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Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Journals
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Case if some readers don’t know, my name is Ian, and I just turned 18 at the beginning of the month. And now that I have received the pheromones that my dad bought me a week ago (fast shipping btw, thanx), I decided to write a journal.

The pheromones I bought were Instant Shine (1x strength) and Come Talk to Me Mix 2. IF ANYBODY HAS SOME SUGGESTIONS LET ME KNOW! Well time to post results from today

Day 1 Field Test - 3/22/09

Location: High School

Applied: 1 spray of Instant Shine

Results: I noticed a little bit of a self effect. When I applied the cologne and let it settle a bit, I noticed a face expression change. I usually have a stern, frowning face as a normal look. I looked in my car mirror and I noticed that I had a small smile (kinda hard to frown), so I guess this could be it. I went to get my Tennis pictures; no eye contact from the ladies so far. However, I did find it a little easier to talk to my teammates (because I’m a pretty shy at heart). A little disappointed, but I’ll test the Come Talk to Me + Instant Shine combo on Tuesday and slowly increase the dosage on Instant Shine.

So what if....
The AMMO smell
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Day 2 - 3/23/09

Location: Tennis Courts

Applied: 2 sprays of Instant Shine

Results: Didn’t feel the confidence like everyone says on here, even after two sprays. I just felt normal; nothing much changed. I went to the tennis courts and I thought I had confidence but ended up losing the match. What was ironic was that I had no confidence in my strokes, and basically gave up the game.

I’m going to test both come talk to me and instant shine tommorrow for a full school day, if anyone has any tips, PLEASE POST!

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Day 3 - 3/24/09

Applied: 1.5 Sprays of Come Talk to Me Mix 2 (split between wrists)
1.5 Sprays of Instant Shine (on the neck)

Location: High School

Results: Well, these were both bottles, I decided not to use the togo version of instant shine that was shipped to me in addition of my order. I sprayed CCTM2 for the first time, and so far in the morning, nobody was talking. I tried the hallway test to my first period class (where everyone is in the hallway) and see if anyone noticed. So far, no eye contact, no approach, nothing.

By the time I get to Spanish class however, we had to translate a dialogue and I originally was going to group with this one dude. HOWEVER, my friend (who was a girl), was beckoning me to come over and join her group to fill the third spot (which I kinda felt sorry ditching the dude, but watever). So this could be a possible hit, or they just needed a third person; kind of mixed signals.

When we got to the group, I could tell sitting there and her smelling the cologne was starting to work. She became a little chatty at first, and I think she enjoyed my presence. A surprising twist came where this really hot girl, who was sitting from behind me, asked me several times on how to say something in Spanish. So then we get done, and I have a good chat with my friend and her friend; then everything went quiet when I ran out of things to say, so then I go and talk to the hot girl afterwards. We talked for a while, and we talked about prom. However, I was starting to run out of things to say, and I was getting mixed signals, and then the bell rang and she took off with her friend.

Nothing much happened later that day except for my friend (who is a boy) was talking about how he crashed on his scooter and stuff.

To be blunt, today was a little disappointing; I’ll have to increase the dosage tommorrow to 2-3 sprays of CCTM2 and 1-2 of Instant Shine. If anyone HAS ANY TIPS ON WHERE TO APPLY THE COLONGE FOR MOST EFFECTIVE RESULTS, FOR GODSAKES! POST!!! :angry:

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Hi!

I’m somewhat older than you, but not much more experienced! (in pheros and life as well.) You can find my noob’s journal on this same board.

My advice is not to increase dosage: 1 or 2 shots should be enough. Rather you should take it easy. This means, be happy with yourself, don’t feel tense, keep a smile on your face, smile to people (friends and strangers alike) and say hello more often.

Don’t expect people to come to you and lead the social interaction. It’s not going to happen. You need to initiate conversation, lead the interaction yourself, and have a positive attitude all throughout your day.

One way you can have a positive attitude is by avoiding negative thoughts. You know what I mean, when you tell yourself “I’m such a ***” or “This will never ***” or “I’ll always ***”. STOP doing it. Catch yourself when you’re about to start a negative thought and kill it right there. You’ll see the results rightaway. (This is not BS by the way, it’s called cognitive therapy. I can point you to a book or two if you’re interested.)

As others have said before me, pheros are grease. If you stand still (in your level of social interaction) you won’t move at all, grease or not. But if you push just a little bit (start a conversation here, throw a smile to the pretty girl there…) then you’ll glide as you’d never be able to do by yourself.

Hope this helps!

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Yeah, that did help, thanks. However, I’m going to increase the dosage to find a sweet spot where instead of grease, it could just be pure slippery oil. So when I initiate a question or a hello, hopefully they can start a topic to talk me about and I can contribute, throw some game, and listen to.

