Hey man, it takes a big man to realize there is a problem. It gives you the opportunity to fix what’s going wrong and come out a better person.
Did I find my sweetspot or am I delusional?
I just got home and the sun is already coming up. I might as well make it an all nighter and post my results from tonight before I forget them. If anyone reads this, excuse my spelling and grammer. I am a bit drunk and tired.
Tonight I wore the following Pheromones:
1 Spray of Instant Jerk to my Throat
1 Spray of TUTH to my stomach
1 drop of A314 to my wrist and rubbed it all over both wrists
(No socials because I am convinced they weaken the -none based products in a clubbing situation.)
Other Factors
- Intense Cardio workout 4 hours before I went out
- 3X200 mg Nodoz spaced an hour apart before I went out
- I just got my best dressy casual shoes shined at the local shoe repair place, brand new slim fit JCrew Jeans, and a brand new fitted T-Shirt that was classy. I felt like I was looking good tonight.
Summary
There were several possible hits but most of them might not be a pheromone hit on their own. But I’m sure the pheromones had an effect due to the sheer number of possible hits this evening. I’ve never had so many possible hits like this before I started wearing pheromones. But most of them were subtle on their own. I was a pussy again and I didn’t take advantage due to self doubt.
I decided to take the subway that is further from my apartment because the station is an elevated station and the underground stations get really hot during the summer. I did confident power walk that I do sometimes to boost my state. I was also thinking that my horrible Friday night was the result of not breathing enough due to anxiety. My theory is that as I felt anxious, I started breathing less which had the effect of lessening my feeling of anxiety but made me incoherent. So I was focusing on my breathing tonight.
Between my walk to the subway station, the subway platform, and the train itself at least 4 or 5 girls made eye contact with me. Again, I not sure if it’s because more girls are actually making eye contact with me or if it’s due to my increased awareness from the -none.
Anyway, I go to this underground club with a big bar in the middle. (It’s underground meaning a long stairway leading deep in the ground just in case there is some confusion about this.)
I get in an the place is absolutely packed. I make a lap around the place which is very difficult due to the large number of people in the place. I face the bar to get the drink.
I get my first possible hit. This girl walks by me and she shoves her breasts into my back and and drags them along the width of my back. Then she touches me one more time before she moves on her way. I’m thinking at first that the place was crowded so maybe it was incidental contact. But the more I think about it, it was totally unnecessary for her to make that much contact with her breasts into my back so I pretty sure it was deliberate but I’m not 100% sure. If it was deliberate, did she want me to talk to her? I don’t know. I didn’t get a good look at her either so I couldn’t identify her later.
I see an opening in the bar behind a large fake tree. So I take the spot in the corner and chill for a while. I know from experience that if I stand at the corner of a bar for a while, sometimes a girl will approach me but not too often.
So, I’m just standing there at the corner of the bar listening to the music and I start to daydreaming. I’m an intense daydreamer so I go into fantasy land and forget where I am. All of a sudden, there is a cute blond sanding in front of me looking at me. I’m a bit startled. She holds up her beer to me so I stupidly assume that she wants me to open it so I reach for it and she pulls it back (it’s already open of course). She points to my drink and apparently she wants to clink drinks with me so I do that. Then she lingers for a few seconds and I’m like a deer in headlights so she ejects. F#$k, I was not ready for that one.
Then a few minutes later, a somewhat chubby but cute girl is standing next to me with a group of other people. I catch her taking a sidelong glance at me to I open her. The conversation lasts for a couple of minutes but her group pulls her back in. Before I can reopen her, the staff moves me aside because someone purchased a hookah and they needed the space for that.
Then a girl stands next to me and her bare arm is touching my bare arm. Her arm is touching my arm for a solid 15 or 20 seconds. She is really hot and way out of my league so I’m wondering if she is aware that her arm is touching my arm. Then I’m thinking that I’m pretty oblivious and if I know that our arms are touching, she must know too. Then I wonder if she moved that close to me because it was crowded or if this was really a hit. Then I’m thinking that it wasn’t that crowded for her to maintain contact with my arm for that long period of time. Then our course she breaks contact. Then her group (4 really hot women in their early 30s) hang out next to me for about 30 minutes. I see her look my was a few more times but I coudn’t tell for sure if she was looking my way or not. During the next 30 minutes several guys approach them and they all get shot down so I figure I don’t have a chance. Then they left the place.
So I sit at the spot for another 30 minuets and there are no more hits. At this point it’s like 1:30 AM and I decided to stay at this place till closing which is at 4AM in NYC. The place is a little less crowded so I go the dance floor and I start dancing. The rest of the night is a blur.
Several women bumped into me while dancing. I don’t know which onces where hits and which ones were accidents. It’s so hard to tell. Around 3:30 AM when it was no longer crowded women were still walking into me so I’m more confident those were hits because I’m not invisible and there was plenty of room to get by me without bumping into me.
There were a quite a few instances where a woman would stand right in front of me without out making eye contact for no good reason. I would wonder if this was proximity alert but before I could finish analyzing the situation, she would walk away. It’s possible that they just stopped in front of me due to chance but I’m not invisible either. This is a tough one.
There were also quite a few instances where a woman would make a sideways glance at me and then dance right in front of me occasionally bumping into me
as they danced. Again, I’m not sure if this was accidental or not.
There were a few instances where I’d pick a spot on the dance floor and just dance. Next thing I know, I’m surrounded by girls. Now did they surround me just because that was the only empty space near by or was this a pheromone hit? Impossible to know.
There was one girl in particular with medium length black hair that gave me a sidelong look. I actually caught her looking at me like five times. She bumped into me a few times and I didn’t really know what do do. (I don’t know dance floor game but I better learn it soon.) Our bodies kept on touching each other as we danced and I was 75% sure she was doing that on purpose. Then a guy game over and puller her towards him so she started dancing with him. Then a girl behind be started to bump me and made contact with me a couple of times. I saw her look to the side sort of but I wasn’t sure it is was a sidelong glance towards me. But at this point I was right near the speakers and my ears were hurting so I went to the bathroom.
