I know that with putatives you shouldnt based it of other people results but then again you want to make sure that you dont spend money on a dud. So what are your favorite putatives and why did you choose them.
I’ve spoken with you about this over PM’s but I’m going to answer this on the open forum so that other people don’t make the mistake with the putatives.
First and foremost, you will see people here reporting on the putatives with less than 2-3 months of experience. Being candid, your results (not you specifically anthony) are because of a bias you read from the reports.
Putative testing can get expensive and is time consuming. For example, most people buy P83 for the disinhibitor properties that are reported with it. Now most people, like myself included, automatically assumed that, and just reported on what we wanted to see because that’s what we thought it would do. Did you know that P83 is one of the molecules that still needs more reports because of dirty data?
I’ve recently gone with retesting old molecules, and I can tell you P83 still gets me confused at times. I’m slowly getting it, but this is after a full years worth of usage.
Stick with consumer products, they work very well, and you may not know if, but I think some of them do contain putatives. These are the time tested and proven products.
I cannot begin to tell you all how much fun it is when you get that “AHA!” moment when you’re researching the effects of a certain molecule. I’ve built my mixes around what I’ve personally learned and experienced. This is really the beauty of what putatives really are.
Look at the ICM’s, Panty Scortchers, Project UF, and other products out there that are so loved by many. It is because of the testing that was done that these things were possible.
Wouldn’t YOU wanna be one of those who makes the ultimate mix and augment the success you already have?
Well said P51!
Getting into putatives is no small decision and to answer the OP, I’ve chosen putative both ways - after a lot of careful reading to see how they can be used on their own or to enhance other pheros AND because there was very little if any othr info about them.
Saying all that, I’m pretty good at suspending my preconceptions and stepping back in order to evaluate each one on its own merits. Sometimes I concurr with other testers, sometimes I don’t.
Although I don’t post as much, but I agree with what P51Mustang said. I feel like there are so many variables in testing putatives. I think I may have sent him 10 plus PMs over the certain putatives. Although I have receive hits and reactions off the ones I purchases, I feel it so much more that I will contine to uncover while I’m testing. I think I spend more time trolling on this site than a little bit. I guarantee you guys that I’m reading thes forums and journals for at least 3-4 hrs a day and whenever my email goes off from the threads I subscribe to.
I have this diary app on my phone where I enter my “reciepes” and minor notes are reactions I think I might a journal.
Well, Being 39, I’ve had Many Years to Understand how People React to JUST Me… So I Choose my First Punitive just outta Curiosity… I Kept Hearing Several Effects for P83 such as Crush Effect, Velcroing, and afew Others… I Thought No Way it’s That Good… It was BETTER then Others Had Stated (For Me)… I Know it’s Different for Others… Infact, I’m Ticked it’s Out Of Stock Right Now… I’d Love to Buy a 30mL or Two…
I’ve Been Seeing that has Been Tested and What the Reviews Say (I’ve Worked up a Chart)… You WILL find Many Differing Accounts and Normally a Common Link… This Gives you an Idea of What to Expect but It Could Work Different on You… Also Some Punitives Work Differently at Different Dosages…
I was the same when it came to choosing P83 it sounded too good to be true. I have been very cautious from the first moment I bought anything from AD because like most things on the internet it sounded too good to be true, but I figured what the hell I had extra money I would try it out. I got hooked real fast, the instant line and A314 are definitely magic. I was so excited with the success I decided to try something that is considered “in testing” lots of people talked about P83, but after reading a few threads I decided to stop reading up on it and just roll with it. I went in with a clear and untainted head to the best of my ability.
I wore it on a not a date with my target, she was so adamant about being friends and even yelled at me when I was going to take a trip across state lines to visit her at school because she thought it was weird for a friend to do that. On the not a date she started out very distant, as the date progressed she really seemed to change her tune and became more flirtatious then I have ever seen her before. Ever since that not a date we have been talking but haven’t gotten together again, but there are so many issues she went 180 on. First off before the not a date I invited her to a house warming at my apartment, she said she would never go because she didn’t want to feel uncomfortable in a group of my friends, being the awkward girl in the corner and nothing I could do would change her mind on the matter, case closed. After the not a date she tells me she is going to come to my party.
