Tigerlilly's Reports

[Tigerlilly]

Haha - that was my mix for the conference. I met this guy there. He was actually helping me to set it up and put it on. That’s how we met.

Those are the only pheros he’s been around.

I would never wear p87 around someone I wanted emotional depth with.

He happened to be a social contact met while wearing a heavy duty work phero mix.

i was unaware that TAA caused mental distance. I have read your reports of p74 giving you an observer effect. I have not noticed that in myself, but I keep it in my notes as a potential reactive effect for others.

[Lor]

i want to know what kind of gal is attracted to name calling,labeling, and finding faults in others to LOOK better than everyone else???

oooh…
maybe a gal that does the same?

some guys should lay-off the 'none if they cant handle it.

[diane999]

@Tigerlilly

Haha - that was my mix for the conference. I met this guy there. He was actually helping me to set it up and put it on. That’s how we met.

Those are the only pheros he’s been around.

I would never wear p87 around someone I wanted emotional depth with.

He happened to be a social contact met while wearing a heavy duty work phero mix.

i was unaware that TAA caused mental distance. I have read your reports of p74 giving you an observer effect. I have not noticed that in myself, but I keep it in my notes as a potential reactive effect for others.

Ah… gotcha!

The mental distance of TAA isn’t much talked about on the board. It is something I’ve noticed when I tried to use it in my sensual mixes. And I’ve had that property confirmed by Mike Harris. Mike described it as an attention grabber, shallow and lacking in depth, and causing mental distance.

It’s great for getting attention, not so great for depth. I think social butterfly in the sunshine when I think of TAA.

Diane

[Tigerlilly]

Wow - thank you very very much for enlightening me!

I use it as a “duster” at the end of a mix. I’ll spray it like hairspray and walk into the mist. About 30-40mcg is what I have used as a mist, so I expect that about 20mcg actually landed on me.

I have the same mental picture actually - a mirror flashing in the sun, or a butterfly flitting about. Something that catches the eye, but nothing more lasting than that. That’s why I used it on top/on the outside/as a duster.

Something to draw them in to the deeper mix…

Your sensual test mixes are amazing, BTW. I’ve searched through most of your posts and read your trials and tribulations about them. Amazing testing!

In regards to P102 & P103 - is there a reason you use such low doses in your mix? Is that your dose in general for those pheros? Or is that the actionable dose level for that phero for that mix? (And how much testing did you do to find that dose level?! )

I also tried Warren’s p86/p83 ratio of 3:1. I can’t pinpoint the effect. I haven’t had positive experiences with P83. Takes me to an aggressive, uninhibited, “fcuk it all” place. Mixing the two still left me with an odd feeling, unlike the normal upbeat vibe from p86. Have you tried the two mixed?

[Lor]

sits in the background and awaits Dianes reply

[Tigerlilly]

Guess what?

Email from Super Hunk SAR Dude this am. He is very much looking forward to seeing me at the meeting. What a pleasant, out of the blue, for no reason email.

Also, professionally, life is skyrocketing into overdrive. Got several new contracts today. Good news for me, productivity wise! Bad news for me, social life wise. PT might be my only social life for awhile… and even then, only via Blackberry… My frequent flyer miles will double this year.

Still, “Margaritaville” is all I seem to be humming these days… That and “I dont know” (Spicoli’s theme, for whoever knows the reference…)

Life is guuud

[diane999]

@Tigerlilly

Wow - thank you very very much for enlightening me!

I use it as a “duster” at the end of a mix. I’ll spray it like hairspray and walk into the mist. About 30-40mcg is what I have used as a mist, so I expect that about 20mcg actually landed on me.

I have the same mental picture actually - a mirror flashing in the sun, or a butterfly flitting about. Something that catches the eye, but nothing more lasting than that. That’s why I used it on top/on the outside/as a duster.

Something to draw them in to the deeper mix…

awesome!

@Tigerlilly

Your sensual test mixes are amazing, BTW. I’ve searched through most of your posts and read your trials and tribulations about them. Amazing testing!

Thank you.

@Tigerlilly

In regards to P102 & P103 - is there a reason you use such low doses in your mix? Is that your dose in general for those pheros? Or is that the actionable dose level for that phero for that mix? (And how much testing did you do to find that dose level?! )

I also tried Warren’s p86/p83 ratio of 3:1. I can’t pinpoint the effect. I haven’t had positive experiences with P83. Takes me to an aggressive, uninhibited, “fcuk it all” place. Mixing the two still left me with an odd feeling, unlike the normal upbeat vibe from p86. Have you tried the two mixed?

