The impact of diet (what you eat) on pheromonal reactions?

This was originally in response to Thomas Lavoie’s post here regarding A314.

I think the purity of the food supply in Quebec may something to do with how bold the reactions are Thomas sees.

I can confirm that, despite his colorful personality, he’s not really exaggerating. I’ve noticed the same thing while in Montreal. Pheromone testing couldn’t be easier there. Some molecules that are elicit sort of “subtle” reactions in the masses in the US, tend to generate extremely overt reactions in Montreal.

Beyond the cultural differences, the thing that strikes me about this region, is how tightly food is controlled by government regulations. Many foods are grown locally, and under strict quality guidelines. It’s like the AOC regulations in France.

Here in the US, we have “health food” stores like Whole Foods, Trader Joes (half healthy, half fancy junk food) and their local equivalents, and lord knows the people in grocery stores like that react more to pheromones than they do at others. They’re high speed pheromone testing grounds where you can catalog a lot of reactions fast.

Maybe when a body gets more real food (old fashioned food), and less of the nearly synthetic corn derived stuff we’re find at typical “mass market” supermarkets, we do react more. When we “eat clean”, eat naturally, we must biochemically be more more like ancient humans, in a sense. Old fashioned humans certainly were more scent aware than people are today on diets of Doritos.

With the type of old fashioned food supply in Montreal and Quebec in general, I think you still have the benefits of this to a great extent. Except for the prevalence of farmed fish, that is. I couldn’t find wild fish (wild salmon) anywhere. I even heard it was illegal.

I suppose “fish farming” wouldn’t be so bad if they didn’t farm the damn things in a stew of toxins, including mercury. I don’t know what kind of enormous fish bowl farmed fish are raised in, but I sure as heck never raised fish for pets in a toxic manner. I can’t understand why farmed fish meant for human consumption end up more toxic than those from the wild ocean. You’d figure in a controlled environment they could be more easily filter the water, control nutrients, etc.

BTW, I brought this up, because I know you’re very health aware as well, Thomas.

What you write just reminds me about how obvious the pheromone reactions are in Montreal, and I honestly have to wonder if it is somehow connected to the quality of your highly regulated food supply there.

I don’t know if you’ve seen these documentaries about our supply here in the US or not, but it’s interesting:

The common food in Montreal vs. the common food in the US is quite different. Everything here is corn based. Even the meat from corn fed animals is completely different than the grass and hay fed farm animals of old. Now with melamine (the stuff school tables are made of) found in food here in the US, due to the US<–>China connection, it’s even worse than corn, I suppose.

Maybe today’s non-traditional food supply is why pheromone reactions tend to be more muted down here amongst the general population. Non-natural diet = non-natural olfactory system? Corn based diet = lower affect people, perhaps?

Time Magazine last week “The Real Cost of Cheap Food”:

Getting Real About the High Price of Cheap Food - TIME

As the old saying goes, garbage in, garbage out.

Maybe one of these “hidden” costs is our loss of connection with our very senses? Our sense of smell, taste, touch? A loss of connection with what it means to be alive, to some extent?

Grocery store veggies and fruits usually give me a gut ache (too much preservatives & pesticides), so I started an organic veggie garden years ago. I haven’t bought any fruits or veggies in grocery stores for 7 or 8 years. Of course living in the tropics means crops grow fast and year around. The biggest benefit beyond the obvious health ones is tree/bush ripened veggies and fruits taste 10 times better than even places like Whole Foods.

What amazes me is how much better I feel in general when eating all ‘clean’ foods as we would say. I’ve been eating as healthy as possible for the last few years, and what stands out to me is how great I feel all the time. It’s shocking to think of how bad I actually feel when eating some kind of fast food (which is probably less than once every 3 months). When my diet wasn’t so good, I felt like that all the time, just a constant feeling of…blah.

Do most people feel bad all the time because they have no idea what it’s like to eat healthy and feel amazing? It seems people are used to the feeling now. They just don’t know what it’s like to feel good all the time. Also, I haven’t been ‘sick’ enough for it to stop me from doing what I would normally do at all in probably seven or more years now.

I remember how difficult it was when I went on holiday to the US how difficult it was (for us tourists) to get some normal food. All I could find was fast-food, Italian (mainly pizza) and Chinese. Eating that day after day didn’t make me feel very well.
Of course when you live there you propably know the good places :wink:

Anyway, great post gives you something to think about :slight_smile:

I couldn’t agree more. For years I thought I didn’t like certain foods such as apples and tomatoes. Then I met someone who had a small orchard and small organic farm. I couldn’t believe how delicious the foods I ‘didn’t like’ really were when they were eaten fresh and without the pesticides and fertilizers that get added to the grocery store varieties.

