A~none, A~rone, Beta-Androstenol, P83...

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Seriously. If you have the means and the know how, try this simple composite. It is basically just Ammo with Beta-androstenol instead of Alpha-Androstenol and the addition of P83 but ohhhh…

Here is what I put together in a combination of neroli and grapefruit scents (6%)-

Androstenone 3 mcg
Androsterone 7.5 mcg
Beta-Androstenol- 10 mcg
P83 7.5 mcg

The results are remarkably similar to the SAM mix (Thanks again for the name K-Train) but I really think I like this one even better! Give it a go and see what you think of it.

I have seen a lot of interest from women (I had a woman I’d met for the first time 10 minutes prior give me her phone number.) I get a lot of looks (as in looks up and down like I’m a piece of meat- ladies, I know a lot of you don’t like that but I have to tell you, it does wonders for the self esteem). Try this. Once you begin talking to someone they will not want you to leave.

The Androstenone gives this a sexual drive but also seems to help people see the wearer as a bit more masculine and of higher importance.

The Androstenone helps with the VIP vibe. Giving the sense of an approachable alpha male and seems to help people feel more comfortable around the wearer.

Beta-androstenol gives people a feeling of being connected to the wearer. More than just the ‘truth serum’ effect. Makes people feel comfortable and less inhibited. Combined with…

P83 disinhibits people both verbally as well as physically. I LOVE the combination of P83 (when it is in stock) with Beta-androstenol. It is almost as if the P83, Beta-androstenol and Androsterone give the wearer a sort of mystical, fascinating aura about them that others find very irresistable. When combined with the Androstenone it pushes it more sexual.

Try it and see for yourselves. After one day wearing this, I know I like it. :slight_smile:

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Alright Snoop! Looks like a great simple little mix! Beta-nol FTW!!!:smiley:

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Sounds interesting. I would really like to try this, but I don’t have all the supplies. If you don’t have the Androstenone, Androsterone, and Beta-Androstenol from the experimone series and have p83, do you think this would be a similar mix?

1x TUTH
1-2x IG
1-2x IH
7.5mcg P83

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The actual ratios will be a bit different but that should approximate it. I wore 3 sprays of my mix just to give you an idea of how many sprays to go with Give it a go and see what you think! :slight_smile:

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Hey! Uncannily I was thinking of doing something almost EXACTLY the same. I’ve even noted down the ratios I’ve worked out using the mix calculator in prep!

I had a “comfort Ammo” idea in my mind - one that is predominantly comforting and encourages closeness. This is what I was thinking:

-none
-rone
b-nol
P83
[so far the same as yours - great minds think alike!]

but I’m going to add in some A1 too. I’m just waiting for my order to arrive so I can get mixing :slight_smile:

Will post up how I get on. I love it when a few people all have the same idea :cool:

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Hey snoop sorry if this is a stupid question, but if I was gonna try the mix that snorida mentioned that is similar to yours…would that mean I would multiply his numbers by 3 to equal your 3 sprays? So I would use 3 sprays of TUTH, etc…? Thanks

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Just to avoid any oD possibilities I’d say go with-

1x TUTH
1-2x IG
1-2x IH
7.5mcg P83

(or some variation of) and see if you feel the need or desire to up the amounts. :slight_smile:

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Oh ok thanks…the only reason I thought it might be multiplied was because I usually use around 20-30mcg of p83. Would that be too much in this particular mix u think?

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I don’t think it would be too much (I tend to usually use a LOT of P83 when it is in stock) but if you try it, please let us know how it goes! :slight_smile:

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Okay I will try it out this wkend at one of our gigs and I’ll report back asap! Thanks again :slight_smile:

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I thought about making an ammo clone with bnol a while ago. I have all the required ingredients but don’t know the correct ratios. A little math help would be greatly appreciated. :slight_smile:

P83 @ 30.0 mcgs.
Rone @ 12.5 mcgs.
None @ 25.0 mcgs.
Bnol @ 50.0 mcgs.

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Better than SAM? Wow. This must ROCK then! When my B-Nol gets here I will have to mix up a batch of this as well! Another home run my friend!

