TAF Question

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I have been using TAF for work. 5ml bottle 12.5 mcg. I notice that when I use TAF my concentration is good but man do I get edgy. I hate any form of distraction, can be a bit snappish. Have anyone of you experienced this? It is much less when I use it with Instant Shine though.

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Hi Diatris :wink: How many sprays did you use?

TAF is one of those molecules that can have an either/or effect on you based, I believe, on your individual makeup. Some people get jumpy on TAF. My 18-year old son gets a pretty bad fight or flight response when he is near too much of it.

You may want to try P93 or P100 instead. Or you may want to calm down the response with one of the molecules that is slightly relaxing like P86 or P103. Or you may want to try using a smaller dosage. What dosage are you currently wearing?

Let us know what you try and what happens.

Diane

I have to keep my dose of TAF on the low side. Too much and I get annoyed by all the “distractions”. So, yeah I know what you mean. The way it works best for me, when I’m trying to concentrate, is to first dial down the distractions. Otherwise my attention is pulled in too many different directions.

Everybody seems to have a different sweet spot, especially with this molecule. When I first started using it even 12.5mcg was giving me ADD. Now under the right circumstances I can wear 25mcg. For me the effect also seems to last for several hours. Diatris, I’d try cutting your dose in half and working your way from there. I’ve noticed with prolonged use the effect of TAF, at the same dose, seems to diminish somewhat. I think this is one that you can acclimated to and may need to eventually use higher doses to achieve the same effect. Anybody else have thoughts about this?

I have a way back report from my first experiment with TAF. I think it’s in the first few pages of the Ballroom if ya wanna check it out.

I really like TAF and use it often. If I’m using it to concentrate, for say paper work, I keep it low. For social, when I’m not concerned so much with where my attention is being “directed”, I sometimes venture higher. And I almost always add it to a sexual mix. It’s very tactile. :wink:

Well, hope that’s of some help to you. :slight_smile:

Bella

Yup, TAF lasts a very long time for me… I can feel the effects up to 10 hours.

I think it is really interesting, Bella, that TAF can give you ADD. I have ADD and it has the opposite effect on me… really tuning me into whatever I have my attention on. I’ve used it up to 60 mcg and it is calming and centering for me, as well as turning up the dial on sensations.

Diane

Maybe TAF is similar to Ritalin, in that it could easily overstimulate and cause ADD like effects to people who do not have ADD.

On the flip side however, TAF might enable a modulating effect that produces calmness and concentration via paradoxical reaction to people with ADD just like Ritalin.

Maybe, but we really need to hear from people like Steve, who love this product and wear it almost daily, who are not ADD… maybe it is the amphetamine-like effect that is unusual.

Diane

More on TAF, the Reticular Activating System and ADHD is pasted below. I think the key here is that maybe in Diane’s case the Reticular Activating System doesn’t excite the neurons of the cortex as much as it ought to and reasonable amounts of TAF may help to do this job. W****hereas in people without ADD like Bella, large amounts of TAF may make the RAS too excited, and arouses the cortex or other systems of the brain too much. Anyway its all speculation (no studies :wink:) but interesting nonetheless…

TAF 5mcg (TAF 5mcg - #19 by MHarris)
MHarris (January 4, 2006):
"…To me, the awareness thing is very odd. As much as I hate leading, TAF (https://pheromonelabs.com/) is just too weird not to talk about a little… (also, I’m going to talk mostly about subjective effects on ME, whereas other people who’ve given me feedback have given me effects on others)

When I go on walks with 50mcg TAF, I notice myself picking up details I’ve never noticed before. I walked down the same street I’ve been on tens of times, maybe over a hundred. I notice little shops and details of shops I never noticed before.

At the same time, I did notice a sort of tunnel vision… it was sort of like “zooming in” mentally.

Maybe it’s functioning at a higher level entirely… being able to simultaneously take in more, yet use that same expanded awareness/attention on anything we decide to focus on.

