Hi guys,
I’m wondering what would work well with people with brain injuries, mental retardation, autism, etc. and their families (usually tired and stressed out). Mickaelia said IH and IO for dealing with families.
The patients’ brains are wired a little different and some of them are less inhibited than regular folk. Would pheromones help things or just confuse? I’d appreciate if anyone could share from experience or just speculate!
btw, I’m asking for myself and on behalf of a female relative in similar work. Should I also post in the women’s section?
I’ve had some pretty strong and sometimes alarming results from wearing pheros in a MH environment. Its not something I do often but my job does occasionally take me there.
Personally I would go very, very easy here - As you have guessed, some people have or no, or greatly reduced levels of inhibition/control compared to a normal person. Equally, others can go the other way and become cowed and unresponsive when exposed to some phero sigs.
If you are going to look at this approach, I would think that small doses of IS, nols or maybe IG would be the best start.
Pheromones are really unpredictable in an environment like that and I strongly suggest you avoid using them there.
Because the wiring is different the signal your sending often says something different then the intention of the product.
Depending on the specific condition of the people your coming into contact with it can cause exaggerated reactions. You can also inadvertently cause feeling of unease in some resulting in withdrawal and depression. Pheromone users who suffer some more mild conditions often report difficulties getting a handle on the products but at least the user is aware of what is causing sudden change in feelings and have a choice.
The people at this facility will not have that knowledge or choice and are not test subjects nor should they be treated as such.
I was looking for something that might help when working with patients as it can get frustrating for me and them with the communication barriers and expectations. If they cannot show improvement, we have to turn them away. But yes given that reactions are highly unpredictable, I think I won’t except for days when I only deal with colleagues or interviewing families without patients present.
From families, I need accurate information to help me gauge where the patients are so we can treat effectively or refer. Some families are ashamed and/or in denial. I’m still exploring whether mones can get past that and help me help them. The other part is that I’m just past 30, act mature, but have a baby face. With families, that can skew perceptions any which way. Can anyone recommend products or combinations that will make interviewees open and comfortable, balance my baby face but not intimidate or sexualise (families are mostly low income and gone through a lot with the patients; hardened or still fragile)?
Be careful because the effects on Mones on a regular human is still being discovered. Its pathways seem very subconscience obviously, but what neurotransmitters isn’t clear or their pathways to the brain for its changes. With that said, no one in this forum or any scientist out would be able to say for certain that pheromones do or do not have an effect like a regular person… simply because the science hasn’t gone that far with research and doing research with the handicapped in that capacity most likely would never get approved since the benefit of that research just isn’t there…
Long story short, no one can know, just use trial an error and it may end up different with different disorders.
someone with bi-polar in mania probably won’t react to a pheromone let alone severe narcotics haha
I find this interesting on a scientific level considering disabled people such as those you (Yairi) work with would not have been able to survive natural selection and SotF in a historical setting when pheromones would have played a more predominant role in social interaction.
So it would be very interesting to understand the outcome in a modern “disabled” environment of useage in artifical pheromones. The possible interactions could yield some cool results, I could see this being big.
keep me posted if you decide to put this into action
I think a good number of “typically developing” people at my institution wouldn’t survive in harsher conditions
If you don’t mind, do you have a personal, hobbyist, or academic/professional interest in this? Could you try??
I wouldn’t know where to begin establishing baseline. What would be a hit? I’ll have to think on it some more. I’d hate to ruin therapy sessions. I’m experimenting on my colleagues first!
Honestly i have a unique test environment of my own, not like yours would be
mine is full of 90% alpha males as im kind of like a soldier of sort.
so this yields some great experiments too, though i havent done any lately.
The most i have been doing is just wearing ammo every day as a norm. I did however just pickup some chikara, glance, AM, a314 spray, ammo summer, IS and TUTH
Sounds like your a military psychologist maybe working with berets or something of that sort haha
but as far as clinical or even non clinical testing on the disabled… first if your boss found out there might be some serious ethical issues… The benefit of your arguement would be that no one believes this stuff can effect the neurotransmitters anyways… but if it is true and it does effect neurotransmitters it becomes a huge ethical issue. No difference in effecting their neurotransmitters through smell, or a pill… obviously not as strong effects… but who are we to say that without and evidence?
your right yairi, practically… how do you know the effect is that awesome IS or IO or IH your wearing or a severe narcotic they just took? What if they didn’t take their meds… haha you can never know the natural state of their mind to set a baseline for testing with I guess is what I’m trying to say… is it the mones or the ebb and flow of a disability with medication added ha
Yeah, it’s hard to tell even with the general population. Who knows who’s open to what or who’s having a bad day? We have this chatty, friendly supervisor who turned ugly and pissy when he had a cold. Everyone commented on his attitude but the ones who didn’t know he was sick took it personally. If didn’t know and cared what he said, I might think that the mones I wore aggravated him.
I will add though that there is some predictability. No sleep = grouchy kid who’s hard to work with, whether disabled or not. One kid we have is more compliant with therapy work when he’s had some herbal tea. My colleagues say having that tea is pretty predictable of his behavior. It’s not on the charts so it’s more straightforward to think in terms of bad/good days not whether we had tea…
What I’m trying to get at is, yeah finding baseline is hard and there are numerous factors at play, some of which we’ll never know. Yet in the end, it’s results, right? or no
the assumption its the results can be also the assumption correlation=causation… which is absolutely not true…
I can’t say much more in the way of specifics since I don’t know the exact cases you are working with.
difference is… I can have a bad day… these guys are all over the place haha I have a bad day I don’t take a severe anti depressant to get back on track.. so mones may be the only influence that you could see (not that it is the only one theres hundreds haha back to causation correlation stuff)
Personally, as someone who is a health care professional in training, I would not recommend this at all, simply because we do not know how it effects this patient population at all. There are no randomized control trials nor will there be any. Although I understand the importance of getting reliable information to ensure a high standard of patient care, this can be treading into the whole forbidden category.
The reason is that with these pheromones, it may alter the patients moods and feelings and without proper disclosure of the use of these pheromones to the physicians or pharmacists, they will attribute the response of the patient to the intervention itself and the patient may be under treated or over treated as a result. For those that recommended Instant Shine, what if this triggers a manic state in a bipolar patient? Again we don’t know.
Only use this if you know for sure you have 100% no contact with any patients at all. Mental health patients are tough to deal with in general and this is not the approach to take. It is very frustrating, I know, but sometimes it is what it is despite the best of our intentions. We can always delegate and use the resources that we have available, like social workers to help convey the message across.
