well things are a little more exciting in YOUR world than it is in mine here,Tigerlily !!!
just holy sh!t …
I just think I am the luckiest girl in the world to be hanging out here in Lor’s corner with Tigerlilly, too. Oy, I just love you two so much.
<3
Diane
I completely agree. 
Much love to the 2 of you as well!!!
wore 100mu EST last night to work.
again
like a broken freaking record
men went to the “man” behind the bar
(not even old enough to drink,mind you)
and i was the only bartender on duty.
yes
because i am a woman
what the hell must i know about beer?
and then
if i DO know something,
they dont want to be told from a gal.
they repeatedly went to the kid
who was already busy
rather than to me
who was asking for their order !
WTH???
okay, i guess this was the venting part of venting my adventures,LOL.
so EST and TAH cannot be worn alone.
but
if i douse myself in man-smell
i make tons of money and get respect.
this is why i drink, people.
- ahhhh hahahahahahahahahahaha*
you changed your avatar signiture !
I know, I know.
My wife is in a different profession altogether. She is much more productive than her male counterparts - as told by any “statistic” that could be produced.
But …
if her male counterparts complain about something, people “jump to” to fix their problem. They can be sarcastic, nasty, whatever - but it gets done.
If my wife complains, she is often ignored or fixes come slowly. Unless she puts her foot down. Then it might happen more quickly, but people are like “WTH is wrong with you?” probably thinking the “B” word.
I understand. I wish I could fix it for both of you but I can’t.
That is an easy fix. MX134 + a tiny bit of P80 and I guarantee they’ll jump as though she had a beard and no breasts… “Yessir!.. I mean, Ma’am”
Diane
Lor, I am experiencing a similar phenomenon out and about traveling. Men are super concerned and caring, but, when they as “what happened?” And I give a one line summary - a search and rescue got rough - they do not believe me.
“A little thing like you?” I am not little. I am very muscular.
“What’s a sweet girl like u doing stuff like that for?” Uhhh, I dunno, cause I can save a life??
“That’s cute - what really happened?” 
“So u needed to be rescued, huh?” No, no, I was the rescuer. “With other guys, right?” No, they didn’t show up to ‘save’ me for two hours.
Its been incredible. I love the utter femininity and the loving atmosphere of the tah - est mixture. Adding p74 and p86 also is super great. But, I hate this seemingly disrespectful vibe that is part and parcel of this mix.
Is it disrespectful, tho?
What femininity vibe are we giving off? I’ve come to believe, based on my self effects and the effects on others, that labeling it ‘kittenish’ or ‘cute’ is patently false. I think its much more a dripping feminity and sensuality of Grace Kelly or Katherine Hepburn. I think marilyn monroe is too ‘silly’ for comparison to this phero, imo. When I think MM, I think of giggling, silly, buxom, sexy, but it just doesn’t fit the whole phero experience for me. Where’s the part about, as Lor says, you’re falling in love with the world??
I think this is a very adult femininty and sensuality. I don’t know why some girls feel weak when wearing it, but I wonder if it is a problem they have with the type of femininity that TAH is… But I just don’t know.
I love tal for its take no shit attitude, but I love tah for the fundamental change it creates within me, and to those around me. Love, joy, peace and happiness.
Good god, I sound like a freakin’ hippy.
But, with all of this, why is there such a male reactive vibe to the est and tah???
that is a GREAT question.
i have asked it since i began here.
im SICK of women posting that they feel weak and feeble on TAH or EST.
now, do we get treated that way? sometimes.
i get alot of response that implies i cannot possibly be in control.
i dont want that to be confused with me feeling that way.
i dont.
i think anytime we pull one molecule out and use i by itself,
we are going to get an exaggerated response.
i believe this is why they do add a little TAL to IS/B.
now would i EVER relate ito marilyn?
nope.
its hippy.
its peace for peace-sake-
without connection to outside circumstance.
heres my take:
TAH is definately feminine.
its pink,loving,positive,considerate…
all of these qualities however can be found in both genders.
so can the masculine qualities of
blue,stern,agressive…
why then do we sometimes get the reaction of disrespect?
BECAUSE IT IS THE PERSON BEING DISRESPECTFUL THAT HAS A FLAWED CONCEPT OF FEMININITY.
and why do some of the women here FEEL vulnerable and weak?
