A journal section

Tisha, i dont have a problem with “reporting.” I have a problem with forms. Dont like filling them. Surely dont like reading them.

I think i post very in-depth on my experiments, frequently with information on my variations, almost always with dosages used, types of people affected, and more. I dont think you can get the gist of whats going on without a context for this type of thing. Theres so much unrecorded information that, unless the observer tries to record it or is stimulated by questions, doesnt come out. For example, with MX203, how could a third party have known to ask about hair and eye color correlation without one of us noting that “they all seemed to be blonde.” Its not just reporting, its not even knowing what to report. Its interaction where this type of research comes up with breakthroughs. Most of my discoveries have come from a basic feeling that theres some kind of pattern forming, then chatting about it here on the forum until -we- have a decent theory on how to identify and explain that pattern. I emphasize the -we- because the ideas i get here often make me go back and think differently.

What do you record when you dont know which data is relevant and which data is noise, knowing that its impossible to just record everything? Asking for dosages and where/how applied makes sense. Asking how long the effects lasted and the range makes sense, but the rest of it cant really be quantified.

From a “research standpoint”, asking for too much conformity means you might miss that one important thing that isnt obvious from linear thought.

Tater makes a living going into companies that are trying to solve a problem, and often end up by telling them that even if they solve the problem correctly, its not the right problem to solve.

See you are misunderstanding me LOL :stuck_out_tongue:

I am not saying that you dont post all the relevant information. You do. I am saying its really hard to find because in your journal you move between different mixes alot which is fine but from a research standpoint its tough to sort out.

I am also not saying that you have to fill out a form or leave out your own personal touch. You just need all explicit details. People who read your report posts, at least the registered users now, have read your journal as well and we know you so it still has that personal touch. For those who dont want to have a journal you can still enjoy there posts and get a glimpse of who they are. Take sheba’s post for example. She dosnt have a journal but her posts are great to read and you get to see a bit of her personality shine though.

I agree with that to a extent but to much information can make you miss that one important thing as well. Especially if you cant find it and I have to admit that I have often tried to refer back to something I remember from your journal because I do value the way your approuch the products, only to spend a half hour looking for it and not being able to find it even with a search.

With a seperate report on each product when I want to find out taters opinion on something I can easily find it. I know you think that the search function should be better but you cant change that its part of the forum service but we can control how things are presented to make it easier to search out. So unless they decide to use another service and so far from what I have seen most search functions in other forums are much the same we have to make do with ours.

I know that you make your living this way and I know your very good at it. I can just tell :wink: But I am sure you also know that sometimes the right problem cant be easily solved so you need to sort out the wrong ones first.

Oh sorry I want to add about the variations. I agree as you use the products for a while you notice patterns but you can always add your observations to your report post on that product and still discuss it in your journal.

Actually it is possible to improve on the search function, and in the thread in the Mens section, I made the following suggestions, and offered my companies services to make the modifications for Androtics, if they so desired.

I just did a advanced search on MX203 and MadisonTate. 2 whole pages of threads came up. If it was in one report his journal and that report would come up and then any other thread that he spoke about that product in but I would be able to clearly see his report thread and find the information I seek about that product easy instead of going through page after page of a journal.

So I dont have a problem with the journal or with anything thats said in it I just think a additional place to find information all in one place is helpful to both Androtics and members.

Its because I value that info that I want to be able to find it.

Mark that would be great but its up to Androtics. Still wont help if people dont want to post a report though.

I think some people are looking at it like its some form they need to fill out which again is probably my fault, I think I will just delete the “how to report” post I made. Although I did say its just a example of the information needed in a report. They can still right it in any style they choose.

Tisha

It would be great to be able to download the full text of search results in html or rtf format ready for printing/downloading. It’s often easier to filter loosely and then eyeball the text for interesting sections rather than trying to find the perfect search criteria.

This would also make it easier to create archives of the collected wisdom of tacitus, tisha, steveo etc as they do at other forums…

I love this BPAL forum for how well it is organised. I wish Pherotalk had a section like this.
BPAL Madness! -> Reviews

I also created this forum for that very reason.
smellscent :: Index
Although it’s a bust and I doubt there ever will be any more traffic to it, but it is here to just give you a hint about what I would like to see.

A section where posts are centered on a single product/mix/putative. Any combinations etc. can be posted in the usual places like it is being done now.

just in case you didn’t know - your blog is invite only right now

I know 'Quirk. I am just trying out a new format. If you want access in the meantime please let me know your gmail ID (blogspot requires that), so I can send you an invitation.

The link I posted above is for the forum which is open to see for anyone.

OK the ladies now have a journal section

Thank you steveO :wink:


"A section where posts are centered on a single product/mix/putative. Any combinations etc. can be posted in the usual places like it is being done now."

I agree nbully. That would be a much more organized way to get info from the forum. It is so hard to get all the info for a specific product by just searching the threads/posts.

Yay PQ! If we cant have a better search engine, just let me download the content and go from there.

I often set my post/view to 100 and grab the threads that may have what I’m looking for, but everytime someone posts, my copy is no longer up-to-date.

Now…if only we can get a woman to post a journal in the new section…

I will start one. Don’t have anything to put in it right now.

So first, a title. I’m thinking Kitten’s Kinky? Krazy? Kooky? Kraptacular? K… what else starts with K? Karnival? Kapers? Konundrums? Kangaroos? I need an adjective and a noun that start w K… See, this is hard already.

Kittens Kinky Knoodlefest :slight_smile:

On the downside, I just noticed what the initials would be. Maybe want to reconsider the whole name thing.

How about we go with KAT instead: Kittens Adorable Testing.

Or KIT: Kittens Illicit Testing

I moved my intro thread up there. Now I just need to go out of the house and I’ll have something to report. Ah, vacation.