Then I moved to a quieter area of the bar and started dancing but I felt like fool because no one else was dancing there. Then I made my way around the bar back to another section of the dance floor. I saw a girl look at me but she was in a tight circle formation with her friends. How the heck am I supposed to approach with her in that formation?
Next thing I know, the girl with short medium length black hair is dancing right next to me again and bumping into me. Then there is a girl to the right bumping into me as well. So I have two girls each bumping one side of me as they dance. Then next thing I know the girl with the short medium black hair starts grinding one of her female friends so she is no longer in my proximity. Then another woman leans against my shoulder and is leaning against me like someone would lean against a tree. I start wondering if this is a hit but after just about 5 seconds of this she retreats away from me.
Then the girl with the short black hair in bumping into me again. So I hold her shoulders and start dancing with her. I start grinding her a bit and she pushes against me for a little while. Then all of a sudden she looks at her friend and they walk away. I don’t see her for the rest of the night. I guess I mishandled that situation but I really don’t know what to do with a woman on the dance floor. I can barley dance myself.
As I’m dancing this girl walks by and squeezes my arm as she walks by. Then I start wondering if this is a hit. Maybe she was just trying to get by me. But I’ve had many women walk by me before and they usually don’t grab my arm like that.
Then I notice an Asian girl give me a sideways glance and then start dancing in front of me. I’m wondering why girls always face away from the guy after an IOI? Maybe I’m just imaging it but she dancing awfully close to me for it to be a coincidence. But I notice some women just walk up to random guys and put their arms around them but that wasn’t happening to me. I don’t know what to make of it.
It’s about 3AM at this point and this is where it really gets strange. I notice two really hot women standing uncomfortable close to me facing me but they never look at me. Then a third girl squeezes by me and is standing right next to me with the other two girls. The three of then are standing uncomfortably close to me but they are way out of my league so I’m wondering what their purpose it. They aren’t dancing or doing anything. So I walk away and get a drink at the bar.
Then I see a petite girl with a revealing outfit sneak a glance at me. Then her and her friend dance right in front of me and her friend bumps into me as they are dancing. But then they move away from me. Then as I’m standing there I see the three hot out-of-my-league girls walk by me and they go to the bar. After a few minutes a return to the dance floor.
I look to my side and I see another girl in a sparkly outfit standing near me. Then a guy asks her to dance she she starts dancing with him. She bumps into me as she is dancing with him so I move to move to the side. She bumps into me again as she is dancing with him and I caught her looking at me. Strange.
Then another couple is dancing and the girl bumps into me as they are dancing. I move to another area of the dance floor and she bumps into me again. Is this a coincidence or is something strange going on?
Then the next thing I know, the three hot out-of-my league girls are standing next to me. The get into a really strange formation. I standing there and all three of them are facing me but the way they are aligned, it’s like we are the four sides of a square. It’s almost like they were including me in their group but I didn’t catch any of them looking at me so I thought this was quite bizarre. So after few minutes of them just standing there facing me, they move to another area of the dance floor.
So I continue dancing and I’m all of a sudden surrounded by women again with two of them bumping into me. I’m not sure if this is accidental or not. But after a few minutes they migrate away and I’m dancing alone again.
Then all of a sudden, the three out-of-my-league girls are standing right next to me in the exact formation again but again I don’t catch them looking at me. Then one of them goes to the bar. So there are to of them standing right near me facing me and doing nothing else.
Then all of a sudden, one of them moves towards me and bumps into me. I’m a bit surprised and I look at her. She apologizes for bumping into me and and moves away. At this moment, I think the unthinkable. Could these out-of-my-league girls think I’m out of their league? I have been working out and have improved by body. Plus the pheromone combo was working well. So I concluded that it’s unlikely that they thought I’m out of their league. I’ve never been good with women so that would be pretty much impossible.
A couple of minutes later the out-of-my-league girls retreat to the bar. All of a sudden I see the petite girl with the revealing dress dancing in front of me with her friend but she never looks at me. Then her friend runs away. She just stands there right in front of me and yells to her friend to come back. So her friend comes back and they both start dancing in front of me again. Then her friend runs away and she is standing withing a foot of me and doesn’t budge. She yells to her fiend to come back so her friend comes back and they start dancing in front of me again. Then after a couple of minutes, they disappear and I’m dancing alone again.
It is now about 3:50 AM and there is no one within 6 feet of me and all of a sudden I feel someone bump into me and they walk by. It was a waitress at the bar and and she looks back and gives me a flirty look. At first I feel like I did something wrong by getting in her way. But then I thought about the possibility that she actually was hitting on me. I have never been hit on by a waitress at the bar before so I was a bit doubtful. But now that I think about it, I should have walked up to her and struck up a conversation.
So 4AM rolls around and the bar closes. I walk by the out-of-my-league girls who were just standing at the bar area facing each other and doing nothing. I pussy out and don’t approach. I just go home. Now I just finished writing the field report and it’s 6:30AM.
I’m sure I’m missing some of the potential hits because there were so many. In any case, I love this combo of pheromones. I hope I get similar results in the future and I have to learn to take advantage of the hits and not be such a pussy. Too late to check the post for grammer. F#$k it.
You seem like a really smart guy. I can tell you have studied pickup or seduction, as you use some of the terminology. What I find is that a lot of men study pickup, and it actually impedes them. The point of all the learning is to become independent, to become self taught. For example, I could tell you that in dancefloor game, a great gambit is to go like you want to shake hands with the girl, and then spin her around in a circle. That just breaks the ice. It’s up to you to use your creativity, your intellect or your style to make it work exclusively for you.
A self-sabotaging, defeatist, submissive mind will produce defeat, sabotage and domination from others in a social venue like the one you went to last night. By being aware of what is going on internally, you can see results externally. It seems like a great club you went to and the women were all around you like low hanging fruit. Congratulations on having the courage to go out alone!!! A wingman might assist you greatly. They don’t need to know about pheromones either.
A great blog I recommend for you is Personal Development - UrbanMonk.Net
One last observation from my experience:
Nothing is out of my league. After all, are we not playing the same game on the same field?