I got almost as sick eating in Montana/Wyoming when I was roadtripping through there as I got eating in China for a week (almost mind you)

I think your also missing a cultural element to Thomas’ success… Montreal is very european in nature but it also has a french canadian roughness to it. I’ve found whenever I’m down there for business that ladies in Montreal (especially the ones who are quite français) tend to be more outgoing with how they are feeling… definetly less reserved.
They’ll also call you on your shit faster than you think imagineable.

Well, you need to use fertilizer or nothing will grow. I prefer steer and chicken manure and compost veggie matter. My Chinese neighbors use human dung (!) and their veggies grow like friggen weeds on steroids. Smells terrible tho’.

The difference being that she uses manure as opposed to the commercial varieties of fertilizer. It really does make a difference (never tried veggies grown with people poo, though. At least not that I’m aware of).

This is pure speculation but I think what you eat can have an effect on pheromone self-effects. The reason I think so is because everything we feel is effected by the neurotransmitter levels in our brain.

I think the most important ones are the following:
Dopamine - Need Vitamin B6 and Tyrosine in diet.
Serotonin - Need 5HTTP or Tryptophan in diet
Acetylcholine - Need choline in diet
Norepinephrine - Need Tyrosine and Vitamin C in diet

I think healthy levels of the following neurotransmitters in the brain are essential for pheromones to have their full effectiveness.

A good book on the American food supply is The Omnivore’s Dilemma by Michael Pollan. Will make you understand how bad the standard American food supply is for you. It even addresses farmed fish and why farmed salmon has saturated fat instead of the good omega 3 fat. Corn and soy anyone??:open_mouth:

Tis true!

The over-processing, pesticides, and even feeding/housing practices of our livestock all have detrimental effects on the quality of food and nutrition it provides!

A great deal of natural vitamins and nutrients are lost due to the various practices we employ
often times they “enrich” products with artificial vitamins and/or nutrients to try and make up for the losses but what most people do not know is that naturally occurring vitamins in foods are accompanied by certain enzymes and what not that allow our bodies to process the vitamins and use them effectively!

When you supplement the vitamins your losing generally 50-80% of them as your body really doesn’t know what to do with many of the vitamins/nutrients in their isolated/pure form!

As a result of this some studies are finding a lot of our food today is nutritionally empty and overall unhealthy! not to mention the large number of additives and preservatives used in many products to improve everything from texture and color of the food, to the taste of the food or longevity of it(such additives may also have adverse health reactions in varying degrees to different people)

What makes this info more shocking to me is the growing body of evidence that nutritional deficits can have effects that mirror just about every physical and psychological disorder that we are currently aware of (in some cases people who were thought to be schizophrenic simply had certain vitamin deficiencies!!!)

As these things play a large role in just about all of our body’s processes it is not at all surprising to me that there may be some connection between diet and phero reactions

It may very well be both that the reaction to your phero’s are enhanced by more healthy individuals and/or that your own phero signature is improved by being more healthy

Well, most US residents are zinc deficient from massive zinc depletion in the soil. Good levels of Zinc = libido, proper taste function(PROPER TASTE FUNCTION AND PROPER PHEROMONE PERCEPTION, YES!), no anorexia…

OH AND BY THE WAY, I HAVE BEEN GUZZLING 1 TO 15 ORGANIC WHOLE FOOD MULTI VITAMINS PER DAY FOR THE PAST 3/4 OF MY LIFE WITH A HORDE OF 40+ SUPPLEMENTS EVERYDAY. THIS IS WHY I’M THE TALLEST GUY YOU’LL EVER MEET.

Quebec does have its share of extreme shit junk food and water fluoridation, msg’ed shit food, sodium nitrate, mineral deficient imported shit, and American products loaded with GMO soy, GMO corn, high fructose corn syrup containing mercury…

It is true though that Quebec has an elevated level of health and very low crime rate where EVERYONE believes that your opinion is of extreme importance. Town hall meetings and socialist thinking is of extreme importance here.

Here in Quebec i can buy super high quality organic grass fed horse steak for 2$. The same shit quality GMO corn fed beef from the US is 6.50$ (USD is worth more…). Feed lot shit is NOT cheaper!

I’ve actually been vegan since January… I feel so much better in every way.. I don’t get the growth hormones from cow meat or milk… i dont get the ‘bad’ proteins from meat… I feel better, I look better and it has helped me in a great many ways… I get all of my veggies organic from a local health food store, when i can’t grow it myself (michigan is a bit cold for veggies in the winter :slight_smile: ) May be off point but I feel FANTASTIC compared to the way I used to feel.

I grow a lot of my own fruit and vegetables and thanks to Thomas, introduced myself to spirulina and chlorella. The best thing about this is that I no longer suffer the mid-afternoon slump in energy levels.

For about an hour after lunch, I’d get so tired I often felt like I could close my eyes and drift off. I often struggled to stop myself doing just that.

Musk