IT IS THEIR FLAWED CONCEPT OF FEMININITY.
i do feel vulnerable sometimes, but it wont be because i applied a pheromone.
i also think TAH is great to wear when i want to be treated as passive.
i dont always want to be the leader.
but that doesnt make me less responsible 
Well, it is also how we respond to how we are treated by others. Some women I guess buckle when a guy expresses that he feels she is weak.
Some guys, fatherly or rescuer types, maybe, I would guess would be very attracted to TAH and it’s soft, feminine vibe. My husband hates it… or rather, he hates me wearing it. Every time I’ve tried it he’s tried to bull me over like he was a mack truck. He’s definitely a TAL kinda guy who wants a strong woman beside him. He doesn’t want to take care of me, he wants to respect me. And for him, he definitely has no respect for a soft, kittenish woman.
But, I haven’t tried to wear TAH with EST. With his over-the-top caretaking behavior when I wear EST, it could be an interesting experiment.
But I’ve often wondered why he would be so awful to me on TAH and so very perfect with me with EST? I have no clue.
Diane
my SO hates TAH too.
adores TAL.
i still dont get the over the top care-taking behaviour with ANYTHING,
but i didnt get that pregnant,either.
maybe how we respond to others treating us as weak is a factor,
but the bottom line is that people who equate femininty as weak will have issues with TAH.
when you think about it,
it makes more sense to say a man doesnt prefer overly feminine women, and then doesnt choose one,
then to say they must be treated disrespectfully.
sigh
i guess i just disagree with the programmed behaviour.
im not complaining about my SO not liking TAH and equating the peace and love vibe as weak, because i dont wear it around him.
if he behaves disrespectfully and i can connect it to TAH,
then im very aware he has issues because there is never a reason to be disrespectful.
i guess i see it like
i personally do not prefer a guy who is sporty.
i dont equate them with anything special and i dont get excited in the company of sportstars (we see alot of them in florida).
but i wont be disrespectful either.
i just never see a good reason to be disrespectful.
TAH is definately a molecule that pulls a person’s character out.
i also think regular exposure to TAH may create an affinity for it.
i think im going to experiment in that vein…
Hmmm…
my theory is actually a little bit different than both of yours even…
I agree with Lor in that some people’s concepts of femininity are whacked out.
However, I am not totally convinced that TAH is creating a “feminine” vibe. I do not resonate with the kitten-y thing. I do not feel giggly, girly, pink or cute. What I feel is content. Calm. Fully comfortable and confident as a woman, but not in a fluffy bunny way. In a Woman way.
That contented confidence translates for me, and I am guessing for Lor too, as a totally peaceful, loving, happy vibe.
Now, if we go back to Diane’s theory that some of these molecules are effecting neurotransmitter cascades, especially the seemingly “long lasting” ones (TAF, and for me and Lor at least, TAH), then we are not really being fair equating the men’s reactions to OUR vibe… it’s what’s also happening within their own neurotransmitter cascade. (right?)
So, maybe some of these men are having 'sues with their own feminine/peaceful/contented/loving vibe? Maybe there is a deeper process going on with some of these men.
With my TG, he responds VERY well to TAH. He seems to love it. He definitely likes me when I am around with it. Now, to throw a monkey wrench in our convo, nearly all of our conversations with me wearing TAH have been business related, and have been with me in charge. I was proposing a business liaison, I was proposing a presentation, I was getting him to work with me. There was never a disrespectful vibe from him - ever.
What I think is that TAH is nearly perfect. it’s that nearly perfect “falling in love” phero, but for some odd reason, tweaks some people wrong and they can’t deal with the out of control aspects of being loving, kind, and caring to everyone, no exceptions, at all times.
I’d like to see some TAH - androsterone mix experiments. (that’s the juicy active ingredient in MX134, right? I still don’t have it. 
But it’s the one that Lor wants to marry, right? I get confused with the a-one’s sometimes… I dont play with those toys.) I have a theory that if we can get the ratio of peaceful loving contentedness and happy, peaceful warrior leader vibe correct -
We might just take over the world.
Thoughts? Or am I totally baked from the sun and talking out my gimpy elbow?
yep.
except some people translate the peace/content as “yin”.
thats why i call it pink.
not to be confused with girly-giggly-adolescent.
yes yes yes
jealous.
exactly what i think.
im not convinced we can get a one-size fits all mix.
i think its just natural that since our moods change and our roles change,
our signals will have to change too.
there are more days when feeling peaceful works,
but then there are work days when correcting the signal with another gender’s molecule fixes their disfunction.
do i want to go on forever like this?
no.
i want to huff 'rone, not wear it.
but unfortunatly it happens to work and until im back to working for myself,
mx134 is my new best friend
I guess I have a dysfunction with the word “pink.”
you make some very good points. I guess I just love TAH so much that I’d like to create/force it to work for more people.