You are right, I studied seduction for several years and up to a couple of years ago I read almost every ebook that came out. The seduction stuff made my success with women get worse, not better. So I abandoned it and I’ve been trying to teach myself to just operate on instincts with women without using any techniques at all. This sometimes works but at other times it makes me freeze up. Occassionally I’ll get into the zone and become very good with women knowing exactly what to say and do but that is still somewhat rare at this point.
You are right about the self-sabotaging defeatist mind. I know for a fact that the pheromones were giving me more opportunities than unusual last night but I just didn’t have the confidence level to take advantage. Frankly, I’m used to being ignored by women 99% of the time and just occasionally I’ll find one who really likes me. Last night was definitely unreal.
Thanks for the link. Looks like there are many good articles in it.
Definately Narrowing in on my Sweet Spot
Tonight I went out with the following:
1 Drop of A314 Applied to my wrists
1 Spray of Instant Jerk to my Throat
Before I go into the field report, I’m going to summarize my findings so far:
- -none products (Instant Jerk and TUTH) rule for me. They make people want to talk to me and socialize with me. Without pheromones, people (including friends and family) react to me like I’m low status even though they don’t mean to. But with -none, I really feel like people respect me respect and people definitely don’t treat me like a low status loser any more. Therefore -none will always be a part of my mix.
- Androstenol (Alpha & Beta) - The socials seem to make other straight guys talk to me much more than usual. I had several instances where men talked my ear off while wearing socials and that almost never happens without pheromones. Androstenol seems to have no effect on women for me. For some bizarre reason, it seems like the -none products make women want to talk to me, not Androstenol based products. Androstenol based products reduce the number of hits when I go clubbing with -none based products so it seems like it has a weakening effect. But I will definitely spray on Adrostenol based products when I’m in situations where I want to socialize with other guys.
- A314 - This in the only Androsterone based product I have tried. Worn alone, this product really doesn’t do much for me. But this product seems to magnify the effect of Instant Jerk. When I wear Instant Jerk or TUTH unbuffered, I definitely get more hits from women than without pheromones. The A314 + Instant Jerk combo is absolutely golden for me.
The A314 + Instant Jerk combo works so well for me, I will be gravely upset if either of these products are discontinued. I had two nights with this combo (one of the nights I also had TUTH) and the amount of hits I got was far more then I ever had over any 2 night period. F#*king amazing. If this combo continues to work for me as well as it did the last two nights I went out with it, my social life will be absolutely amazing.
So, as I mentioned before, I sprayed on the following before I went out.
1 Drop of A314 Applied to my wrists
1 Spray of Instant Jerk to my Throat
In addition to the pheromones, the other factors that may have effected results were:
- 3 Nodoz during the day
- Lifted weights at gym (medium intensity workout)
I first go to an upscale club that had a Wednesday party night advertised by a promoter. No hits on either of the subways or subway platform on the way to the club.
I get in the club and the person at the door had not idea who the promoter was that I mentioned. Turns out that it was an old add that a stupid promoter set up to be shown every week. The event doesn’t happen any more but the stupid promoter never took the recurring ad down.
Anyway, I go inside and I notice it’s almost all men. I observe the crowd for a couple of minutes and I realize that it’s a gay event. I realize that this is not an ideal place to test the pheromones so I left. For the record, the pheromone mix did not result in any hits from any gay men. And I do get hit on gay men from time to time because I have some feminine mannerisms which makes some people think I’m gay.
So I shoot up to another area of Manhattan where I saw an 80s party advertised. The bar had a decent crowd, yet there was room to sit at the bar. It looked like a neighboorhood crowd so I decided to just sit at the bar and have a drink. So I ordered a drink. There was a mirror behind the bar so I could observe the crowd without turning around. Sweet!
Within two minutes after I sat down, this young Asian girl brushes my arm with her arm as she goes up to the bar. I’m not sure if it was an accident or not but the barstool to my left was empty so there was plenty of room. Then she gets the drinks she ordered and she brushes against me against as she walks away. Two accidental touches are unlikely so I categorized it as a hit but I froze and didn’t act on it. I’m still being a pussy.
Then a minute later, a girl squeezes to the bar to my right and shoves her breasts into me. Then she pushes her butt into me. There was not a lot of room there so it might have been incidental. But she could have easily gone to the bar to my left. So, I think this was a hit. But I froze again.
Then I see this girl stand next to me and start dancing. I watch her dance in the mirror and she never looks at me. But after a few minutes, she taps me on the shoulder and says “Hi” really shyly and looks away. So I’m looking at her and she looks at me again making brief eye contact with me but then looks away shyly again.
Holy F#$k. Another instance where a nice looking woman is intiminidated by me. This has happened two nights in a row and this only happened once in my entire life before pheromones. Instant Jerk + A314 is in fact gold!
As soon as I realize that she is intiminidated by me, I all of a sudden felt confident and started talking to her a bit. As I talked to her she kept on touching my shoulder and arm. So I made a few mildly sexually provocative statements to her. She looks away shyly for several seconds. The she looks at me, and moves in for the kiss.
It’s late and I have to work tomorrow so I’m not going to go into any more details. I didn’t go home with her because she was with friends and she started to get too drunk. (For some reason, drunk girls really annoy me and turn me off. I think it’s because I’ve had some girlfriends in the past who got drunk all the time and I hated that.) Even if I had wanted to go home with her, her friends would have cockblocked me. Plus there were guys in the group that seemed to know her. They bought me a shot at some point which I really didn’t want but I kind of felt obligated to drink.
Before I left, the girl kept on telling me to drink my drink. In the past, women have done that when they realize that I’m somewhat uptight and when they want me to loosen up. So I wonder if I was coming across as uptight.
Anyway, I said goodbye to the girl and her group and I went home. She actually seemed to get pissed at me when I told her that I was leaving. Oh well.
Hey man, here is something that might help you.
Before I found out about mones I was a virgin just out of high school. Now, only about a year later I’m in college, I’ve been with.4 girls who my friends rated 8-10’s. They weren’t unnattractive. There is something you need to know. Leagues don’t exist. They exist when you let them exist. Really.
LOL…thats a cute story metalTree.
Did you get her phone number?
She may have been pissed because her one night stand got away! 
