well duh!!! u want hits? hang around drunk girls

[mahalo_silver]

so anyways, i looked back at about 80 percent of my hits, [okay, maybe 70 percent] over the past 1.5 years, and yes, it involved alcohol. Now all it takes is a girl whose a little tipsy, [or hopefully alot], and the pheromone cloud can blast her with a gust of arousal so potent, that u may be caught off guard.

and now im looking back thinking how dumb i am trying to make this stuff consistently work in supermarkets, in cafes, on the street, in food courts, in banks, in malls, or any other place where the finer species hibernate during day light hours…in other words? day gaming with pheromones is just a hassle AND the girls ain’t likely to be drunk [well in my neighbourhood, maybe they are] AND, its a struggle finding test subjects consistently.

I mean this concept i so blindly obvious to me now…if i want to consistently get hits off this stuff, girls with a drink in there hand will be that much more receptive. Now of course if you find girls who are very drunk, and u may just have your way with them…my famous mx203 hits? the girls was drunk, my 1 solo success with mx292? yup, she had a cocktail in hand, Ammo on a date? it alllll came out…

if i limit my testing of the “arousal class of pheromones” to settings condusive to the consumption of copious quantities of alcohol, i may get my success ratio up to 8/10 girls.

the reason i havent in the past is ive been unable to compete in night clubs. you know the pretty boys or the super sleazy guys who have “the moves”. BUT, ive realised that 'mones can level this out alot…and u have a ready made testing ground full of many many DRUNK women. During the day, its very hit and miss, people are in work mindset, its hard to find targets, easier to get discouraged and waste product…so better off hitting a quiet bar a few nights a week, just for an hour, and doing tests there.

[catlord17]

Which raises the question of ethics, depending on the amount of alcohol involved… I have concluded that, based on my experiences, all “ethics” aside, sex with an inebriated woman is just asking for trouble down the line. No matter what she says or does in the moment.

[diamond]

Excellent point there Catlord which leads me nicely into the point I was going to make.

I’m not sure of the legal position in the US but Courts over here have decided that a heavily inebriated woman is not capable of consenting to sexual intercourse.

Sex without consent is rape. Several young men who have met drunken girls in clubs have already found this out to their cost. The only question for the Court then is when does ‘merry’ and capable of consenting become drunk?

[Jasmin]

Drinks do put down some of our guard, and remove a lot of our hesitation. But night, in general, is when women are in a more romantic mindset. That’s why we’re usually found home at night, or with platonic friends. So we don’t get ourselves in trouble!

Count the number of women alone in the daytime at a place like Target vs. near closing time, then consider the number of guys that come out. We’re wayyyy more comfortable going out undefended when the saucy parts of our minds are shutdown.

A lot women even call themselves “morning persons”. We might say we like the night, or romanticize it, but if you go off pure behavior alone you can tell that men are more comfortable at night than women. It’s more of a male element since it’s a little risky, and many women at heart like more safety oriented than that.

That’s why you a many of hottest women in cars like Volvos. Take a look inside every Volvo you see, or older Mercedes, that kind of thing. The ones that don’t have safe cars yet, are usually planning on getting one someday. More women are also more likely to vote for things that promise safety, even though many of those things make the world less safe. We’re uncontrollably drawn to safety, even when it’s a lie.

Of course, we do like a little danger with a man that makes us feel safe! So it’s not that we’re completely danger averse or anything. We just want to be safe while we’re experiencing danger.

Anyway, the better your “day game” or whatever you want to call, the more access you have to women in general. So I wouldn’t give up on “day game” entirely. It’s a good thing to understand if you actually enjoy the company of women.

Of course, it all depends on what you want. You’re much likelier to find a good girlfriend in the day than at night. Someone you can see often. More likely a hookup at night. Something more animalistic, but very temporary (or unstable if you drag it out).

[TheAttractor]

While I’m all for leveling the playing field for men who aren’t PUAs, this does raise ethical issues. I don’t think it’s right to take advantage of an inebriated woman to have sex with her. Then again, if two people meet in a club, and they both want to continue their rendezvous in a more private place, the law shouldn’t get involved. And even if the woman is completely drunk, there’s nothing wrong with getting wild and crazy on the dance floor (making out, groping, etc.), and not going beyond that. When I go to clubs, I set that as my goal, rather than picking someone up; it’s easier to achieve, and puts less pressure on myself.

To respond to Diamond’s question, most states use the same cutoff point for consent as for driving. So if a woman is too drunk to drive, she’s too drunk to give consent. It’s interesting how the law would work if the situation was reversed: a sober woman going home with a drunk man.