I know that’s not possible… but sigh…
Oh, does your SO respond to p74?
nope.
atleast not in a way i can document.
he seems to thoroughly enjoy TAL, cops (if he’s in a good mood),
IH ( only sometimes betanol) , and whatever is in IS/A.
that may include trace 'none.
he is super-sensitive to smells, and most give him a headache.
even my most favoritest perfumes.
P74 was one he thought smelled funny.
even if he may enjoy it,
he cant get past the smell.
Interesting -
What’s your theory for why he likes TAL so much? Is it similar to Diane’s?
Ohh! BTW - You win. That strawberry honey thing? My new fave. The only one I actually liked, really. Go f’ing figure.
men attracted to TAL
- dont want to take care of her
- want a chick bossing them around in the bedroom
- want a chick who “knows” their stuff, if you know what i mean
- dig the ass-kicking leading lady
- find power sexxay
men attracted to TAH
- like being the caretaker
- dig feeling needed
- are usually in authority (but not always)
- like being in control in the lovenasium
- enjoy being the aggressor
im not speaking for everyone,
but so far this is what i go by when choosing what i am going to wear and for what purpose.
wearing them balanced in a mix still feels good,
but i dont get over the top reactions like i do more often with H or L being heavier than the other.
I’m applying my TAL / TAH experiences through your framework…
I’ve found two guys who like TAL -
One is a Pastor. He’s utterly whipped by his wife. He worships the ground she walks on. She’s an incredible woman - I am not judging her or being negative. She’s truly wonderful. But he worships her. Cards and flowers just randomly. Indulges her shoe fetish. Takes utter, utter care of her - drives her here and there, they meet for lunch almost daily, conversate all the time - they have a really great relationship.
Now, it would not surprise me AT ALL to find out that she wears the pants in ALL aspects of their relationship. He only ever showed attraction towards me (we’re close friends) when I wore TAL… and then ran away when I wasn’t wearing it and didn’t talk to me for two weeks. So your analogy kinda fits with that one… I suppose in the important ways.
I’m not so sure about the bullet #1 under TAL is all I am saying, in regards to this one.
The other guy…
flat out told me that he likes a bitchy woman. “All men love that little inner bitch that women have.” Since I hate that, that was the end of that flirtation. However, I did get a lot of use out of my IS/a bottle, which had been gathering dust. He drooled… loved it. Loved my power, loved my authority. Loved the fact that I was totally in control, in command, and commanding others. Got off on my arrogance. Liked when I was a bit of a bitch, which was easy with IS/a.
I’ll say this and then leave it alone - you’re wrong about the bedroom stuff with this one as well. It was like he was trying to make up for my power and bitchiness outside, inside…
Not the greatest, by any stretch, and needless to say, no longer in contact!
Again, only with my experiences, with TAH, I feel what you’re saying with everything except 4 & 5…
One TAH responder is super into super sweet lovemaking with his wife. Mutual, sensual, lovemaking. Not in control stuff. Also, I have about 50-50 responders who are aggressors and others who are “vibers.” Dig the TAH, dig me wearing the TAH, but it doesn’t get them chasing. Im thinking my TG here, and back to one afternoon where I bathed in TAH and then spent several hours with him as if we were already in a relationship.
There was no chasing.
I’m sure that doesn’t help…
You are assuming that men and women are responding with the same cascades in response to the same molecule. That may not be the case.
EST is one example where there is a definite gender linked difference in response. There are most likely others.
And there is variability even within each gender for just about anything.
Neurotransmitter receptors are pretty complex with primary and secondary (and probably more) protein structures. The actual amino acid sequences of these structures are controlled by genes and your heritage has a lot to do with how they function. But even within families there is a lot of variability because of genetic crossover during early, early embrionic life. The actual conformation and binding affinity of the receptors determines if, and for how long a neurotransmitter will bind, and how hard it is to get the neurotransmitter to release once bound. And that is determined by the genes.
So, that is why you get a range of response with multiple people, not a set response.
Some of the guys who have looked at their own data notice that a lot of pheromones have a bi-modal bell shaped curve with dosage regarding response. You might find something similar in regard to gender-based responses.
Diane
This was really fun to read.
My husband doesn’t like being bossed in the bedroom. He’s a warrior, conquerer type, and he always wins. TAL is a challenge he likes.
Diane