I didn’t ask for her number. By the time I had left, she had become way too drunk to go home with and she was still pounding the drinks. She probably would have just passed out or puked if I had gone home with her and I really didn’t want to deal with anything like that. So I went home and wrote a field report instead. hehe
Would you say this happened because you became self-conscious about what you were doing vs what you were supposed to be doing according to the Gurus?
Something like that happened. The more I studied, the more I started to think about what I was doing and what I should be doing when I was with women or out socializing. That really worsened my results with women. I’m at my best when I hit a flow and when my instincts turn on. They never turned on when I did PUA stuff.
Secondly, I’m not a very good talker but I am a good listener. Most PUA techniques involve a lot of talking. I suck at talking to people, even with my close friends and family. I realized that if I can’t tell a story to my close friends, family, or work colleagues without their eyes glazing over, how the heck am I going to tell a story to a woman I just met. My voice tends to put people to sleep including my close friends and family.
I studied with acting coaches and speech experts to try to improve my talking ability and I have improved but I still never became a great talker. On the other hand, my soft voice has been an asset from time to time with some women though.
Anyway, I discovered that the more I talk the worse I do with women. But the less I talk, the better I do with woman. My strategy now to find women who like to talk and let them talk as much as possible. I’m a naturally curious person and once a woman starts to talk a lot things I am interested in seem to pop up. Then I can ask them questions about the topics they brought up. This works from time to time. 
Plan for tonight
My sweet spot mix is Instant Jerk + A314. I previously had good results with 2 sprays of TUTH unbuffered to my stomach in clubs before I started this journal.
Tonight I’m going to two sprays of TUTH to my neck and drop of A314 to my wrists and see if this combo works without any Instant jerk.
I think the jerk has 12.5mcg of -none and 2.5 mcg of couplins. Two sprays of TUTH will have 5mcg of -none but steering molecules to intensify the -none.
I still have no idea what these steering molecules do but I really just want to find out if TUTH + A314 is as effective as IJ + A314 in the field.
TUTH is good but not as powerful as Instant Jerk
Last night I wore the following pheromones:
2 Sprays of TUTH to my neck
1 drop of A314 and rubbed it between my wrists
Other factors that might affect results:
3 nodoz yesterday
Cardio workout about 8 hours before I went out
Summary
2 Sprays of TUTH with a drop of A314 is a pretty good combo but it doesn’t seem as powerful as IJ + A314 + TUTH. Of course there are other factors that could have skewed the results including the fact that I was at different bars each day I wore each combo. What I am sure about is that I definitely get wore hits with each of these combos than when I go out pheromone free. There is no question about this.
So far, one preliminary conclusion I’m making is that Instant Jerk is better for meeting women at bars/clubs than TUTH but both are pretty good. I don’t know if IJ is better because it has a higher -none concentration or because it has couplins.
I take the subway to the Flatiron district. I had a couple of hits on the subway train. I caught the girl facing me sitting directly in front of me looking at me a few times. Every time our eyes met, she looked away. Then there was a really young woman (very early 20s) sitting to my right. I look over at one point and she is staring at me. I get nervous and look away. Something compels me to look over again and she is staring at me again. I get uncomfortable and I don’t look over again. I’ve always had problems with eye contact with strangers. It gives me tons of anxiety.
So, last night I go to this bar that I went to a couple of years ago. A couple of years ago it was a regular hangout bar filled with hot women and the drinks weren’t that expensive. Last night it had freaking velvet ropes and they were charging 10$ to get in. The drinks were really expensive as well and there is a dance floor area now. So I paid my $10 bucks to get in and paid another $10 for well vodka/seltzer + tip. The crowd wasn’t as good as last time either. The bar was about 65% guys 35% women.
So I walk into the bar and order my drink. I stand at that spot at the bar for about 5 minutes and there are no hits. I see another area of the bar that has more space so I relocate to that area.
So I’m standing there at the bar looking at the area above the bar where some crude paintings were painted directly on the wall. This girl stands right next to me to order a drink and I feel her hair touching me as she stands next to me. Then her arm touches mine briefly. Then this guy comes next to her and starts talking to her so I assume they are together. Yet as they are talking, her arm touches my arm at least 5 or 6 other times. Then the guy pays for his drink first and leaves and she pays for her drink and leaves. They left at different moments so I’m not so sure they are a couple anymore. This might have been a pheromone hit. I don’t know for sure.
Anyway, I spot an open seat at another area of the bar so I sit down and start watching the tennis match on a widescreen tv. A few minutes later, there are a whole bunch of girls on both sides of me trying to order drinks. So I’m in their way so I decided to get up and leave the bar. One of them gives me strong eye contact but I didn’t do anything about it.
So I follow a pattern of picking one spot and standing there for a few minutes waiting for a hit. Then move to another area and repeat the process. The idea here is for my pheromone cloud to reach a nearby woman and then have her give me an approach invitation. The only unusual thing that happened was there was this girl dancing about 7 feet (2 meters) away in front of a guy. All of a sudden she lunges towards me and bumps into me. She looks at me, apologizes, and returns to where she was dancing again. IS this a pheromone hit? I don’t know.
At another point, I was walking across and I see this girl looking at me as I’m walking towards her. As I start to walk by her, her neck turns so she can maintain eye contact and it doesn’t break until I’m behind her. Now this is as close to a 100% confirmed approach invitation that I can think of so I back track and open her. She immediately starts dancing and grinding me. When she is facing away, she uses her arms to expertly guide by arms closer to her body so I’m actually touching her body as we are dancing. She starts grinding into me a little harder. But then I kind of stop touching her and just dance more normally as I try to figure out what to do next. But after a few minutes of this she gets bored and politely ejects.
I start dancing on the dance floor for about 10 or 15 minutes. I pick 3 different spots and I don’t get any hits. There are many people standing around the dance floor not really dancing so I do the same. I just stand there in the middle of the dance floor for about 10 minutes.
At one point, this girl stands directly behind me, back-to-back with her butt touching my butt and her back touching my back. This seems kind of strange to me. I turn around to get a look at her and she really isn’t my type. She lingers for about 20 seconds after I turn around and then leaves. At this point it occurs to me that she was putting herself on the line and opening herself up for rejection just like men do. I should have just given her some sort of compliment but I will do that next time.