P102/P103 - This is the effective level for me when mixed with Meo-Est to give those butterfly in the tummy excitement feelings, and mid body pleasure rushes. For me higher amounts become too silly and euphoric and sleepy and kind of overwhelm the rest of the mix.

P83 - yeah, it’s funny how there really are two different class of reactions to the same molecule. After my results weren’t matching the peacocking and positive reactions to this molecule that were being reported on the board I went back and read a lot of the old posts from testers who aren’t much posting any more. I found a lot of posts on P83 that talked about frustration and irritation in regards to this molecule. I found that wearing it I became very impatient and uninhibited in expressing that impatience. I didn’t get that wearing the molecule alone, though - only in a mix or layered with other things. But removing that one molecule fixed the problem for me.

But what I really hated about this molecule is the fact that my husband would insult me and start ridiculous fights - even after really good sex - when I was wearing this putative. And I’d escalate way over the top and end up not talking to him for six hours and wanting nothing more than to be at the other end of the universe from him.

It took me a while to realize that maybe it had something to do with the pheromones I was wearing. Thank gawd I was writing in my journal every day and could go back and look at everything I was wearing with each episode… and yup, P83 was worn on every day that these incidents occurred.

And here’s the amazing part - I stopped wearing P83, stopped wearing test mixes containing P83, and the insults and fights stopped. About a month ago I grabbed one of my test mixes for a blind trial - didn’t know what was in it until later. He started another stupid fight. Later I went to my spreadsheet and looked at what I’d put on - it had P83 in it.

I’ve tried Warren’s mixes and we are definitely different critters. He really likes the cerebral and stimulant-type putatives. I find them to inhibit and destroy bonding. The P83:P86 mix doesn’t do much for me either. I overdose on P86 pretty easily. I don’t find it sedating, but mind bending in an LSD kind of way and mildly amphetamine-like. Out of the P8_ series, he likes and uses most of them. I really only like P80 out of the bunch (of those that I’ve tried), but I like it enough to make up for the others.

Diane

[diane999]

@tigerlilly

guess what? :d :d :d

email from super hunk sar dude this am. He is very much looking forward to seeing me at the meeting. What a pleasant, out of the blue, for no reason email.

also, professionally, life is skyrocketing into overdrive. Got several new contracts today. Good news for me, productivity wise! Bad news for me, social life wise. Pt might be my only social life for awhile… And even then, only via blackberry… my frequent flyer miles will double this year.

Still, “margaritaville” is all i seem to be humming these days… That and “i dont know” (spicoli’s theme, for whoever knows the reference…)

life is guuud

yay! :d

[Tigerlilly]

@diane999

P102/P103 - This is the effective level for me when mixed with Meo-Est to give those butterfly in the tummy excitement feelings, and mid body pleasure rushes. For me higher amounts become too silly and euphoric and sleepy and kind of overwhelm the rest of the mix.

So when not mixed w/meo-est are your doses higher? Or when used as a single molecule?

@diane999

P83 - yeah, it’s funny how there really are two different class of reactions to the same molecule. After my results weren’t matching the peacocking and positive reactions to this molecule that were being reported on the board I went back and read a lot of the old posts from testers who aren’t much posting any more. I found a lot of posts on P83 that talked about frustration and irritation in regards to this molecule. I found that wearing it I became very impatient and uninhibited in expressing that impatience. I didn’t get that wearing the molecule alone, though - only in a mix or layered with other things. But removing that one molecule fixed the problem for me.

Ahh! Enlightenment!

W/p83 alone, I have had some sexual hits - more strutting, peacocking, “forward momentum” type stuff. The (new) “classic” hits from p83 that that board talks about.

In the layered mixes I used it in:

A heavy social/party mix/bar mix - forward momentum and aggression. Heavy disinhibition. Touching, physical contact. Rudeness. Bluntness. Get “things” done. Sexual overtones.

An emotional bonding mix - horrendous! Irritation, aggression, confusion. sharper reactions and an “on edge” feeling. Guarded and wary, waiting to strike. I thought at the time that me reactions were similar to when TAL grabs me, running wild with in-your-face aggression and attitude.

Thanks for your explanations. That really made a lightbulb go off (on?) in my head.