[random_man]

@TheAttractor

To respond to Diamond’s question, most states use the same cutoff point for consent as for driving. So if a woman is too drunk to drive, she’s too drunk to give consent. It’s interesting how the law would work if the situation was reversed: a sober woman going home with a drunk man.

that’s so silly.. if the woman is too drunk to be held responsible for her choice of having sex, logic would follow that she is too drunk to be held responsible for choosing to DUI.

Well, it’s quite evident that pheromones will be more effective at night. Not only because of alcohol, but the whole mindset makes a huge difference, you will have to work much harder to get through her barriers during a regular day.

As for picking up drunk girls, I don’t see how it should be considered unethical unless she is really very drunk (ie. you don’t think she will remember this moment tomorrow) and you’re not. Once again it’s the same mentality of DUI - the girls chooses to be drunk, she wants to be inebriated and disinhibited and is responsible for that. I’m much more sympathetic than DUI laws, by the way, because it won’t matter to the judge if you were bordering unconsciousness when you started driving and don’t remember anything. And I bet it won’t matter to most people too. Great example of double standards is our society.

Alcohol doesn’t change people, just let’s them manifest their wills and feelings. So, if a girl wants to have sex when drunk it’s really just her will coming out.

[Xiphoid]

@random_man

Alcohol doesn’t change people, just let’s them manifest their wills and feelings. So, if a girl wants to have sex when drunk it’s really just her will coming out.

Eehhmmm…In a word; NO Alcohol is a CNS depressant, it does change your behaviour and it seriously impairs your cognitive function. Alcohol depresses the neuronal signalling in the areas of the brain that control behavious and impulse control, reasoning and decision making, in particular in the frontal lobe areas.

If someone gets sh**faced it’s not “their will coming out”…

[Gegogi]

I don’t think it’s right to take advantage of an inebriated woman to have sex with her.

In my experience, inebriated women are often trying to take advantage of you!

[Whitehall]

The critical aspect of female evolutionary sexual behavior is inhibition. Women make such a much larger investment if sex results in pregnancy that they have had to chose much more carefully which man gets the honors.

Today, not so much, with effective birth control. So when a woman’s libido is burning bright, she can willfully self-medicate her inhibitions away by drinking a Cosmo or two or three. She is responsible for her actions - no one is making her drink. Gegogi is correct - she’s wanting to take advantage of an available man.

Xiphoid is correct that “Alcohol depresses the neuronal signalling in the areas of the brain that control behavious and impulse control, reasoning and decision making.”

But that’s the reason she made the alcohol pass her lips in the first place.

Hence, I consider slightly to moderately drunk women as fair game so long as they are cogent enough to acknowledge that my offer is for penetrative sex.

Of course, at some point too much alcohol makes for a very poor lay. And if she has had so much to drink that she doesn’t know what she is doing then she is too self-destructive to be messed with.

And yes, alcohol lets them respond to our pheromones. I doubt that we’re seeing more internal response, we’re just seeing the woman let herself act on that response.

[skeeter]

@catlord17

Which raises the question of ethics, depending on the amount of alcohol involved… I have concluded that, based on my experiences, all “ethics” aside, sex with an inebriated woman is just asking for trouble down the line. No matter what she says or does in the moment.

Boy that is the understatement of the year. How about 15 years of hell after a night of drunk sex.

[Phya]

Great topic.

Two separate discussions here that I see. The first is, is the issue of getting hits off drunk girls, or the increased percentage of hits around drunk girls. The second is what you do with those hits, whether it’s morally/legally acceptable to have consensual sex with an inebriated person and if it’s even possible for said person to consent if inebriated.

For the first topic, I think it’s a great point to bring up. Many of my more sexually outrageous hits have been in the presence alcohol. I have no idea how much those girls drank, but I just assume it’s a moderate to excessive amount. However, that being said, I’ve seen pretty strong hits in the absence of alcohol as well.

I don’t think anyone will deny that alcohol tips the situation in your favor. Even Jasmin has declared a long time ago that alcohol will help reveal what a pheromone might do (sorry if I misquote or simplify here, I’m working off memory). I suppose there could be a disagreement on the validity of an alcohol induced hit versus a sober hit.

I think a sober hit is definitely holds more weight than a drunk hit, but I don’t think that drunk hits are completely worthless either. A drunk hit can reveal the underlying motivations for said behavior due to an obvious decline in self-censorship.