Anyway, the place is mostly guys so I get the heck out of there. I have a free pass to multi level bar with a roof deck that I was at the previous Thursday. So I get there and order a drink at the bar. As I’m standing there, this bachelorette party comes in and the congregate directly in front of me. I don’t think this is a pheromone hit because I think their location to stand was a coincidence. But there is no way to know for sure.
Then the female promoter who gave me the free pass last Thursday comes over and starts talking to me. She clearly is acting like she is excited to see me. If I believed in the PUA concept of “Social Proof” this would be a great social proof hit in front of the bachelorette party. But I don’t believe social proof is as important as many PUA gurus think it is. The bachelorette party walks upstairs to the roofdeck. A couple minutes later they come back down and then they leave. They probably didn’t like the scene at this place. It wasn’t a great scene. I stand at the bar for another 10 minutes and there are no hits.
I decide to go to the roof and I pick a small table in the middle of the roof deck and plant myself there. I sip my drink and observe the people. Many people are smoking cigarettes and one guy is smoking weed. Most people are congregated in groups and I don’t see any approach invitations.
After standing there for about 10 or 15 minutes I start thinking about going back downstairs. But this somewhat cute girl with an athletic body comes over and introduces herself to me. She says she can’t find her friends and she saw me alone so she thought she’d say hi. I don’t think this is a pheromone hit due to the circumstances. When some woman find themselves alone at a bar/club they get uncomfortable. I have a pretty harmless look to me and I think that is what drove her to approach me. She didn’t want to be alone on the roof deck so she approached the nice guy standing there who was alone himself.
Anyway, we start chatting and we have a great conversation. This is where the -none was helpful. I find that my conversations with woman on average last much longer with -none than without.
Her two friends (a girl and a gay guy) join us. The female friend chats with me for a little while and the other girl fades into the back ground. Then the friend asks me if I dance and I say, “yes”. Then she invites me to join them downstairs to dance. So, the four of us go down stairs but instead of dancing, they sit down on a couch.
So, I face my first dilemma of the night. The guy sits in the middle and one girl was on each side of him. There was an empty space next to each girl. So, do I sit next to the girl who initially approached me or the girl who invited me downstairs with the group? Neither girl had given me any IOIs and I was attracted to both of them.
So, I sit next to the girl who invited me downstairs. Wrong choice! She immediately suggests that I sit next to the other girl and I say, “Good idea.” I sit next to the other girl and we resume our conversations.
The conversation goes incredibly well and within 10 minutes, I see signs from her that she wants to be kissed. So, I kiss her and we just talk/kiss/dance/cuddle for the next hour.
Now, we have known each other for well over an hour and we are on the couch making out. There is clearly a lot of chemistry and attraction between us. Her two friends leave to go home. She is staying with the gay guy and she tells him that she will join him in a few minutes as they leave.
So, we are isolated but the circumstances are awkward.
- She has a flight out of NYC the next afternoon and she lives in California.
- She is staying with her friend so she obviously will want to hang out with him the last night because it would be rude not to.
- She obviously can’t come over to my place since it’s her last night and she has to pack the next morning for her afternoon flight.
- She had previously asked me where I lived and I told her I lived in Queens. She commented that it’s kind of far. So, she obviously is not open to coming over to my apartment in Queens.
So we make out some more and I suggest that she bring me back to her friend’s place. At the time it seemed like a good idea but it seems kind of stupid to me now. She says she can’t, her friend won’t want me there.
So I suggest that we go outside because the music is loud. I suggest that we walk towards the subway and I ask her what train she needs. So, we are walking slowly arm in arm and we are completely comfortable with each other. We seem to have a comfort level of a couple who has been together for a while.
We eventually get to her subway stop and she asks if I need to take this train too. I said that my train is at a different station. Then she suggests that she is not ready to go home yet because she wants to walk some more and enjoy the night. So, we walk for while hand in hand continuing to have a great conversation. Then she suggests that we turn around and head back to the subway. We go down the stairs into the station and she asks me where I’m going. I say, “back home to queens” because she already told me that she can’t bring me to her friends place. So she kisses me and then looks at me. Then she kisses me again and then swipes her card and enters the subway.
On the subway ride home I wondered if I should have invited her back to my place instead of suggesting that we go to her friends place. But I had all these stupid assumptions in my head about why she wouldn’t want to do that. So at the time I assumed that she would say no. But now I will never know if she would have said yes or not. 
I think it is because of these stupid barriers and assumptions in my head that prevent me from being good with women. Oh well.
New Daytime Mix?
I’m gong to try to keep this post short because it’s already around 11PM and I’m probably not going to get to the bars till after midnight. Fortunately many don’t close until 4AM in NYC.
This morning I took a shower but I forgot to scrub my application points with hydrogen peroxide. Actually I forgot before my evening shower. Sh#t!
Anyway, I went out with the following mix:
1 Spray of TUTH to the neck
1 Drop of A314 to my wrists.
My thinking is that Instant Jerk has too much -none for daytime use. TUTH only has 2.5 mcg of -none and this seems reasonable for daytime use because I think I’m a low -none producer. I’m still a bit worried about the “steering molecules” because I don’t know what they do but there are no other -none mixes without Androstenol. I’m looking for a daytime mix without Androstenol because Androstenol doesn’t really help me that much and as I mentioned before, it seems to be a hit reducer for me.
I’ve tried Ammo2X a few times during the day and it has done nothing for me.
Anyway, I did the following with my mix today.
- Subway ride to Union Square
- Read a magazine at Union Square
- Hang out at Barnes & Nobles
- Walk through the farmer’s market
- Shop at Trader Joes (Packed with over 100 women)
- Subway ride home
- Walk to Vitamine Shoppe
- Subway ride to Target
- Shop in Target
- Subway ride home
- Walk to basking Robbins and back
- Walk to the gym
- Lift Weights
- Walk Home from the gym
No time for details because this post is cutting into my clubbing time.
Highlights
- Well over a dozen women looked right at me and made eye contact over the course of the day. As a matter of fact, so many women looked at me that I lost count. This is a much superior result to Ammo or A314 alone where barely any women glanced at me. But yet I find it hard to believe that 2.5mcg of -none could make that much of a difference from women that are over 5 or 6 feet away from me. Perhaps I was just feeling very confident today because I had 2 good days in a row at the bars.