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Very Interesting Mix. Two things jump out at me when I look at the ratios:

  1. More rone than none
  2. Lower dose of P83 than most people on this forum use.
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Personally, I like larger doses of Rone compared to None. A314 is that way, but for me a ratio 2:1 Rone to None feels like it gives me the most natural confidence boost and best results.

He said he used 3 sprays so that is 22.5 mcg P83. Not that far off from most others uses I do not think. :slight_smile:

Edit: Just got email. B-NOL is in the mail for delivery on Monday!

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Assuming your mix figures are per spray and you did 3 sprays that would total of

Androstenone 9 mcg
Androsterone 22.5 mcg
Beta-Androstenol- 30 mcg
P83 22.5 mcg

Which if substituting would be

3-4 x TUTH

which seems a lot?

Not sure mcg is for IG IH x2 per spray

Or are you figures the total of 3 sprays?

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Sorry I didn’t see this post before. The totals you listed above are the total amounts I wear at 3 sprays.

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I have this in a spray version as well as an oil base (what I wore today)and I wore it today covered with Pendragon from an ‘unmentionable place’. I decided to call this mix SAM2 just because.

Product name,scent and strength
SAM2 (oil based and MUCH stronger than original)
Pendragon oil based roll on cologne combined at 20% by volume

Application dosage and locations
~2 inches to the top of each hand (and then spread out)
~1 inch to each side of the neck

Enviroment tested in.
Various stores
Mall food court

Self effects.
One word. SWAGGER. :cool: I felt confident, strong and masculine. Also less inhibited in what I’d say (but it seemed to come out in a more jokingly funny way).

Effects to others
My GF was really digging the scent and kept sniffing me. She was in a good mood to begin with because I was taking her to spend money but she got very flushed after just a few minutes in the car. ‘Is it hot in here?’ Nope- just you, Honey. :smiley: Even from my GF who knows me I was seeing status hits in the form of being more deferential to me. She chose to hold a door for me which is not normal for her.

A store clerk that I interacted with started out politely detached and then followed us around trying to talk to me about things that were not related to what we were shopping for. (GF got mad and asked, ‘What are you, the Pied Piper?!!!’) As you can tell that wasn’t the first person who did that today. My GF has also noticed that other times when we go out I attract more of a crowd than is normal. I’ve also been told I have that sort of magnetic personality but truth be told, I don’t see it. :cool:

Just in general the day went very smoothly while we were out. I saw a lot of eye contact from women, respect from men. Men in particular stepped aside when I was coming or were VERY polite and helpful (reminded me of MX292/MX353 in how guys will go far out of their way to be helpful.)

Duration of effects.
At least 3 hours

Effects from mixing with other products.
The Pendragon does a fantastic job of covering any phero funk.

Range
No more than about 8 feet maximum

Time exposure.
It is hard to gauge because some hits seemed to come at the 8’ mark and immediate. Other people seemed to react after around 15 seconds or so.

This is such a wonderfully simple composite that even in spray form just rocks out loud. Great status, attraction, comfort, etc. Everything in a simple composite that is easy to make. :slight_smile:

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Pendragon? Never heard of that scent before. Anyway, great job Snoop. I must say I’m very impressed with your oil mixes. I just wish Androtics sold more oil based products with ingredients like these hint hint, wink wink, nod nod

EDIT: One question I do have for you Snoop is this; out of the 3 oil products you’ve used (ICM 1b., ICM 0.25 and SAM2) which one do you prefer or seem to get the best/most consistent results from?

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I’ve actually only reported on a few of the oil mixes I’ve tried and honestly, it’d be a tossup because they all work well for attraction/status, etc. ICM 1b (the batches I made that have a less insane amount of P83 than the first batch I made) is probably my favorite by a small margin. Largely because it can be worn around anyone without fear of ~none issues.

As well balanced as the ~none composites are I do find that occasionally my GF (or any women I know) react a bit less positively to ~none during that time in their cycle. Not to say that they get ‘RAWWWWWR!’ It just seems to make them feel less comfortable. Never had that problem with P83. :slight_smile:

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I agree. I remember a while back androtics was thinking about using P83 as a -none replacement in Ammo to reduce the chance of " ‘RAWWWR’ ":wink:. It’s one of the reasons I’m very careful how I wear -none and also why I always carry some A1 in my pocket just in case.