I, too, find myself lingering with TAF. Everything is just so much more interesting.

I hate, really despite saying this, but it’s almost like getting sort of weird X-Men like ability.

Again, why nature has a pheromonal molecule like this, is beyond me.

**In a practical sense, I think if you stick around someone else long enough for the TAF (https://pheromonelabs.com/) to affect them, too, then they could very well discover charming facets of you they’d never have discovered before.

Could be a good fall in love (or lust) pheromone for that aspect (“you are SO fascinating!”). Could also be useful for revitalizing relationships (“I never noticed this about you before… but, wow, it’s like I’m getting to know you for the first time… there’s so much more to discover about you”).**
I think it stops premature closure from the reticular activiating system in the brain, and, thus makes you more childlike."

6 pack thread (The Great Androstenone Experiment Parts 1 & 2)... - #20 by MHarris (6 pack thread (The Great Androstenone Experiment Parts 1 & 2)... - #20 by MHarris)
MHarris (March 19, 2006):
“…TAF (https://pheromonelabs.com/) is experimental, but seems to play the role of a “second look” pheromone in some cases. Shuts down the brain’s filters, hotwires the Reticular Acviating System (the RAS), and allows people to look at things or people like they were looking at them for the very first time… valuable in some contexts… including this one…”

http://www.parent-forum.com/directory/parenting/2393.php (http://www.parent-forum.com/directory/parenting/2393.php)
The Reticular Activating System, and its Role in Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder****
In our last article about the neurology of ADHD we began to introduce the reader to the system in the brain known as the Reticular Activating System. The Reticular Activating System is the “attention center” in the brain. It is the key to “turning on your brain,” and seems to be the center of motivation.
The Reticular Activating System is connected at its base to the spinal cord where it receives information projected directly from the ascending sensory tracts. The brainstem reticular formation runs all the way up to the mid-brain. As a result, the Reticular Activating System is a very complex collection of neurons that serve as a point of convergence for signals from the external world and from interior environment.
In other words, it is the part of your brain where the world outside of you, and your thoughts and feelings from “inside” of you, meet.
This Reticular Activating System is very capable of generating dynamic effects on the activity of the cortex, including the frontal lobes, and the motor activity centers of the brain. It plays a significant role in determining whether a person can learn and remember things well or not, on whether or not a person is impulsive or self-controlled, on whether or not a person has high or low motor activity levels, and on whether or not a person is highly motivated or bored easily. The Reticular Activating System is the center of balance for the other systems involved in learning, self-control or inhibition, and motivation.
When functioning normally, it provides the neural connections that are needed for the processing and learning of information, and the ability to pay attention to the correct task. But if the Reticular Activating System doesn’t excite the neurons of the cortex as much as it ought to, then we see the results of an under-aroused cortex, such as difficulty learning, poor memory, little self-control, and so on. In fact, if the Reticular Activating System failed to activate the cortex at all one would see a lack of consciousness or even coma.
What would happen if the Reticular Activating System was too excited, and aroused the cortex or other systems of the brain too much? Then we would see individuals with excessive startle responses, hyper-vigilance, touching everything, talking too much, restless, and hyperactive. So the Reticular Activating System must be activated to normal levels for the rest of the brain to function as it should.