- I struck up a conversation with a woman about my age while reading a magazine in the Union Square park bench area. I opened up the conversation and she did most of the talking. I have observed over the last few weeks that for me -none makes women chatty but Androstenol does not for me. It’s almost like -none acts like Androstenol for me and thats kind of bizare.
- In Target I walked by nice looking woman about my age and she must have gotten a whiff of my pheromones because she came up behind me and got my attention. Then she asked me if I knew were the mops were. That’s a bit unusual so it’s very possible that was a hit. Of course she may have legitimately been frustrated that she couldn’t find mops and was looking for anyone to ask. No way to know.
Well, off to the bars…
Pheromones are doing their job and I’m screwing up
Last night I had 2 really powerful hits and both times I somehow managed to screw up the hits. I’m still not sure exactly what I did wrong.
Last night I went out with the following Pheromones:
1 Spray Instant Jerk to throat/upper chest area
2 Drops of A314 to my wrists.
At around midnight I arrive at this dance club in the basement of an upscale hotel in times square. The place is not that crowded yet so I get to the bar and order a drink. Then for the next half hour I take my normal proactive approach of sitting at the bar, staring at the bottles, waiting for something to happen. Nothing happens but the place is starting to get more crowded and there are more women in the place now.
So I plant myself in the middle next to a column and stand there sipping my drink for about 10 minutes waiting for something to happen. Nothing happens.
So I go to the other room which has a decent sized dance floor with another bar area. I stand there facing the dance floor and daydreaming for about 10 minutes. These two women start dancing a couple of feet in front of me and I’m not sure if it’s a coincidence or not. After about 5 minutes of this they whisper to each other and leave the dance floor. One of them walks directly in front of me and pushes her hair back right as she is passing me when she is directly in front of me. I make a mental note to approach her when I leave the dance floor. (But I never do.)
So I finally get a major hit. I start dancing a little bit on the dance floor near the outer edge. These two girls walk by (a blonde and a brunette). They go to the dance floor and the blonde brushes into me a little bit as she walks to the dance floor and they are dancing in front of me. This blonde girl is absolutely stunning and is probably the best looking girl in the entire bar. So I’m watching her dance wondering if she had given be an IOI. Then she looks back at me while dancing. Well, I have to go in now, that was a definite IOI. So I approach fully expecting to crash and burn because I’m not used to attention from women that attractive. Without the Instant Jerk + A314 combo, I would have been invisible to her.
So I walk up to her, tap her on the shoulder to get her attention and gave her a compliment on her outfit. She immediately pushes into me and starts talking. (Thankfully the music is not too loud at this place.) Very early in the conversation I kiss her on the cheek and she seems to really like that. We talk and dance for a while and we completely hit it off. Most of the time she is holding me very tightly as we are dancing like she doesn’t want to let go. We are talking to each other on and off the whole time. She tells me that I should visit Norway and she will show me around Oslo. It is quite flattering to my ego to have such an attractive women giving me this much attention.
So we both start escalating things a little bit. She sensually rubs my side/back as we are dancing on the dance floor as we are holding each other. I do the same. Then she rubs my butt and I do the same. I give her a little kiss on the neck and she pulls me in tighter. We are both holding each other and dancing like this for a few more minutes but then things take a turn for the worse.
All of a sudden she says something to me which I can’t hear and she detaches and leaves the dance floor. I figure she must be getting a drink or going to the bathroom but she never comes back. After 10 minutes I’m still there dancing alone on the dance floor trying to figure out what had happened. I take a walk around the club and she is gone. I go back to the dance floor and a see another women give me a flirty look but at this point my ego is bruised. I can’t figure out what could have happened to make her run off like that especially since things were going so well and it seemed like she was holding on to me for dear life for well over 20 minutes. I decide I need a change of scenery. There are a couple of bars crosstown that I occassionally go to. That will give me about a 15 minute walk to pull myself together.
So I go to this place that is not very crowded and I sit at the bar and order a drink. I hang out at the bar because there are a few good looking women scattered around the bar area. But I don’t see any IOIs so after about 10 minutes I go upstairs.
Upstairs is not very crowded either. A few random people are dancing in the dance area. I sit on this really long couch and just sit there for a while. No definite hits here. For a little while two girls were dancing in front of me and it sort of seemed like they were giving me a show. One of them sits about 3 or 4 feet away from me. It’s not close enough to definitely be an IOI but it might be. I don’t know. But she only sits there for about 1 minute and then she gets up and starts dancing again.
I go back downstairs and sit at the bar. I follow my routine of staring at the bottles waiting for something to happen. Nothing happens so I leave.
I go to a bar one block away with a roof deck. My next major hit is about to happen in a few minutes.
I’m sipping my drink watching the TV behind the bar on the roof deck. Then the girl to the right of me with short hair pushes into me as she is talking to her group. Her body is making solid contact with my body for several seconds. Something happens in the ballgame and she cheers. I ask her, “Are you a Dodgers fan?” She says, “No” in an abrupt manner and turns away from me. So I move about 6 inches to my right to make space between me and her. After about a minute she is making contact with me again. Her wrist is touching my wrist as she is talking to this guy (who later turns out to be her jealous boyfriend - but the hit I get later was from her friend, not her.) I eventually say something else to her and she gives me an annoyed response. So I move away from her another 6 inches and within a couple of minutes her body is touching my body again.
So I start listening to this group’s conversation (2 Guys & a girl) as the one girl has her back to me but her body is pressing against my body. It really seemed kind of strange.
So, the 2nd major hit of the night finally comes. The girl’s friend (who has braces on her teeth) is facing me on the other side of the group. As she talks our eyes lock. I make a short comment about something she had just said. She immediately walks right over to me and starts talking to me. She constantly touches me and has her hands over me. The friend with short hair turns to face me and turns her back to the other guy (who is her boyfriend.)
The short haired girl goes back and forth between her boyfriend and the two of us talking. But the girl with the braces talks to me non stop and she even makes a joke that she is “a major slut”. (Those were her exact words.) I wonder if that was a hint that she wanted me to escalate? She also tells me that the other girl’s boyfriend is a nice guy and the girl is really not into him. LOL, I’m socially retarded but I could have figured out that one on my own.