It might be a little thing but things have changed between us for the better it seems. It might have been all me and my natural charm and charisma, but I have been out with her before on actual dates and she didn’t show these signs at all. The only variable that has changed is either time passed or the fact I was wearing P83. Still not 100% sure what it does and it is exciting. It is so much better when you do not read up too much on things I have found because you do get a placebo effect, and sure the placebo effect can actually be beneficial on rare occasions but I think it is better not to know. That is what got me to try my first putative and I couldn’t be more happier to be honest.
You’re not alone. I get more consistent positive results with P74 and negative self effects with P78.
P79 has been a head scratcher for me along with P83 (although I still try to believe in it and bought an extra big dose)
I admit that I’ve fallen into the “read it, get preconceptions about it and then buy it.” trap. P79, P83 still mystify me. I once read about p97 being something similar to IO but so far based on my testing, it goes WAY further than that. For that alone, if I had to give up everything but one Putative, I’d hold onto P97. Thankfully in this case, my preconceptions didn’t cloud my testing. Go with what P51 said and stick with the consumer lines for now. The P series can be really tricky and time consuming to figure out.
Ive been using mones for quite some time maybe 3 or 4 years or so. Ive achieve great results with the consumer line, which is why I decided to branch into putatives. I dont post every hit or reaction I receive off mones although i should but I have my own file with my mixes that work and dont work. I dont let other people opinions cloud my judgement when I make a purchase decision nor do I follow the tread on getting whats hot. I tend to do my research and see if this particular product will apply or fit in with my current lifestyle.
That’s cool. I’m just posting my personal thoughts on the matter. It’s more of a general statement to noobs, not to you directly. But you did ask why we chose the putatives that we did, so there’s my answer 
Seriously, I would hold onto p97 if I had to give everything else up. It’s groovy 
P97 is a fantastic molecule … AGREED
Pago
I guess my statement was made in regards to AD product line. At a quick glance I counted 45 putatives but I only here about 74,78,83,86. But the other 41 some old putatives gets no play or research on them. Hell truth be told you was the first one that ever mention P97. So in regards to my OP it was more so was it word of mouth, your own personal research thru this site or was it a blind purchase or freebie from AD.
Yea, usually what happens is someone will get adventurous and try an unknown P series, if they get lucky on it, then the next thing you know, everyone is going after it, as is the case with 74,78,83, 86, 93, 96, etc. 97 I heard about through one of my random “search the forum for reports on all molecules” moods and I found a report that didn’t go into too much detail about it being a possible communication molecule. I was intrigued so I got it and I have had some interesting results with it. I’m still in testing with it and will write up a proper report once I have more data. Otherwise you’re right, it’s not talked about much.
I really like P97, I did a sleeve test on it along with a few others, P83 being included in it, and the only way I was able to tell what P83 was cause of the scent. P97 surprised the heck out of me, and so did P80.
I think it’s the best way to test these molecules out.
P97 is far more effective as Anol. It a icebreaker, I never see approach hits like this as with anol, also much deeper and one of the best none buffers out there.
Together with P96, you have a strong bonding, trusting and social combo. Opens shy girls and you have a better acute sense of humor…
I’m gonna sidetrack quick. Johnny has some good perceptions on the putatives and I’m curious as to the relation of P97/P99/P96 with each other.
I can see a correlation between 97 and 99, but I’ve never tested out 99. Do you feel they are around the same effect range?
I have P79 and P130. The P130 came as a freebie for getting Project UF and the P79 was a random putative I just chose. I wanted to make sure I picked one I haven’t read much about so I could test it without any bias.
Unfortunately both putatives are now out, of stock. Lol