I guess this is one of those molecules that can really change the direction of a mix, quick like. It would be interesting to do a meta-analysis of the boards reactions with it, alone and in mixes.

@diane999

I’ve tried Warren’s mixes and we are definitely different critters. He really likes the cerebral and stimulant-type putatives. I find them to inhibit and destroy bonding. The P83:P86 mix doesn’t do much for me either. I overdose on P86 pretty easily. I don’t find it sedating, but mind bending in an LSD kind of way and mildly amphetamine-like. Out of the P8_ series, he likes and uses most of them. I really only like P80 out of the bunch (of those that I’ve tried), but I like it enough to make up for the others.

Hmmm… I’ve never had an amphetamine like reaction to p86. I do get the “classic” airbrushing effect though. I would bet serious, serious money on p86 being in IS/a (and possibly b). I sprayed a coworker with is/a one day and literally watched her get airbrushed in front of me, just like p86 does. She went from looking rough, tired, and old looking to shiny, buffed, and glowing. In about 3 minutes. In front of me. My jaw dropped when I realized what was happening.

I find it has an airbrushing, softening quality, quite opposite of the TAF visual effect I get. With TAF, I can see each tree leaf, each blade of grass. With P86, i see a lush field of green, and a swaying, warm tree.

I like it enough to use it a lot.

I haven’t played much with the other p8_'s though, aside from 83 and 87. Any others worth trying? I heard 88 is very similar to 87. I do want to try 80. What is your does with that, both alone or in a mix? How does your hubby react to you with that on?

Did you ever kick anyone down a bottomless pit with it on?

[diane999]

@Tigerlilly

So when not mixed w/meo-est are your doses higher? Or when used as a single molecule?

P102 and P103 are too sedating for me to use alone. I only use them for their enhancement effects in my sensuality mixes.

@Tigerlilly

Ahh! Enlightenment!

W/p83 alone, I have had some sexual hits - more strutting, peacocking, “forward momentum” type stuff. The (new) “classic” hits from p83 that that board talks about.

In the layered mixes I used it in:

A heavy social/party mix/bar mix - forward momentum and aggression. Heavy disinhibition. Touching, physical contact. Rudeness. Bluntness. Get “things” done. Sexual overtones.

An emotional bonding mix - horrendous! Irritation, aggression, confusion. sharper reactions and an “on edge” feeling. Guarded and wary, waiting to strike. I thought at the time that me reactions were similar to when TAL grabs me, running wild with in-your-face aggression and attitude.

Thanks for your explanations. That really made a lightbulb go off (on?) in my head.

You’re welcome! This exactly my experience as well.

@Tigerlilly

I guess this is one of those molecules that can really change the direction of a mix, quick like. It would be interesting to do a meta-analysis of the boards reactions with it, alone and in mixes.

nods head

@Tigerlilly

Hmmm… I’ve never had an amphetamine like reaction to p86. I do get the “classic” airbrushing effect though. I would bet serious, serious money on p86 being in IS/a (and possibly b). I sprayed a coworker with is/a one day and literally watched her get airbrushed in front of me, just like p86 does. She went from looking rough, tired, and old looking to shiny, buffed, and glowing. In about 3 minutes. In front of me. My jaw dropped when I realized what was happening.

I find it has an airbrushing, softening quality, quite opposite of the TAF visual effect I get. With TAF, I can see each tree leaf, each blade of grass. With P86, i see a lush field of green, and a swaying, warm tree.

I like it enough to use it a lot.

At super low doses I get what you get, and I’ve used it a few times for its visual components in going out romance mixes. But I have to be careful. I’m super ADD and the visual stimulation can really quickly overwhelm me. At that point I also have the mild amphetamine-like responses. I also get some aural stimulation with it that really adds another distraction factor that makes it hard for me to function.

In my normal, non-phero state, I’m already too aware of details. For someone who isn’t ADD adding TAF or TAA or P86 gives a little glimpse of what it is like to be ADD. TAF works kind of paradoxically for me in that it lowers the amount of stimulation coming in and allows me to concentrate. The others, though, only add to what is already there.

@Tigerlilly

I haven’t played much with the other p8_'s though, aside from 83 and 87. Any others worth trying? I heard 88 is very similar to 87. I do want to try 80. What is your does with that, both alone or in a mix? How does your hubby react to you with that on?

Did you ever kick anyone down a bottomless pit with it on?

