Putting the cart before the horse

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports
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I came across this post from MHarris, about how 'mones can help, but only if men act like men;

"Men need to stop acting like women with pheromones, and remember to keep acting like men. Pheromones don’t flip nature upside down and around. They make you more “attractive”, but not in the same way that women are “attractive”.

Women Attract with a capital A. Attraction is a verb for women. It’s a primary function, it’s something they actively do.

Men are attractive, and it’s very much a side effect of what they do and who they are. It’s almost always second to their actions. It’s reinforcement.

The meek shall inherit the earth, but meek men won’t inherit sexual love. There’s no eros for the passive man, except as a rare fluke, or what’s called a mercy ****

Pheromones on men don’t actually attract action from women as much as they help to “seal the deal”, after the man himself acts/initiates. They help women (or whomever) to accept your advances.

On a woman, it’s different. Women Attract. Attraction for a woman is their form of aggression. They’re meant to be approached.

Women attract, men act.

Put another way…
Women Attract Men, Men Act towards Attractive Women.

Another…
Women Attract Men and Inspire Men to Act Towards them (and then Accept or Deny those Actions based on that man’s appeal/“attractiveness”), and Men Act towards Attractive Women

I’m just saying, if you want to get the kind of attention and responses that women typically get from men, you have your job cut out for you. I don’t accept that job. However, I’ll give you the easy to use tools require to figure that out for yourself.

On the other hand, if you want to drastically reduce rejection, and increase compliance with your requests and advances… then I am your guy, and I already have some of those solutions premixed in a bottle."

So MHarris is saying that us guys are mistaken if we think that wearing 'mones is going to make women approach us. As men, we have to do the approaching first. Only then will the 'mones give us an edge, and help to reduce rejection.

Just some food for thought.

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I find wearing p75 increasing this ACTION component of a man. Its a DO IT mone, not passive in nature… I love P75. It may be rather harsh sometimes but it helps enforce the I am a leader and will initiate with everything vibe.

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Yes, and it’s also possible to create a presence–a blend of pheromones, style and personality–that some women will find fascinating and mysterious. Many women will not approach this type of man. Some, however, are lured by curiosity and will seek and investigate. If the signature is not belied by some weak, superficial game…if there is actually some depth and mystery beneath the pheromones, it can work out quite well. These women are not typical. They’d be either very horny or very curious. For the rest, one needs to approach.

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dsouza,

thanks for your reply. I take your point that some 'mones can influence the wearer due to self-effects; for example, A314 is reputed to help with confidence and self-belief if worn regularly for several weeks or longer.

Do you use P75 on its own? I was wondering about the difference between A314 and P75, as A314 is a blend of something like 9 to 12 molecules. Just wondering if it might send out too much of a “father” signal for older men targeting younger women, whereas P75 is more just “masculine and large”.
But I would think that P75 needed something to steer it, such as Instant Shine in work situations, or P83 for social situations.

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Ragnar, from what I remember, your younger women are bang-in the age range where an A314 based signature can be superbly effective - unless your latest targets have dropped a decade or two?

Its not just that they are younger - women do tend to mature into liking certain pheros as they age, so a signature that might be too dad-like for a late teenager to mid twenties woman can often be a lot more attractive to one a few years older and possibly for very different reasons - the “experience” and knowing exactly what you want and how to do/get it aspect is maybe more in play here IMO. Even then, you can still be confounded by exceptions at any age and how you handle that signature and keep it from going the wrong way is also very important in helping the outcome along.

Any Androsterone/P75 is apt to be very serious/studious/determined and certainly man of true action vibe but it also tends to be staid and not very fun IME, so yes steering is important - IS and P83 are both very useful with A314 but neither will do a lot for P75 alone without some other social in there.

As for pheros not helping women approach - no! I’ve had more than enough instances of women opening/approaching me and going from that to some form of romantic action, from outright flirting to full sex in no time flat since I started with pheros and far more regularly than I ever had before, except maybe my late teens/early 20s which was very much in a different world sexually/culturally from now.

Most of these have been with an A314-based signature and notably, most have been with more mature women - mostly 30+ (youngest was 24 though) who are more likely to respond well to it. My instances of younger women responding well have mainly been with different and far more social mixes.

There is also another critical factor with phero use - Stop overthinking and just go-with it! Whichever way they ultimately work, pheros do help set the mood and you need to be ready to capitalise on it with some alacrity. :slight_smile:

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Mobocaster,

you have a good memory! Yes my target is almost 40, but the significant point for me is that I am 15 years older than her and don’t want to come over as her “dad”. That’s why I’m a little hesitant about A314. At work, I’ve been using one drop, divided between my ears, for 3 weeks, with some Shine and some Honesty, but I’m getting the feeling that I’m becoming too alpha for her. That’s why I was considering switching to P75 + P83 (at 2.5mcg / 25 mcg), with double strength Shine to keep things light. Maybe she just needs a bit more time to get used to the A314 signature?