What factors could cause the Reticular Activating System to be either over-activated or under-activated?
According to Harvard Medical School, current research strongly suggests that Attention Deficit Disorder is caused in part by a deficiency of Norepinephrine in the ascending reticular activating system, and it is thought that the stimulant medications, such as Ritalin, increase the levels of Norepinephrine in that part of the brain, as well as probably increasing dopamine levels in the frontal lobes. This treatment strategy works well for the inattentive under-aroused ADD kids, and somewhat well for the over-aroused impulsive-hyperactive ADHD kids.
However, for the kids who have an over-aroused Reticular Activating System to begin with, the use of stimulants will often exacerbate the problems with temper, sleep, and hyper-vigilance or anxiety. For these individuals their physicians will often prescribe a Norepinepherine antagonist such as Clonadine, or an antidepressant such as Prozac, which works to enhance the Serotonin driven inhibitory mechanisms of the brain.
However, it is not just activation levels of the Reticular Activating System that are a problem with Attention Deficit Disordered individuals.
It seems that the same problems that cause the Reticular Activating System to be under or over aroused also restricts the development of neural connections and the required neural density needed to process incoming information. In other words, these are issues with the number of brain cells, the size of the brain cells, and the number of connections between brain cells. It is not uncommon for one brain cell to have as many as 5,000 connections with other brain cells.
Picture the incoming information to be processed and learned as the volume of water coming out of your shower head. And picture the brain’s ability to process this information as the drain and the drain pipe in the shower floor. If the pipe is clogged up, your shower will have problems draining. If the contractor originally installed a drain pipe that is too small, again your shower will have problems draining. In either case, you will either have to reduce the amount of water coming out of the shower head, or you will have to let the shower back up and wait a while for the water to finally drain out. Here’s the connection?
If the brain does not have enough neural connections, or lacks the neural density, to process the incoming information, then it will be like a pipe that is too small to handle a large volume of water. It will take in some, but the rest will be stopped and won’t go down the pipe rapidly. Learning will take place, but the time that it takes to process the information will be slowed significantly.
The impact of this with an Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder child is best seen when the child is given a timed test, even with material that the child understands pretty well.
The “timed” aspect of the test requires that the child have a “larger drain pipe,” as it were, to quickly process the problems on the test and recall the answer. However, with Attention Deficit Disorder - ADHD - the “pipe” is often too small, and the results of the timed test will probably be very poor. However, take away the timed element on the same test, and “allow the water to drain a the slower rate,” and the child will often do well on the test.
So the ADHD child, or adult, needs to develop a greater degree of neural density, and a larger number of neural connections to process information faster and more efficiently.
Now, please do not think that this information to be processed is only what takes place in the classroom. The information to be processed includes information from the outside world, including the touch of the clothes on his skin, the buzz of the lights overhead, the sound of the kids playing outside, and the new information that the teacher is lecturing on at the front of the classroom. It also includes the information from inside the head, the thoughts and feelings of the ADHD person.
All of that must be sorted out and filtered, so that only the important information is paid attention to, and the unimportant information is ignored. Without proper filtering by the Reticular Activating System, the individual will be distracted by “noise,” both from outside of him as well as from inside of him. You can learn more about the neurlogy of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder by reading through the ADHD Information Library.
Douglas Cowan, Psy.D., is a family therapist who has been working with ADHD children and their families since 1986. He is the clinical director of the ADHD Information Library’s family of seven web sites, including http://www.newideas.net, helping over 350,000 parents and teachers learn more about ADHD each year. Dr. Cowan also serves on the Medical Advisory Board of VAXA International of Tampa, FL., is President of the Board of Directors for KAXL 88.3 FM in central California, and is President of NewIdeas.net Incorporated.

Awesome! Thank you!

Diane

Somethings are counterintuative. Who the hey would think speed (Ritailin) would/could calm a child down and enable him to function at a normal level?

My first test with TAF -

Bella

Thank you guys. I usually just use two sprays on the neck or behind the ears. I figure near my brain will be good.

I have 12.5 mcg a 5ml to-go bottle.

Unlike Bella, I seem to need less of it the longer I use it. I used to use up to 60.0 mcg. Now I keep it to much smaller amounts, up to 10.0 mcg.

25 mcg seems like a bit much to me, especially since you are sensitive to it. Maybe you should try just one spray and see where that takes you.

Diane

I use 50mcg of Taf when I have a specific purpose like testing a putative or something but generally on most days that I use it I do find it can make me take to long perfecting one thing or another so I will only use around 15 mcg’s just to clearify my thoughts a bit. More then that and It takes me an hour to do a 10 minute job.

Tisha