At one point, the short haired girl blurts out, “you are not a good person.” I could tell by looking in your eyes that you are an asshole. I can’t tell if she is joking with a deadpan delivery or if she is serious. But she goes on about how I am a bad person and she asks why I don’t feel bad bout it. The funny thing is people normally think I’m this harmless nice guy so perhaps the Instant Jerk is really changing my vibe.
Anyway, the conversation with the girl with braces lasts for about 15 minutes with her doing 90% of the talking. She doesn’t let me have a word edgewise but that is okay with me. She continues to touch me in a flirtatious manner. After what happened with the Norwegian blond earlier in the night, I’m a little bit gun shy about escalating so I just talk the whole time.
Then all of a sudden this muscular cyborg dude who is a complete loud obnoxious meat-head comes by. One moment the girl with the braces has her hands on my chest and the next moment she leaves and has her hands all over that guy. Maybe I should have tried escalating a bit earlier because my window of opportunity just shut for the night. Her short haired friend gravitates to the muscular guy and is touching him too.
So, I’m standing there alone and the short haired girl’s boyfriend introduces himself to me. His mood is very sad and dejected so I try to cheer him up a bit but it doesn’t work.
About a half an hour later I see the two girls again and the boyfriend & cyborg guy are not around. So I try to reengage them but they want nothing to do with me. So I leave and go home.
I can feel your pain from here Mr. Tree.
You must lead to get the results you are seeking. This could be as basic, and as delicate as the waltz. Your approach seems to be completely passive.
I am enjoying your reports, and you are improving.
You are definitely right - I really need to lead more instead of getting stuck in a holding pattern when I’m interacting with a woman.
I think it’s fear that’s holding me back. Deep down I’m afraid that if I take action, I’ll do something to mess up the interaction. Of course not taking chances is even worse.
Possible hit while disheveled
This morning I decided to go to Soho but I was too much of a lazy bum to take a shower. I didn’t wipe down with hydrogen peroxide last night so I’m sure I still had the -none on me from from the instant jerk. So I sprayed some D&G cologne where I did the IJ application last night.
Then I decided to go all out. I did a drop of A314 on my wrists and I sprayed 1 spray of TUTH on top of the D&G cologne.
Over the course of the day not many women made eye contact with me maybe a few looked at me. But I wasn’t expecting much because I was somewhat disheveled.
So I stop at a clothing store on Broadway and I shop around for a while. I see a large skinny jean section and I start reading the description. Then I start thinking about my ex-girlfriend talking to me about skinny jeans last year and I was trying to remember if she was for them or against them. So I’m sort of standing there daydreaming and staring at the skinny jeans for a minute or two and I probably had a somewhat confused look on my face. (At least a couple of the women I have dated in the past said that I had a confused look on my face when they first met me. Hehe)
So this cute store clerk (early 20s in age) comes up to me and asks if she can help me. Of course there is nothing unusual about this. I’m a confused looking customer so it’s natural for a store clerk to assist. So I ask her a couple of questions about skinny jeans that were already in my mind.
Then I think this is where the pheromones kick in. She starts to just stare at me and she can’t seem to keep her eyes off me. She suggests that I try on the jeans and she offers to wait outside the waiting room to help me find a good fit. On the way to the fitting room she is talking non-stop which seems to be the effect -none has on many women when I wear it.
I end up trying on like 8 or 9 pairs of jeans and she is incredibly enthusiastic the whole time. Every time I come out of the fitting room she is giving me some serious eye contact. She must have spent a solid 20 minutes helping me pick out a pair of jeans and the jeans were not even that expensive at this place. She was incredibly enthusiastic the whole time and she seemed excited to get jeans for me. This is not normal in NYC. I have been to this store several times and many other stores in NYC. Usually they are so incredibly busy they don’t want to help.
I finally decide on a pair of jeans so I go back to the changing room to change out of the jeans. She is still standing outside the changing room and I hear her manager tell her to get back to work. LOL.
So I’m walking around the store with the pair of jeans in my hand and I come across her again. She asks if I want to do any more shopping for jeans. I said that I’m all set and I commented that I wish I had her around when I shopped in the past. I told her that she could have saved me from a lot of mistakes. Then I complement her on her unique hair style (it was really unique and she looked awesome with her hair the way it was styled.)
So, at this point we are done and we make a little bit of small talk. Then we are just standing there facing each other looking at each other. Now I’m thinking that if I was closer to her age I would definitely get her phone number right now. But I’m way too old for her and it would be really weird to ask for her phone number. Also, some women that age kind of freak out when they find out how old I am so I figure I had better pass up on asking for her phone number.
So I say bye to her and she tells me to come back to the store. She works there all the time.
So I go to the cashier to pay for the stuff and she couldn’t be more that 18 or 19 years old. She is making really strong eye contact with me and she has a smile on her face. I commented that the other girl was helpful and I wouldn’t be buying the jeans if it wasn’t for her. The cashier told me that they don’t keep track of that in this store. But she said that she would personally tell her manager for me. Then she runs (not walks) to the manager who was about 30 feet away at the time to tell him that the other girl was helpful picking out the jeans. She comes back and she continues to give me strong eye contact and smile during the whole transaction. Then I leave.
What makes this whole incident a pheromone hit in my opinion is the intensity of the eye contact I was getting from the clerk and cashier. That just rarely happens without pheromones for me.
For the record, a few years ago I did pick up a girl in a kitchen-wear store when I was staring at the stuff on display with a confused look on my face and she came over to help me. But the overall intensity of this interaction today was much greater. But it is possible for a similar scenario to play out without pheromones. But unusual things happen much more often when I wear pheromones that when I don’t.
A friend calls - might have to skip tonight
For the last few weeks I’ve been completely neglecting my friends so I can spend as much time in the field playing my pheromones. I’m still like a kid with a brand new toy and just want to play. Perhaps this is not the most mentally healthy thing to do. 