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Day 4 - 3/25/09

Applied: 1 Spray of Instant Shine to the neck
2 Sprays of Come Talk To Me Mix 2 (spray between wrists, and sray on hair)

Location: High School

Results: So far, I’m not noticing any effect from Instant Shine, and I’m quite afraid to OD, so I think I’ll increase my dosage tommorrow. Anyone, once again, the pheros only did their work in Spanish class. My friend in the group did not seem to respond to the pheros as much she did yesterday. On the other hand, there was one girl (who id rate about a 6/10) seem to make full eye contact when she was talking to me. We were trying to make a dialogue after the group works were over and a new assignment was made. We were laughing and joking because of our limited Spanish Vocabulary. I noticed eye contact from one girl in the hallway (who I’d rate a 10), looked at me today when I was at my locker. I don’t know whether it was my own pheros or the synthetic ones, however I wouldn’t count it as a “hit”.

Other than that, it seemed like a pretty normal day. Once again, I leave the field test disappointed. I think I may have chosen the wrong pheros, and I should of went with Openess + Honesty. So far Shine isn’t doing any good for me right now; im not “glowing”. Come Talk to Me is doing an okay job; I guess I still have to find the sweet spot for both bottles.

I’m still not experiencing any amazing stories like I’m reading off this site. I’ll have to increase my dosage, and try a different location this weekend such as the mall.

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Day 5 - 3/26/09

Applied: 3 sprays of Come Talk to Me Mix 2 (one on each wrist and one in hair)
2 Sprays of Instant Shine to the neck

Location: High School

Results: Today was a horrible day for me, the pheromones did not work out like they should of. The instant shine didn’t make me feel confident, nor did the Come Talk to Me Mix 2 make talking any easier. So in Spanish class, my friend seemed normal, not talktative nor quiet. However, on the other hand, I caught that girl that was sitting behind me, got a chance to talk to her at lunch. I said hey how’s it going, and she said good, and so I try to initiate a conversation but then she totally walks faster and rejects me in the hallway.

The only good thing was that I have this other friend (who calls me her best friend and I would rate her 10/10), and we were talking in the middle of the lunch, and I told her I was trying a new cologne and told her to sniff my wrists. She did and said with a smile that she definitely approves. However, she already has a long-term boyfriend so I can’t do much at this point.

Plus, by math class which was before lunch, I was tired. It was like a semi almost hit me and I had used all my adreniline to get out of the way. I felt tired the rest of the day, and I leave yet again, another field test with failure. No eye contact, no long conversations.

What I conclude from almost a week of testing is that the social barriers may be too large for social pheromones to handle. So I think I should of bought something like TUTH or AMMO. However, I am not impressed with Come Talk to Me Mix 2, which I heard that you can get raw results from it. I should of went with a combo like TUTH + Instant Openess + Honesty or somewhere along the lines of that. Like a sexual + quanitive social + a qualitive social. To say the least, I’m disappointed with Instant Shine too, I did not feel like I was glowing or any more confident after two sprays. Any more I felt, I would of smelled like a cologne factory.

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Erm 2-3 sprays of IS should be sufficient

IS is a funny molecule - it’s not really confidence but more of a boost in mood (you alluded to not being as frowny)

It also has a tendency to draw people towards you (they feel better when around you, so they want to be more around you)

My guess is that you don’t carry yourself with very much confidence (no insult) - Wearing 3 X CTTM2 and 2 X IS presents a somewhat weak image forward and that could be why you had such a bad day with that test… or it was just an off day

I would suggest staying away from TUTH - AMMO @ 1-2 sprays + IS could be really nice for you

I also highly suggest trying out Instant Gentleman - I think it might just be perfect for you.

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I’m lost, what do you mean by a weak image? what pheromone makes me weak? I’m confused by your logic… :confused:

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I think he meant to say if you don’t carry yourself as your pheros present you to be, that projects a weakness from you.

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Erm I guess I was inaccurate -

When you go out naturally each day the way you walk, talk and yes, even smell presents an image to the world.

Every guy and girl has a natural pheromone signature - it’s why people oftentimes get funny reactions from people who know them well when they first start using mones.

Some guys - they just feel like they are the big man, the one in charge before you even talk to them, others guys just seem friendly.

The problem is that certain molecules present a WEAK image because of their highly non-sexual nature. Alpha-nols put a “Hey I’m a friendly and rather non-sexual creature” kind of vibe out - that is part of why they buffer 'none (TUTH, AMMO) so well, they add balance to none aggressive “Me caveman, want sex, bash dude head in, GRRRR” vibe.