P80 is awesome. Wearing it alone is like putting on the body, mind, and spirit of an Amazon or Spartan. You become the Dragon Slayer. It has a Truth and Justice component to it and a righteousness that is really pure. Along with that is the desire and will to defend what is right and good and true.

In mixes, all that is sublimated, and you get a lowering of the excitement threshold. So, things excite you more easily. In a mix it adds youth and a zest for experience. Physically, it is pretty awesome. As I’ve been aging I’ve noticed that it takes a lot more to get me really revved up. My heartrate doesn’t go up as much or as quickly and I don’t get that take-your-breath-away excited feeling I remember so well from when I was younger. P80 in a mix gives that back and more. It makes the slightest touches extremely pleasurable. It is my diamond find in the putatives.

I’ve never had the desire to kick anyone down a well while wearing P80. It is more of a protective and willingness to fight if there is a need, without giving any unnecessary or unwanted aggressiveness. However, if someone showed up threatening my family while I was wearing P80 and there was a well handy… And yes, it is that powerful.

This is definitely the anti-pissiness putative. It is uber masculine, uber respectful, uber powerful, and foundational.

Doses - I started really low and then worked my way up. I got the above effects from as little as 2.5 mcg. I’ve worn up to 20 or 25 mcg and I haven’t had a bad reaction yet. In my mixes, the final dosage applied is usually around 10.0 mcg.

My husband responds to my mixes (they are kinda complex) with P80 in them by becoming very aggressive in bed. It never translates to out of bed, er… hasn’t so far.

The nice thing about this molecule is that in my experience there really is no unwarranted aggressiveness attached to it… only what is appropriate for the situation. I like that about it.

Diane

[Tigerlilly]

I’m testing TAH today - I am determined to find answers to this phero! I am specifically looking at how it effects others around me, and their reactions to me on TAH.

Wearing: TAH - 50mcg & p86 25mcg

This am, we had a our weekly staff meeting. These are normally perfunctory events, a quick check in, in and out in 10-20 minutes, max. Today, we all spent an hour, catching up with everyone’s life, listening intently, loving each minute and having a blast. We really bonded as a staff this am. It was great.

Individually -

The Pastor, (my close friend who loves TAL) was not so into me with TAH. He was shorter with me. There wasn’t the flirty connection we have normally. We are in NO way into each other, but we definitely have a flirty interaction. I generally dominate him and subdue/abuse him, he pouts, and I make it up with backhand compliments. That’s our interaction. We really are great friends.

With TAH, he was the one leading the way. I was just smiling and pleasant, which threw him for a loop, I think. He wasn’t disrespectful, but there was something missing from our interactions that is always there. A spark was gone. He went from coming up to me with a teasing glint in his eye (‘what’s the game today going to be?’) to looking at me and dismissing me almost out of hand.

This man was my first ever phero hit. I wore IS/a around him, and he went wild. Followed me like a puppy. Took me to lunch. Smiled and basked in my aura. Had to be dragged physically away from me.

The disparity between TAL and TAH with him is striking.

His actions in the staff meeting were interesting too. he came in late, so wasn’t a part of the full vibing that was going on. Also when he came in, he focused the entire discussion onto him. He generally always does that, but this time was pretty blatant and intense.

Another coworker clearly liked the TAH and vibed off the peaceful groovy feelings. He’s an older, calm, laid back guy - with a firecracker for a wife. She’s 20 years younger, and they have a great, great relationship. Best friends, one young daughter. He’s like the wise old man with the wild, but insanely loyal, rebellious younger wife. He was digging the peaceful/happy vibe. Was smiling a ton.

A female coworker has been happy and smiling with everybody else, EXCEPT me today. I am smiling and being pleasant towards her, and really, couldn’t much care. I think i am still under the TAH influence as I type this…

I’ve been wearing these for 7 hours now. We’ll see what happens later. I am curious to see if the TAH resurges in 3-4 hours as it seems wont to do…

[Tigerlilly]

Fcuk Me! My Gay-Dar is so hideously broken!!!

Another email from The Most Confusing Gay-Straight Man Ever:

“…really looking forward to meeting up with you this week… been looking through the live music scene, and just wanted to get a feel for what days are good for you…weekends okay?..”

“…let me know all about your trip! I want to hear about the craziness that happened two saturdays ago too!..”