One of my good friends called today and he wants to get a beer tonight. His wife his having girls night out tonight. Normally when I hang out with my friends I don’t meet women because I suck at multitasking. I can have fun with my friends or I can go out and meet women but I just can’t do both at the same time very effectively.
But I’m thinking about doing the Instant Jerk + A314 when hanging out with this friend. I know that there are dangers to this but I have absolutely no aggressive self effects with -none. I just might go with it and see if women around us act any differently. Maybe I will be able to hit a pickup bar or two after he goes home later in the evening.
I think I created a monster
So I met my buddy last night and we closed the bars. It turns out that he had the whole night free because his wife was away. I think the Instant Jerk effected him in a negative way.
I wore the following mix:
1 Spray of Instant Jerk
1 Spray of A314
I got no blatant hits last night but I had low expectations for the evening to begin with. I typically don’t meet women when I am out with 1 or 2 friends. If I’m with a large group then I can always break away from the group and do my thing. I may have had a few subtle hits over the course of the night but not enough to distinguish it from a pheromone free night. Actually there was one amusing hit from a really drunk girl at the end of the night.
It was also a bad night because the bars were empty because it was Independence Day. Some bars did start picking up way later in the evening like around
We first go to this somewhat upscale bar that is usually packed at this time. It was empty. We grab seats at the bar order our drinks. I’m chatting with my friend an he seems more upbeat than usual. Also his voice noticeably louder and more obnoxious sounding than usual. Could that be the Instant Jerk that I am wearing effecting him?
A couple of girls sit down to the right of him and he strikes up a conversation with them. They talk us for a few minutes but the girls decide that they don’t like us so the conversation dies.
A couple of girls sit to the left of me but I get no IOIs at all. I strike up a casual conversation with the girl closest to me but it dies out very quickly.
My eyes lock with a girl sitting alone to the far right of the bar. I might have looked too intensely by accident because she seemed a little startled and jerked her head away to break the eye contact. I don’t know what this means but I don’t think it was good.
So we go to my favorite dive bar in the Lower East Side and we get our drinks. We hang out at the bar for a little while but we get no hits. It doesn’t help that the crowd is about 75% guys and 25% women.
My friend decides that he wants popcorn. So he starts trying to get the bartenders attention by saying “Bartender” in an obnoxious way. The bartender acts like he doesn’t hear and my friend continues to yell out, “Bartender” and the bartender continues to ignore him.
My friend is normally an easy going guy and never obnoxious. As this point I start to worry that the Instant Jerk is affecting him in a negative way. Instant Jerk has never made me aggressive or angry is any way. It just makes me feel more aware and chill. But from reading the posts, I know it can make other people angry.
The bartender finally acknowledges my friend but he makes a comment about hearing my friend trying to get his attention earlier. Next thing I know my friend is arguing with the bartender. I have never seen him get into an argument with anyone like that before in my life and I have known him for about 7 years. Anyway, I don’t want to get banned from the bar so I sit over at the table across the room and my friend joins me there after about a minute. He refused to get the popcorn the bartender got him because he was mad. But then he decides he wants the popcorn anyway but when he goes back to get it, it is gone. He tells me about how much of an asshole the bartender was so I agree with him to avoid trouble.
At this point we both have our backs against the wall sitting at a table facing the whole bar. Several women come in at this point and there might be a couple that looked at us but I couldn’t tell for sure. I decided that we had better get out of there to avoid more altercations with the bartender.
So we walk over to this pizza place that my friend says has the best pizza ever. I strike up a conversation with the girl behind me in line and she is very friendly but the conversation doesn’t go anywhere.
My friend is already pretty drunk at this point and he tells me that he wants to stay up all night and continue getting drunk. I know that his wife is away but this is still somewhat abnormal. I’m a pretty boring guy and my friend enjoys my company but usually after a couple of hours he starts to get tired and wants to go home. He really seemed stimulated by my presence much more so than usual so I really do think this was the pheromones in action.
So we enter another bar and go to the dance floor and start dancing. Two girls who were sitting down watching the dance floor see us. The get up and start dancing in front of us. My friend yells into my ear, those “chicks just got up to dance with us!”. He’s really drunk and starts dancing right up on them and they back off. (He is usually not that aggressive.) Then another guy comes in and starts to grind the girls and they keep on pushing him away. Then those 2 girls leave the dance floor.
That was a similar pattern the entire night. Whenever girls would hover into our area, he would aggressively dance right in front of them and the girls were getting pretty annoyed. He was dancing but he was noticeably drunk to the point where he was somewhat wobbly. But he kept on shouting out like he was enjoying himself. He is normally not obnoxious like this. He sometimes can be really good with people and he normally is very good at talking to people. I’m afraid that the instant jerk I was wearing affected him in a negative way.
At the end of the night I had a useless but amusing hit. This really drunk girl walks by and looks at me. So I look at her breasts and look back at her. She stops in her tracks and continues to look at me. So I look at her breasts and back to her eyes again. She stands there for about 5 seconds looking at me with a confused look and I just look at her blankly. Then she walks away. A couple of minutes later I feel someone briefly sensually rub my back and its that same girl. She moves to position herself in front of me and looks at me. We are both start dancing facing each other and there is about 3 feet of space between us. Out of nowhere, this guy swoops in, embraces her, and starts dirty dancing with her. She is totally taken off guard. Right after this happens her friend comes up right in front of me and starts aggressively dancing right in front of me while pushing her breasts into me. But then she looks to the side and realizes that her friend doesn’t like the guy who just swooped in. The first girl pushes the guy away from her and the two girls are sensible enough to leave at this point since they were both so drunk they could barely walk.
Anyway, we stay until closing and go to the subway. My friend wants to go to another bar but I tell him that they all close at 4AM. Then we go into the subway and when we finally part ways, he enthusiastically tells me that this was the best night ever. I have never heard him say that in the 7 years I have known him and he have had some pretty good nights in the past. LOL.
LOL, that does sound like a good night out!
I think the two girls at the end there is a hit. Drunk people may be affected more by pheromones. In regards to your friend, I have noticed something funny about “obnoxious” effects of androstenone. Most likely, your friend was not as affected as you were. It could have been your perception of him that was annoyed. So you experienced self effects, and got annoyed by his behavior. Thats how it seems from your writing.