There are other variables between a scene with alcohol present and absent. If alcohol is a factor, so might the overall impact of your impression. Maybe she’ll be so drunk that she won’t remember the night. By contrast, a sober woman will fully remember the impact you had on her, which could be advantageous later.

As far as the second topic goes, I have mixed feelings on it. One part of me say, look, she’s a grown woman, she knows what she wants to do and what she doesn’t want to do. If she’s planning on getting smashed, she should either make sure she has friends around (besides, what lonely person gets smashed by themselves anyway?), or make some sort of arrangement where she can guarantee her safety.

Everyone should know their limits, with everything, not just alcohol (or substances for that matter). You should know your budget, you should know how much food you eat, etc..Know yourself. If you can control your alcohol intake, you’ll be able to control your sexual advances as well. If the guy pushes past that, then that’s obvious rape right there, no doubt about it.

I don’t think a guy should be convicted of rape in a case where the girl gets really drunk and ends up regretting her night. Obviously there are large gray areas here, and things are very subjective. Bottom line is that a grown adult is responsible for him/herself. You don’t sue a building manager for negligence because you were too drunk, tripped and hurt yourself on some stairway.

From the perspective of the guy, unless you’ve been buying her drinks all night, you really have no idea how much she’s had to drink. For all you know, that could be her natural personality. Chances are, it isn’t, but that doesn’t mean you’re a mind reader.

I understand the flipside too, there are definitely cases where a woman is too drunk to speak for herself. That’s where her friends or your own sense of responsibility should come into play.

Maybe I’m biased because I’ve been in a similar situation recently. I brought a girl home, she was completely willing and didn’t seem out of control at all. She was capable of holding an extended conversation, seemed perfectly fine. She walked with me to my car, we hung out in front of my car in public for a while, there was no hang ups at all.

I ended up being accused of taking her against her will and raping her. The claims were later justified by her having been on drugs/drinking (they didn’t even know what or wouldn’t tell me). Now, having met her that night for the first time, how is there any way I could know that she was supposed to be so ‘fucked up’, when there was no behavioral cues? In this case, I think it was a false justification for their wrongful actions. In short, they accused me because it was convenient and socially acceptable (in that, such rape accusations are generally supported by the public rather than condemned).

It is a difficult topic as there are real victims and fake victims on both sides of the issue. What can we do other than hope that people will be honest and not take advantage of the situation, either by raping or lying?

[catlord17]

Given everything I have seen… I am hesitant to touch a woman at all if she has had anything at all to drink. Even where ethics and morals are not a consideration.

[Gegogi]

@catlord17

Given everything I have seen… I am hesitant to touch a woman at all if she has had anything at all to drink. Even where ethics and morals are not a consideration.

Sheesh, if I played by those rules I’d never get laid let alone hold hands! Everybody I know is pretty much boozed up or stoned after 5PM, including myself. The abnormal folks are the straight ones. I avoid prissy bitches like that like the friggen plague! Nuttin’ but trouble and heartache!

[catlord17]

@Gegogi

Sheesh, if I played by those rules I’d never get laid let alone hold hands! Everybody I know is pretty much boozed up or stoned after 5PM, including myself. The abnormal folks are the straight ones. I avoid prissy bitches like that like the friggen plague! Nuttin’ but trouble and heartache!

I haven’t had good luck with women, apparently.

[JohnnyPaper]

Whoa, Phya…I am so terribly sorry to hear about that.

This is the age old moral issue. I don’t even like discussing this because it is along the lines of selective hearing…let’s just call it selective responsibility. When things are supposeed to be a level playing field between women and men, people don’t want to have to take responsibility for bad things or things they regret and want someone else to pay for it.

Until I can have a lawsuit brought against a golddigger for raping my pocketbook while I was “love/sex/beauty/girlofthemoment/whatever drunk” on her, then she damn well better not be able to throw any kind of lawsuit on me for consensual sex when we have met out over 1 or 100 drinks. PERIOD!

Where I am from we dub women that are capable of raping your pocketbook “sexual hijackers”. F*ck them. And they go out in droves in Dallas with multiple negative bank acounts, no Fn credit, and at most $5 in their purses expecting guys to pay for everything because they have taken two Fn hours to go out looking great while wearing the makeup and clothes that they wallet-whipped some guy into buying them.

