Whats up yall, I wanted to get your opinion on something.
So it seems to me like something thats mentioned a lot on the forum is that you need to be congruent with the phero sig you’re giving off. Recently though, I’ve been wondering if it might not be better to use pheremones to “make up for what you’re missing” so to speak.
For example:
I’m more of a relationship person, so I feel like wearing something like ammo or a mix with none in it will help me to attract girls to me initially, after which I already have the personality to keep them around.
Compared to somebody who is more of a one night stand guy; You might know all the right moves and the right things to say, but inevitably you’re gonna run into a girl who isn’t comfortable with you yet, so it might benefit you to be wearing something like IG or A314 so you seem a little more trustworthy.
I just wanted to get some expert opinions on this theory
I’ve thought about this, and honestly I think it could work either way…in fact I think in a lot of ways your suggestion might be the better option. Instant Jerk for example is a pretty aggressive product. Now on the one hand coming off very cocky funny, escalating kino aggressively, and maybe even being a little physically competitive with other guys “hey bro, let’s arm wrestle, loser buys the next round”…might be congruent, but coupled with the signal it could possibly be too much.
However on the flip side, somebody using A314 and not acting, or even knowing how to act more alpha will not be able to carry the signal. If a woman shit tests you and you buckle then yeah the A314 helped you seem alpha…for a moment or two, but now it’s wasted and she will think that her initial impression of you was simply an error in judgment on her part.
I think a lot of it does depend on the specific person/product situation.
For example, in my situation, I feel like AMMO would do a much better job attracting girls to me in the short-term, whereas IG wouldn’t work as well in that regard, but the ones who I do end up with are going to want something extremely long-term.
I feel like your example was a good one too. If someone wears IJ, and they’re already “that guy” it’s gonna turn them into a complete character. Probably 4 out of every 5 people they meet will think he’s an absolute douchebag, that 5th person is gonna think he’s the coolest guy ever, but it will definitely leave a lasting impression. I can’t imagine that image would be useful anywhere but a party or a club, but in those two situations, it would probably work extremely well if thats what you’re going for.
And yeah, if you’re wearing A314 and not being alpha, that’s just not gonna work out for you.
I think it might be better to enhance your good points.
Girls know no guy is perfect, and they are willing to value some qualities over others when selecting a guy. If you are a one night stand kind of guy, maybe you should use tuth so you stand out more for the girls looking for a one night stand
if youre a relationship guy, maybe you should use IG or some of the mx’s (i forgot which on gives off a boyfriend vibe) and make it more evident to girls looking for an LTR
I think if you enhance bad points too much, you may become a bit incongruent at first. Of course you can change thos personality traits over time that you lack, but I think enhancing your good points will help your congruency more whn you are new to mones
Here is a post from Sebastian that seems to make the case that in some cases it is better to amplify one particular strength so that secondary characteristics (like race) will hardly even matter. He is not talking about pheromones, but it may work in that case as well - the pheromone may allow someone to extend their strengths (say either power or charisma) into true ‘overdomination’:
The thing to remember about mones like A314 is that it will help you to get to that level of congruency if you’re not. I don’t believe most experienced users mean that you can only be congruent with it for it to work. It still works regardless if you are on or not. It’s still helping you get there and building your confidence and the ALPHA man in you.
However though, most guys want results, because we are impatient. We attempt to take the easy way out and instead of working on ourselves, we want to believe mones will do all the work. So we spray ourselves and expect! It’s then we realize hey I have to work at it.
It’s just like the gym at the beginning of the year. There are the goal setters who are all gung ho who go in thinking yeah I have a goal, I’m going to do this only to discover that to get to the goal they have to work and work hard at that. They fail when they realize it doesn’t happen that way. Then you have the guys who go to the gym not because they set a goal, but rather they have decided to change their lifestyle. They know to get anywhere they have to change themselves and regardless of how hard it is, they go in and do it.
So in that instance pheromones work the same way. In order to get congruent you’ll need to change your lifestyle and this takes time. Its not going to happen overnight. You build on it, and mones are just a part of that process.
Most guys want instant results but are not willing to put in the effort. A minority of men in this world make the changes to their lifestyle to become the leader of men. They use all the tools they are given, mones are one of many. Becoming congruent is the ability to recognize that it doesn’t happen overnight and to use this new data to continue to progress. In that sense congruency is a building process one-on-one with each bit of data. To me anyway.
I believe in what Steve has said. 4 months ago I was a shy guy who was a push over and backed down a lot during confrontations. Now after experimenting with the Instant line A314, NPA, A1 and P series. There has been much improvement. I’m still a shy guy but I’m more inclined to put my foot down or put it up someone’s ass. I’m much more open and I smile a lot more than the doom and gloom look. Like every fitness regiment, it requires a support group. Pherotalk is my support group. For those reading this, experiences like mines takes time. I hope you take time to experiment and not rush to conclusions and have fun.
For me pheromone use was a tool of self discovery. Learning that I WAS the guy that could wear A314 with ease, that I WAS the guy who could liven up the party with IO, that I WAS the guy who could comfort a lady with IFM or star in the show with Ishine; learning these things about myself got me to where I wanted to be in my life. Do both, enhance your strengths with mixes you find a natural affinity to, but learn to work those that don’t seem to fit so well also. The reward is becoming one hell of a great guy!
Yea I definitely agree. Also I want to say that no matter how much you amplify your strengths, there may be a deal breaker that you possess that needs to be compensated for.
For example you may give out a ‘creepy’ vibe. Women need to feel safe with someone of course for them to go the whole hog. If you cannot make them feel safe and comfortable then no amount of being alpha and wearing A314 or whatever will help you get ‘close’ to them.
In such a case, the more friendly molecules should help quite a bit (like Instant Openness or if you really have a Clint Eastwood effect, TAK or Androstadienone).
So it’s always a balance there. Make sure you are as Alpha as possible but at the same time make sure you have any dealbreaker issues covered!
Good to see Renny around with good advice like the old days.
This is something I too have thought about. I think congruence is important with A314 but at the same time if you’re wearing a designer suit and a watch worth 20k you won’t need quite as much help appearing “high status”. In that way I do believe it is actually helping to cover a “deficiency” of sorts.
Since I just recently finished watching the Super Bowl, I think a good analogy would be running backs in football. You have power backs, speed backs, and balanced backs. If you look at the rushing leaders from year to year, each guy gets it done a little differently. In the end I think it’s best to aspire to be great in all areas (and to work towards bettering yourself in these areas and not try to rely on pheromones, as has been said) and I prefer a balanced mix but there are always situations where it’s best to use more beta-nol or more a-nol or more -none or more -rone.