“…once again, so glad we like the same scene and music, and am really looking forward to seeing you again…”

If only I got this kind of attention from Medic McSteamy Muscles!! (“Him”- since ya’ll have figured out his industry now, I can use his nickname here… I give everyone nicknames. Means I like ya! )

So who wants to start bets on what’s really going on?

I for one, highly doubt that he is straight. I doubt this is a “date”… as much as it sounds like one… more and more…

Anyone else???

[Tigerlilly]

@Tigerlilly

I’m testing TAH today - I am determined to find answers to this phero! I am specifically looking at how it effects others around me, and their reactions to me on TAH.

Wearing: TAH - 50mcg & p86 25mcg

This am, we had a our weekly staff meeting. These are normally perfunctory events, a quick check in, in and out in 10-20 minutes, max. Today, we all spent an hour, catching up with everyone’s life, listening intently, loving each minute and having a blast. We really bonded as a staff this am. It was great.

Individually -

The Pastor, (my close friend who loves TAL) was not so into me with TAH. He was shorter with me. There wasn’t the flirty connection we have normally. We are in NO way into each other, but we definitely have a flirty interaction. I generally dominate him and subdue/abuse him, he pouts, and I make it up with backhand compliments. That’s our interaction. We really are great friends.

With TAH, he was the one leading the way. I was just smiling and pleasant, which threw him for a loop, I think. He wasn’t disrespectful, but there was something missing from our interactions that is always there. A spark was gone. He went from coming up to me with a teasing glint in his eye (‘what’s the game today going to be?’) to looking at me and dismissing me almost out of hand.

This man was my first ever phero hit. I wore IS/a around him, and he went wild. Followed me like a puppy. Took me to lunch. Smiled and basked in my aura. Had to be dragged physically away from me.

The disparity between TAL and TAH with him is striking.

His actions in the staff meeting were interesting too. he came in late, so wasn’t a part of the full vibing that was going on. Also when he came in, he focused the entire discussion onto him. He generally always does that, but this time was pretty blatant and intense.

Another coworker clearly liked the TAH and vibed off the peaceful groovy feelings. He’s an older, calm, laid back guy - with a firecracker for a wife. She’s 20 years younger, and they have a great, great relationship. Best friends, one young daughter. He’s like the wise old man with the wild, but insanely loyal, rebellious younger wife. He was digging the peaceful/happy vibe. Was smiling a ton.

A female coworker has been happy and smiling with everybody else, EXCEPT me today. I am smiling and being pleasant towards her, and really, couldn’t much care. I think i am still under the TAH influence as I type this…

I’ve been wearing these for 7 hours now. We’ll see what happens later. I am curious to see if the TAH resurges in 3-4 hours as it seems wont to do…

Well, no “aging” effect. They seemed to really go away at noon actually, which is par for the course for my normal range. Aprox 4-5 hours. Must have been responding to situational happiness at the time.

I wonder if the “aging” effect, or a neurotransmitter cascade only happens at high doses? Lor, you were wearing a pretty high dosage that time you commented on it, correct? I generally wear 67+mcg of TAH when I wear it, but I am near the end of my bottle, so I was being conservative until my new bottle gets here.

I know for sure that the TAH wore off, because The Pastor and I went back to our normal interactions. I started to insult and abuse him, and he came back with a mental trap that had me admitting that gasp he was right.

He made me put it in writing.

Then he photocopied it 50 times and wallpapered my office with it.

That’s us normally.

(Wonder what would have happened with TAL? He’s such a responder to TAL, but no one else is, so I have to want to play with him when I wear it.)

[Lor]

Then he photocopied it 50 times and wallpapered my office with it.

That’s us normally.

heh heh heh

I wonder if the “aging” effect, or a neurotransmitter cascade only happens at high doses? Lor, you were wearing a pretty high dosage that time you commented on it, correct? I generally wear 67+mcg of TAH when I wear it, but I am near the end of my bottle, so I was being conservative until my new bottle gets here.

i dont know that it happens every time, but i know in airconditioning and very little sweating it likes to hang out for a good long while

This is definitely the anti-pissiness putative. It is uber masculine, uber respectful, uber powerful, and foundational.

Doses - I started really low and then worked my way up. I got the above effects from as little as 2.5 mcg. I’ve worn up to 20 or 25 mcg and I haven’t had a bad reaction yet. In my mixes, the final dosage applied is usually around 10.0 mcg.