So HELL NO. I don’t feel bad in the least if she gets shitfaced and we consensually have hot sweaty sex! If she asks if you have protection, you say yes and ASK HER TO PUT THE CONDOM ON YOU AND IF SHE DOES, then you are covered barring and crazy ideas that don’t need to be stated. This is why you always ask her to put the condom on you…don’t you do it man, you ask her to do that shit so you always have that in your pocket in case she wants to act like a crazy B*tch and say it was not consensual. If she feels bad the next day about it, then she should stop going to bars, go get a real job, get her bank accounts positive, clip up the credit cards and pay off debt, and stop trying to mess around with guy’s heads and walletwhip them. Do your own shit and buy your own clothes, makeup, drinks and whtever the F else. Just don’t plain fuck around in bars where you know the guys are out to get LAID in general, if you aren’t expecting to be propositioned for sex sometimes. You (ladies) aren’t gonna find guys you wanna date in bars, for the most part, anyways.

Yeah and I forgot to metion all the Fn knock off Louis Vuitton bags and Fn sunglasses from HONG KONG they use to look and act like they are something. It is crazy to me what some women will do to fit in and get attention and when they get it, they abuse it, and don’t want to take responsibility when they F up. You already did when you got into the fake shit and decided to be someone you aren’t or couldn’t afford to be. FOR THE LADIES THIS CONCERNS…BE YOURSELF AND STOP SEXUALLY HIJACKING MEN. IF YOU CONTINUE TO MESS WITH THE BULL, DON’T BE SURPRISED WHEN YOU GET THE HORNS.

(Hopefully you can see this subject has struck a nerve. And to all you women that do the right thing, then you get two gold stars, because you are in the minority.)

-JP

[AlienInspector]

i dont like the fact that there is a grey area here, i mean, ideally every case where these kind of problems would arise they should be treated individually, but the law doesnt work that way.

I have loads of friends(male and female) who have woken up to a lay they regretted, and yes under the influence, but it was still consentual. There is also that point where the girl is so drunk that its simply not enjoyable. This is my personal line..

That said if i have to many drinks I wont get IT up anyway. and if I’m sober enough to have sex i wont be attracted to a woman that’s slurring or cant really walk straight.
I dont think i’m the only one that feels this way.

It’s such a difficult issue because in the end its the word of one person against another, and either party can take advantage of the other.
Gladly I have only known of one case where this was an issue, a friend was accused of rape by the brother, having been there most of the time i knew the girl was a slut anyway, and they did date for a while, but try telling that to a drunk and coked up guy!(in the end the brother wanted money but he didnt get it)

I have a question, how would these situations work where the guy was sober in a country where prostition is legal? wouldn’t that work in the mans favour?(given that he hasnt shown psycotic tendensies in the past..)

[Alby]

WOW. I sure am glad I’m married.

[Marc]

@diamond

Courts over here have decided that a heavily inebriated woman is not capable of consenting to sexual intercourse.

That’s not quite correct Diamond. A drunken consent is still a consent. Or so says my Blackstone’s.

[random_man]

@Xiphoid

Eehhmmm…In a word; NO Alcohol is a CNS depressant, it does change your behaviour and it seriously impairs your cognitive function. Alcohol depresses the neuronal signalling in the areas of the brain that control behavious and impulse control, reasoning and decision making, in particular in the frontal lobe areas.

If someone gets sh**faced it’s not “their will coming out”…

well, of course alcohol changes behavior, I didn’t say otherwise; and lol, getting shitfaced is a term that describes the effect of alcohol, not any kind of will. I’m not talking about shitfaced people.
one could correctly argue that inhibition is an important part of personality, so depressing it is in fact changing the person and therefore my assertion is not technically correct. Neither was it supposed to be, btw. I don’t want to get into neuropharmacological discussion.
What I mean is, by diminishing inhibition you just release a blocked flow of emotions and desires. Alcohol in reasonable doses won’t really put emotions or desires in your mind, just take out the worrying out of the way. If a drunk woman wants to have sex, she probably would have wanted to while sober too but maybe would have repressed that.

[MuskCloud]

@diamond

I’m not sure of the legal position in the US but Courts over here have decided that a heavily inebriated woman is not capable of consenting to sexual intercourse.

Sex without consent is rape. Several young men who have met drunken girls in clubs have already found this out to their cost. The only question for the Court then is when does ‘merry’ and capable of consenting become drunk?

I remember the tabloids making a huge hoo-ha out of this a few years back. It got so bad I remember people seriously suggesting that both partners sign consent forms before getting down to it.

Then people started getting really silly and suggested that, if you want to really play safe, include a witness signature or two. Kinky…

The whole idea was scrapped shortly afterward.

It had a lasting effect though. Many guys now will not approach a woman who has obviously been drinking or who has an open bottle at the side of her, no matter how many IOIs she’s throwing out. Not worth the risk to your reputation.

Musk