. I notice little shops and details of shops I never noticed before.

At the same time, I did notice a sort of tunnel vision… it was sort of like “zooming in” mentally.

Maybe it’s functioning at a higher level entirely… being able to simultaneously take in more, yet use that same expanded awareness/attention on anything we decide to focus on.

I, too, find myself lingering with TAF. Everything is just so much more interesting.

I hate, really despite saying this, but it’s almost like getting sort of weird X-Men like ability.

Again, why nature has a pheromonal molecule like this, is beyond me.

In a practical sense, I think if you stick around someone else long enough for the TAF to affect them, too, then they could very well discover charming facets of you they’d never have discovered before.

Could be a good fall in love (or lust) mone for that aspect (“you are SO fascinating!”). Could also be useful for revitalizing relationships (“I never noticed this about you before… but, wow, it’s like I’m getting to know you for the first time… there’s so much more to discover about you”).

I think it stops premature closure from the reticular activiating system in the brain, and, thus makes you more childlike.

[PheroQuirk]

@MHarris

If you’re THAT suggestible, especially over the computer, then wow!

When I go on walks with 50mcg TAF, I notice myself picking up details I’ve never noticed before. I walked down the same street I’ve been on tens of times, maybe over a hundred. I notice little shops and details of shops I never noticed before.

Yes - I felt that. But to me it was because previously I was only aware of what I needed to see to get to where I am going. (I live in the centre of a busy city with lots of tourists, cars and noise) and my attention was narrow in focus (is that the same as what you call zooming in, I wonder?)

on TAF I was aware of much more in my potential field of vision all at the same time. wide angle wouldn’t really be appropriate though - objects in the middle of my focus didn’t become less clear. i’m very surprised it wasn’t an overwhelming sensation.

i wonder what the cognitive price might be? obviously there must be some kind of opportunity cost in the environment to which we are evolutionarily adapted otherwise we would be in that mode all the time. perhaps the time distortion might be part of it.

Maybe it’s functioning at a higher level entirely… being able to simultaneously take in more, yet use that same expanded awareness/attention on anything we decide to focus on.

Yes!

I, too, find myself lingering with TAF. Everything is just so much more interesting.

Well, I suppose there is our answer. We’d never get any work done if using this all the time

Again, why nature has a pheromonal molecule like this, is beyond me.

Curious to know what context this crops up in naturally, if you can say? I mean, if I didn’t know otherwise, I would just have thought of this as a rather unusual neurotropic pharmaceutical or supplement.

In a practical sense, I think if you stick around someone else long enough for the TAF to affect them, too, then they could very well discover charming facets of you they’d never have discovered before.

I’m taking it that you are not just imagining that possibility.

What would make it sure that they would discover only charming facets of you though? I mean ever had the feeling of a case of mistaken identity - that some people like you for completely the wrong reason (for some reason due to their first impression or social proof they hold a belief about you that is just plain wrong). Not that one wants to have friends on that basis, but one doesn’t necessarily want acquaintances to know everything either.

Have you had any experience of TAA + beta-nol? Beta-nol already seems to have strange impacts on peoples’ ability to arrive at some kind of insights.

TAF (I wrote TAA originally by mistake) + other disinhibitory substances generally might prove to be quite something. Mindblowing or terrifying, I’m not sure.

I think it stops premature closure from the reticular activiating system in the brain, and, thus makes you more childlike.

V interesting. The Feynman Mone? Now given that it has effects on vision and (I think) on hearing one might assume that it modulates perception more generally. (I guess we should look at smell, taste and touch also).

So it potentially isn’t something one would wish to wear to the office - might prove difficult to narrow down one’s focus and get any work done. The RAS also deals with achievement of goals, no?

Oh and clarification here

Further observation… although it makes the music more interesting, this is probably not the mone for beginner’s dance class.

I did actually wear it to dance class and have more than usual trouble paying attention to learn the new steps. (Hard to attribute that to any one thing, but I suspect TAF did not help).