The point about MHarris’ post was that the men still have to make the first moves, in his opinion, then the 'mones help with attraction after that. It’s interesting that you feel that it’s possible to get women to do the approaching first. Does this relate to alpha women only?

Thanks for your input!

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Stop overthinking and just go-with it!

SO VERY POSSIBLE! And no matter what people tell you, they do! :wink:

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Unless she is some truly fucked-up forty year old, she will not take A314 this way. The guys who run the greatest “dad” risk here are those dating much younger women - and nearly always girls in their late teens/twenties, who have yet to mature out of a broader social/sexy signature into a status/overt sexual. Once into the thirties and above, this will not normally be a problem.

Similarly young guys often make the mistake of assuming the serious/relationship vibe of A314 will always be good around younger women - not all of them are at that stage and a great many are just looking for fun and pleasure without anything more themselves. Again, this can lead to problems with the signature being taken the wrong way.

No, the longer you leave exposure without acting on it, the more she gets all too used to it and you get friendzoned. I would not deviate too much from your A314 signature now - Steer it with a fairly overt sexual and yes, something light like IS or disinhibiting like P83 - P75 might be useful in here too but I’d try not to overcomplicate it.

Interesting point about Alpha women - there might be something to it as most of them were self-reliant/professional types and yes very comfortable with expressing and making the most of what they wanted with a like-minded and unashamed of it guy. However there were some who were affected in a different and maybe less alpha way.

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I use p75 on its own sometimes for self effects. But by the time I want to meet up with a girl I like I wait 2-3 hrs for the 75 to let lose its even temper and then I add in ammo and socials.

Good luck.

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The most powerful mones for self effects (for me) are a314 and p75.

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Thanks guys. Appreciate the replies. :wink:

Mobo, she’s certainly not “fucked up”, although she is still dealing with a ton of crap from her divorce a year ago. Her ex. (from Glasgow) still tries to control her. Now I think about it, she’s probably more of a beta character, which means she’s less likely to make the first move compared to an alpha personality. That post from MHarris at the start of this thread made me think about this.

I’ve probably been drowning my A314 over the last 3 weeks, as I’ve also been wearing P75/P83 mix, Ammo, Shine and Honesty! I’ve noticed the best reactions when I’ve gone heavy on the Shine and light on the others. So at work I’m going to drop the P75/P83 mix and the Honesty, (we’re very well bonded!), and just continue with one drop of A314, one spray of Ammo 2x, and 2 sprays of 2x Shine. I’ll top up the Shine through the day.

I’ve taken her out for lunch several times recently, & we’ve talked about how much we enjoy each other’s company and how well we get on. Tomorrow, I’m going to tell her I want to take her out for dinner one evening next weekend. That’s when I’ll tell her I think we’d be good in an exclusive LTR.
Making progress. :slight_smile:

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Interesting - I’ve had some interesting experiences of women with a history of controlling/abusive relationships and an A314 signature is apt to hit them in some slightly disturbing (good and bad) ways. They certainly can become much more open to suggestion but the downside is that a severe sig like A314/P75 can affect them the wrong way and actually make them expect you are going to do the same again.

And spare me from bloody Glasgow “hardmen” - There is a reason I keep a distance from one side of my family! The one thing is that despite the front, a great many of them are beta (or worse) in the extreme.

Yes, I can see how your mix could be a bit much but it depends on how you build/steer it across the day and IMO the P83/IH components are useful, especially for bonding and connecting - Maybe you could think on uncomplicating it by backing-off the Ammo/P75, in favour of a smaller amount of TUTH if you have it - There is already good moderation in the mix and despite already bonding, the A314/IH/IS element is a good one for getting a deep and very pleasurable connection that can easily be steered in the right ways - and P83 helps make it physical very nicely! :slight_smile:

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Ha ha - “Glasgow hardmen” - I thought that might strike a chord! However, the guy is (no joking) 6’ 5" and about 95kg, and very intimidating.

I appreciate your comments, as my own feeling was to just go with just A314 with 3 sprays of 2x Shine. I was still getting hits with the P75/P83 combo in addition, but I could just feel that there was something a bit too intimidating for her.

So you feel A314 steered with Shine and Honesty with (say) 25mcg P83 would be less aggressive for her through the day? ie. drop the Ammo and P75.

When you mention a small dose of TUTH, I assume you mean for after work?

Cheers