Yet another skeptic?

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Hello everyone, first post for me.

So I randomly read about the Athena Institute in an ad in the back of Maxim earlier tonight, and started researching online about pheromones. It’s been about five hours now. All the actual peer-reviewed papers acknowledge the possibility of human pheromones, but it is never confirmed. I know the verification process in science is slow and often behind public acceptance, but given that research in the subject has been ongoing since the 80s, it has made me very skeptical.

Man, I want to believe in this. Sprays that do the work of personal growth and character development for you? Of course the average person is going to assume its too good to be true.

This forum is actually the most convincing thing I’ve found thus far, if only because of the sheer number of members and the variety of opinions and stories. However, there are few things still bothering me which I’m hoping you can help me out with:

1. Lack of external acknowledgment

Most of my internet searches into pheromones result in fake review pages, product marketing sites, and generally dishonest material. In the case of both this forum and the Androtics/SmartMones site, I have had a difficult time finding sources not associated with the company that can provide reviews on their products and information about the organization. Surely if things work out as well as they seem to for the members of this site, word would spread more quickly.

Can anyone provide me with third-party sources to make the site more credible?

2. Affiliation of the forum with a company and product-line

This one should be obvious. A forum chock-full of praise for the company it is inextricably connected with? OK, maybe if the products are really that amazing (in which case, see #1).

Maybe my forum searches haven’t been clever enough, but what about reviews/discussion of the other products out there? Do the members of this forum believe Androtics to be the only/best-by-far company? If not, shouldn’t there be alot more consideration of the other products and companies out there? How about a stickied thread or area about those to avoid?

3. Lack of information within the company website

So I found the following information about the company Androtics itself on their website:

Androtics - 21218 Saint Andrews Blvd. #252 - Boca Raton, FL 33433 - (800) 671-6464

It’s at the very bottom of the page. It’s good to know that the company is in the US (I have naive faith in our government’s regulatory branches), but what else can I find out about it? After all, if these pheromones work, then we’re dealing with serious chemicals with serious effects. Basically, I’m looking for the equivalent of an About Us page, with information on the company, its board, its employees, and the lab. What are the education levels of the lab workers and chemists? Are they PhDs, MDs? Hell, even some pictures demonstrating the professionalism and cleanliness of the labs and employees would go a long way in alleviating concerns.

And speaking of government regulation, is there any oversight to the work done here? I imagine that if the scientific community doesn’t acknowledge the validity of these things you’re not going to have FDA approval, but is there any other third party group (government or otherwise) that monitors, inspects or approves your products? For example, does Andronics have membership in the BBB, and if not, why not?

I hope no one takes my questions and skepticism the wrong way. I also apologize if the answers to any of these questions are obvious and have already been provided. I have absorbed everything I’ve read so far, and my finger is itching the press the place order button. There are just a few grains of salt in my way.

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Hi Smohyee. I was skeptical about the spammy sites and online sex shops that tout messages like “BE BEATING OFF TEH PUSSY WITH A STICK!!!1”, but I was quite interested in the pheromone thing, and reasoned that there must be something, albeit more subtle and interesting, to them, and found a level-headed and very interesting forum here. There are many Androtics fanboys and fangirls here for sure, count me as one, because we like the products and quality of service very much, but one is free to discuss competing pheromone products here too, many do.

The sprays don’t do the work of personal growth and character development for you! You do have to have a good basis on which to build your pheromone signature. Many people here are interested in all sorts of aspects of personal development, and pheromones become part of the package. Indeed they can become a significant part of the package, once you get used to how they work. For peer-reviewed studies into pheromones, check the Studies & Abstracts section if you haven’t done so already. You might find something there.

Pheromone sprays are classified as cosmetics rather than anything medicinal so possibly don’t fall under the aegis of the FDA or other regulatory bodies like that.

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hi smohyee.

a good set of questions for the people in the know about the company and the science surrounding the subject.

i think the reason that the forum is mainly about andriotics products is like you we were all skeptical about those fake review pages that just scream bullshit. we have found a company that has a range of products to steer your desires, whatever they may be, and the products really do what they claim to. in return for good service (including regular freebies) and quality products, we are all helping out to develop the products and contribute to the research.

just dive in and try it and im sure you wont be a skeptic for long.

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I have read in other threads on this forum. About how Andronics concentrate more on the research of their pheromones than profit, which would make them not worry about their competition. As for the lab and staff. Im pretty sure phermones come under the cologne category and as they are ingested which means there are a lot less laws on lab conditions etc.

I could be wrong on all this so if i am please correct me.

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Hey smohyee. Much you like, I’m relatively new to the world of pheromones, indeed I only received my first delivery yesterday and am still to try them out.
Also like you I was very skeptical about the whole thing - there’s so much information on the internet and who’s to say what is genuine and what’s pure fiction designed to part you from your money?
That said, a lot of the stories I’d read on this forum went a long way to making me make my first purchase - my general logic was ‘what have I got to lose?’. The money I spent on my first order I easily get through in a month just by buying crap I really didn’t need, so I figured either these things will work and could go part way to improving the quality of my life, or I’ll simply have a few bottles of cologne if they didn’t.

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Smohyee… if you introduce yourself on the Introductions forum you get a 15$ gift certificate… if you live in the states that should be sufficient to buy a small TOGO of Instant Shine or TUTH or AMMO or Instant Openness + shipping at a cost of maybe 5-10$ (coffee for a couple days).

My suggestion - go introduce yourself, buy TUTH or AMMO and try it out for a couple weeks. Keep realistic of your expectations… realize that it’s not a magic potion that does ALL the work for you and check to see if/how people react differently when you are wearing those products.

THEN if you still aren’t happy and can’t see any results - return the bottle for a 100% refund (see their page) - The refund is legit (the 200% refund takes a little more work - you have to prove you gave it a fair try).

With the 15$ gift cert and the 100% refund guarantee you are essentially getting to try a small TOGO of any product for FREE - If it doesn’t work you will have lost NOTHING except a little time and maybe the cost of a cup of coffee.

Yes there are alot of pheremone products out there… the literature ain’t great and Androtics doesn’t have the most stellar or professional looking company site. Fortunately the products speak for themselves and Androtics HAS gone to great lengths to ensure that skeptical new users get unskeptical without risk.