Unfortunately what this means is that if you aren’t someone who comes off as strongly sexual normally you probably have one of those naturally “friendly” signatures which can easily come of as weak. Add a bunch of social to an already weak signature and you end up essentially further lowering the value you bring to the table to those girls.

Or in other words - Social 'mones are AWESOME… but sometimes they can produce negative reactions in target girls because to some extent they act by lowering your value (and therefore making you more approachable) - Like most pheromones it is a double edged sword - You want to look to walk a thin (actually its pretty wide) sexual line… not too much or you become creepy… not too little or you become unworthy

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Day 6 - 3/27/09

Applied - 3.5 Sprays of Instant Shine to wrists

Location - High School

Results: Hallway test proved negative. However, once again, spanish class was the jackpot. My friend who I’m working with this dialogue project on was being affected by the pheromones better than yesterday and the day before that combined. About mid-way into the partnership, she turned her body and lifted her leg all the way over the chair so that she could face me (cause I was sitting behind her). I took this sign pretty well, I knew she was interested and opening up to me. Then she started to lean back on the desk and give me long gazes as I read some of the dialogue. Instantly, I knew what was going on; it looked like she was about to have sex. If I had AMMO on, I swear she would have sucked my dick. She didn’t come out and say that I was attractive because she has a boyfriend, but I knew that the pheromones were making her somewhat turned-on.

The rest of the day, my confidence soared. It was Friday too, which added to the enjoyment. I would say the Instant Shine was a success today. Now I know what to do if I want to go any further. After 6 days of testing, I think the pheromones are becoming a part of my signature. Instant Shine alone worked way better than the combo, which is pretty much what Wrlprchnx said.

I heard an Instant Shine + AMMO combo works wonders; this makes want to buy AMMO now haha.

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CTTM2 is already instant openness + instant honesty. So dont sweat about it. You already got a good product. As a matter of fact, I have mixed up a batch of instant openness and instant honesty to create my own CTTM2, but it takes me 2x the amount of sprays (from a to-go bottle) then regular to use enough pheros.

It seems I am one of the very few people who cant get instant shine working for him, but I dont sweat about it. I dont put out that image anyways…
So I wont talk about that.

I would stress what etx said with his grease analogy. Come on, no matter how much a person wants to talk to you, you alteast need to give them a REASON to do so.
Have you ever felt the need to talk to a HB10XX but needed ONE MORE sign that she wants to talk to you just the same.. before you approch her? How can you expect people doing the same to you when YOU dont give them that sign?

Look straight in the eyes. Walk with your back straight. Dont fidget too much. BE CONFIDENT! And watch magic happen…

Also when I say that, I know its not always that you feel very confident. Happens to the best of us. Just take a deep breath and create an invisible force field around your self. If you are shot after that, GO DOWN WITH A SMILE!

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Day 7 - 3/30/09

Applied: 3 sprays of Instant Shine to wrists

Location: High School

Results: Nothing special today, to be honest, it was a terrible day. Instant shine couldn’t solve the problem. I didn’t see any hits or anything today, not even in Spanish Class. I think I will solo test Come Talk to Me Mix 2 tommorrow to see how it goes.

The problem may be that I’m testing in the wrong location, and I need to actually go game in the mall because the social barriers outweigh the synthetic pheromones. People are too afraid to talk to me because of what the high school already labeled me as (freak, creeper, person-to-bring-a-gun-to-school, etc.).

I want to achieve a goal, and bring at least one hot girl (or an attractive girl in my opinion) to prom. I have until April 14th to register my date, otherwise, I may have no hope of going with somebody; thus, I would skip another potentially exciting event :frowning:.

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Why skip it - go without a date. Do you have any other friends at your school who don’t have dates either?

If so you should all go together - maybe play it large, like wearing White Tux’s or long-tail coats.

Have fun - Remember, especially with Prom - you will most likely not see most of these people again… who cares what they think - HAVE FUN! (I can’t stress that point enough)

As far as getting a girl to go with you by the 14th - You have two weeks which since any type of club (or lessons) typically only meet once a week means that you have few options:

  • You need to join a club on something that you are passionate about that girls around your age will be in. Have some nature of GREAT conversation with one of the girls the first week. Have another great conversation + ask her on a date the second week. Have the date before April 14 (tough again) AND manage to ask her to prom without it sounding creepy/desperate (because you’ve barely spent any time together at that point).

OR

  • You need to cold approach someone out and about + have sufficient game to get a instant date (like a coffee date) + build sufficient attraction for several more dates within your two week period.

Thats tough - I’ve got 6-7 years of time spent thinking and probably at least 2 years of time spent developing my internal confidence and I think I would have to get pretty lucky to get that done.