Tisha, sorry it took me a few days to respond…didn’t mean to leave you hanging, my dear. I only had time, over Christmas, to briefly check my email when I saw your post.

((((Tish)))), I’m sorry too!! I welcome and respect your opinion…ALWAYS!!..and don’t you ever forget it! :slight_smile:

You ((((guys and ladies)))) here are great! Our secret little enclave is the bomb!! I would never want to deliberately hurt anyone…

I know we are all free to speak…I could have chosen my words more carefully, sigh…

I know what you mean about being misunderstood… :confused:…and I’m sure at some point, during my time here, it will happen again… :smiley:

I also know, any attempt on my part, to further clarify my statements will be met with the same reactions…therefore a moot point. I move on…

and will still continue to report my 'Adventures In Pheroland"…and relate anecdotal stories as they pertain to my use of pheromones.

My best always,

Bella :wink:

Bella

I am so happy to see you here. :smiley:

I was hoping it was the holidays that kept you busy the last few days and not some stupid thing I said. I really respect your opinion as well and look forward to your posts. I also love your sense of humor.

Sometimes conveying what you mean in a forum is tough LOL

I hope you had a great holiday.

Tisha

OK Group hug people (((((((Forum)))))))

I don’t read journals as a rule (though Tater’s is amusing, I didn’t read it after the first week or so). I’m more interested in product-oriented feedback than in following an individual’s pherojourney in a novelistic way. And frankly, I think some of them ARE novels.

Some of the writers here are so insightful though … chirimoya, sigma, vkat, quirk … I’ll read whatever they write, in whatever format! If they blogged I’d be hooked, most likely. So guys, please don’t blog, I’m on the internet too much as it is. :o

Mark-In-Dallas and whoever quoted him: “*T**hen the search tool could easily be modified to add “Search Titles”.”

*It can’t be. That is what Tisha was trying to say. That level of coding is not accessible to the board’s owners. This is InvisionBoard (I think); a pre-programmed software with so many configurable options, much like Windows which is why many people use Linux instead. It is entirely possible that no one running this board has any programming knowledge whatsoever, not even HTML, and if that is the case they couldn’t modify it even if the did have full access to the coding. If they do have advanced programming knowledge, they could, theoretically, design and code their own entire board, but in addition to being a bit excessive it would also mean that everything currently on the board would be deleted.

I don’t think a form is a problem; it doesn’t mean you have to fill it. You can report in way way you wish and it is not REQUIRED (I don’t know for sure if that’s how it would be intended but if not then the “not required” part is a suggestion), but a form is a good idea for new people if they are either stupid or overlooked some things and can’t figure out what details they should report. And one of the parts on that form can be, “Anything else interesting, unusual, or facts we might need to know?” Also when you are reporting without a form, you might end up with something irrelevant.. such as the color of their hair. It was what I personally thought about this but the community in general also seemed to agree, that it is the personality or culture of a person that will determine how they react to something and not their eye, hair, or skin color. There were at least 6 different threads which I personally saw that discussed this, and all of them seemed to come to that conclusion expect for one where I am not sure if a consensus was reached in. And since hair color has nothing to do with personality, that would be a coincidence and therefore irrelevant. Conversely, maybe the blonde people in that setting had a specific personality because of social things at that place that invovled being blonde. But it is probably part of the researcher’s job to sort out the things that are irrelevant.

Stories should however actually give a much better indication then non-emotional facts. Pheromones are a behavio-oriented science, and therefore the longer story you get and more personal, that probably gives better information in most cases. Not so much so as psychology, of course, but let’s say you report that you used a pheromone on your boyfriend, so it’s only one subject, and it had the effect of making him cum really freakin’ hard when you had sex that night. If you report it in a “factual” format, that is all you will say, but if you report it in a story format then it is far more likely that you will mention the fact that you had an intense conversation which worked out the one long-standing problem you’d had in your relationship beforehand, and that in addition to that he hadn’t had sex or masturbated in two weeks which is a really long time for him. In that case, the fact of how much he came most likely had little if anything to do with the pheromone, but you wouldn’t know that unless you read it in a story.

Also this may not work, but if the board search is being difficult you can try Google with the site: modifier. Or jut Google in general if there happens to be another site with relevant information which I have found a couple of times.

“It’s often easier to filter loosely and then eyeball the text for interesting sections rather than trying to find the perfect search criteria.”

Uh… try control + F.. then you don’t need to look through as much… also… if you can look through a text file of the topics, you can also look through the topics as they are on your screen… and also.. that level of coding is probably also not accesible to them.

" A section where posts are centered on a single product/mix/putative"

People already make topics like that.

As for journal sections in general… I have always thought to have a “journal section” on a board as stupid, because if somebody ants a public journal, they can have a blog, and if they don’t have a blog, they don’t ant one. But, in the case of this forum, it is a bit different, because no one is going to post a bunch of pheromone-related things in their blog. (Especially if they are not wanting the target(s) to know about I and the target is not an acquaintance. Although if the target is your boyfriend I would hope he’d know about it!)

Sorry if this post is a bit late, I just got the e-mail notifying of replies to this topic because I have over 100,000 e-mails right now. I thought the parts about reporting and forms could still be relevant because even if a decision has been reached, on something like that, any new input is always good as long as it’s not an exact copy of hat someone else had already said.

lol Carrie, I agree with you on some of that… people tell me “If my post is too long you don’t have to read it”… but… if it’s a main forum, I DO have to read it… make a point to read all threads… otherwise… people will think I’m an idiot hen I missed a discussion. And even more so for blogs… hat is the point of having a person on your MySpace friends’ list in the first place if you are not reading every blog they post?