My husband responds to my mixes (they are kinda complex) with P80 in them by becoming very aggressive in bed. It never translates to out of bed, er… hasn’t so far.

The nice thing about this molecule is that in my experience there really is no unwarranted aggressiveness attached to it… only what is appropriate for the situation. I like that about it.

Diane you are making me want to revisit this P so bad.

it sounds very similar to 'rone, with a 'none slant on it.

oooh im liking this journal as much as my own…

[diane999]

@Lor

heh heh heh

i dont know that it happens every time, but i know in airconditioning and very little sweating it likes to hang out for a good long while

Diane you are making me want to revisit this P so bad.

it sounds very similar to 'rone, with a 'none slant on it.

oooh im liking this journal as much as my own…

No, this is the Alpha Male side of Androsterone… not none-like at all. It even smells very similar to Androsterone, light mellon, very clean, unlike Androstenone which smells like cat pissed baked for four days.

Take P80 and P91… experiment until you get the ratios right = Androsterone.

Diane

[Tigerlilly]

@Lor

@Tigerlilly

I wonder if the “aging” effect, or a neurotransmitter cascade only happens at high doses? Lor, you were wearing a pretty high dosage that time you commented on it, correct? I generally wear 67+mcg of TAH when I wear it, but I am near the end of my bottle, so I was being conservative until my new bottle gets here.

i dont know that it happens every time, but i know in airconditioning and very little sweating it likes to hang out for a good long while

Hmmm… maybe I am not explaining myself very well…

At high TAH (67+mcg) doses, I get an enlightened, hippy, happy, loving, peaceful, vibe - here on known as “Falling in Love” vibe. That lasts, and lasts, and lasts… and lasts. I stay in that frame for ages. People respond to me in that frame for ages. My best hits are at least 7 hours after application. Thats WAY outside my norm for pheros lasting on me.

Wearing 50mcg or less, I get a happy, loving, peaceful vibe, but it doesn’t last. It wears off at the same duration as my other pheros. I didn’t have a lasting “falling in love” vibe, and the intensity of that vibe wasn’t the same either. I didn’t get any TAH responsive hits after the phero seemed to wear off.

[Tigerlilly]

@diane999

It even smells very similar to Androsterone, light mellon, very clean, unlike Androstenone which smells like cat pissed baked for four days.

I am always amazed when you two can smell these things… My nose is next to worthless. I can’t smell any of the pheros. Just the carrier scents.

[Tigerlilly]

Okay… seriously… Mr. Gay/Straight Confusion is now Medic McRainbow Abs…

I sent an email explaining “what happened” on that Saturday. He sent one back right away saying that he was a Medic before he was what he is now. (Not a medic - my industry) He was very, very impressed. “…you are so awesome… I knew there was something special about you. …”

He also wants to cancel his plans for Thursday because that’s the only real evening I am open and available this week to meet up. he really wants to see me…

Hmm… so he’s either palling around and being very Buddy-Buddy right away, and totally, totally gay…

or

???

Bets, anyone?!?

[Lor]

@Tigerlilly

Hmmm… maybe I am not explaining myself very well…

At high TAH (67+mcg) doses, I get an enlightened, hippy, happy, loving, peaceful, vibe - here on known as “Falling in Love” vibe. That lasts, and lasts, and lasts… and lasts. I stay in that frame for ages. People respond to me in that frame for ages. My best hits are at least 7 hours after application. Thats WAY outside my norm for pheros lasting on me.

Wearing 50mcg or less, I get a happy, loving, peaceful vibe, but it doesn’t last. It wears off at the same duration as my other pheros. I didn’t have a lasting “falling in love” vibe, and the intensity of that vibe wasn’t the same either. I didn’t get any TAH responsive hits after the phero seemed to wear off.

then i can confirm that its the higher doses helping that vibe stay the next day.
i rarely use
(although i post that i start with around 40mu)
less than 60 mu of TAH.

the reason i have always gone high is because back in the day when we first started playing with TAH,
Jasmin posted her first trial using * i think* 60mu to start.
i remember it was high,because i always start low and thought
wow! this is a great starting point!

i did find however,
that you dont need to go this high for results.

high is fun though.
love it.

[Lor]

i have instant gentleman (which is 'rone dominant)
and i will use it tonight with TAH.

we shall see how this turns out lol.

maybe i will ask Tommy Fever to join me in this effort,
he will have the male version of experiment lol