You are 18 (or so) and only at the start of your personal (re)development - Putting that kind of pressure on yourself is going to hurt alot more than it will help.

Make a go for it… but don’t be disappointed if it doesn’t happen man. Two weeks from nothing to saying yes for Prom is a huge order. (It would be easier to get laid in that timeframe… much, much, much easier and if it’s not something you’ve ever done before - getting laid from a daytime cold approach in two weeks is already a huge accomplishment)

Just a little perspective - in Neil Strauss Lifestyle Challenge book (which is essentially a beginners guide to starting the path towards becoming a PUA) - By day 19 you start to look at getting a ladies number from an approach

DAY 19! - everything before that point is just exercises to get yourself comfortable approaching.

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Wow Wrlprchnx… couldnt have said better!

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Day 8 - 3/31/09

Applied: 2 Sprays of CCTM2 to wrists

Location: High school and Tennis Court

Results: Nothing different happened at school today, nobody was chatty or anything. On the other hand, at the tennis court, I approached to two random girls (which was like about 7-8 hours after application) with little or no pheromones. We had a good and funny conversation and I was quite humorous. One of them said that I looked intelligant, and the same chick (who wasn’t my target) asked me if I was a virgin. I didn’t answer the question and the subject was changed about 2 seconds later.

So then I go to my team and then go back to the blonde chick (the target) and I asked her for number to text, and she gave it to me. Something didn’t feel right in that moment; it seemed she was a little embarrased when her friend laughed when I asked for it.

All in all, today was a failure. Not a total failure though, because I managed to approach and gain experience. However, I feel a little bit of embarrassment as well because the tennis team said I kept striking out, then they still made fun of me after I got her number.

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Hardly a failure bud - but the reason I would guess she felt embarrased… You had a great convo, LEFT, and then came back and asked for her number (to text).

If she was feeling your convo she would have felt weird when you walked away without asking for her number - Next time don’t take the easy way out and ask for her number to text either… it makes it much easier for that number to just flake on you if you asked her from a weak frame (I.E. a “I think your cute and want to meet up with you again” frame is strong - a “I like you but I don’t want to risk being rejected so I will ask for your number to send you random texts that you can easily ignore” is a weak frame)

Finally - Good on you not letting the “are you a virgin” question put you off - that question has all the characteristics of a standard “shit test”
A shit test is essentially a test of congruence. You were talking to them from a somewhat confident viewpoint, and she was testing to see if you were just pretending to be confident (its super common) - what you did… being unreactive… is the mark of an attractive man. Just so you know, you won’t be able to just brush those questions off and ignore them everytime - especially if she pushes. Another option you had was to play the question up - If you have ever done improv it works a little like the “Yes Game” (Improv scene where everytime a character starts a sentence in the skit he/she must start that sentence with Yes). Instead of ignoring it (which may or may not work… it especially won’t work if you show that you noticed the question) you play with the shit test (make her feel just a little silly for testing you). A great example of a good answer to this question would be “Hell yes I’m a virgin! How about we get out of here and help me rid the burden” - delivered in a playful way.

Devliering a line like that serves two purposes (where ignoring only serves one) - it passes the shit test because that is a hugely confident line AND it cranks up attraction within the conversation because you got a little sexual. It also has the added benefit of not being a lie if you are a virgin, but she will ASSUME that you aren’t a virgin after you deliver it.

Either way… good job on chatting up the ladies - keep working at talking to girls every single day and you’ll find your interactions consistently getting better.

Check out Approach Anxiety

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Thanks man. Another thing I didn’t menchen was they were going somewhere else by the park and invited me to come, and I didn’t. I didn’t want to look like I was following them like a puppy, yet I think it would of been more comfortable if I did.

Day 9

Applied: 3 sprays of Instant Shine to wrists

Location: High School

Results: Nothing different happened today. I didn’t have the time to approach girls nor did any approach me. I’m kind of sick with only instant shine and cctm2 in my toolbox. Not only did I have a little bit of approach anxiety, but I lack the attraction stage. Therefore, in the near future, I’m going to give AMMO or Mx292 a try. Tommorrow, Friday, and Saturday I’ll be in New York on a class trip. I’m probably only going to take my togo bottle of Instant Shine. I’ll post the results later.

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I wouldn’t worry about looking like you are following them around

If they invited you in a comfortable way, without you prodding them -I.E. not “What are you doing now… oh that sounds interesting…” proceeded by an uncomfortable silence and an even less “oh… you can come along if you want”

Then it isn’t following - you just need to make sure you leave them before it starts feeling like your just hanging around because they are there (and not because you want to be)

As long as you come off as genuinely wanting to be there - not just wanting to be there to be around them - your retain your value.