An experiment in aggression results in surprise

At the risk of upsetting those who might find “aggression by design” upsetting, I put forth the following report to, hopefully, prompt further report into the “negative” cognitive states. To make a long introduction less boring let me just say that this past Thursday I whipped up a pheromone mix for a friend of mine who plays football, with the intention of enhancing his performance by, a) raising the user’s aggression and b)eliciting a fear response from those around the user. My reasoning for why this might improve my friend’s football game is obvious. Anyway, this is the mix:

2 ml NPA, undiluted
1 ml EW, 1:20 dilution in EtOH
.5 ml A314

Initially, I had no intention of using this mix myself, but it seemed like an interesting idea regardless. Despite the best laid plans of mice and men, I ended up using it anyway. I was actually surprised at the intensity of the user effects. I have so far experienced definite increases in aggression, confidence/poise, narcissism and auditory acuity. More importantly, I have been truly shocked at both how striking and diverse my results have been. The most remarkable of which are as follows:

1.) Our first account begins in Starbucks, where I was discussing pheromones and Game with my friend, P. He asked me what my best hit was. Pausing, I told him of my most memorable hit, that being an almost endless sequence of IOIs from a short and very sexy redhead. I added that my (at the time) incredibly poor game resulted in her completely ignoring my subsequent advances. No sooner than that, the late-middle aged couple behind us started to laugh hysterically. I was paying no attention and did not even notice until P leaned to the side (almost as if to hide), turned red as a beat and, in so many words, told me to stop talking because I was being laughed at. Feeling a little self conscious, I decided to take a chance, as it were; So, I applied 1 spray of my Aggromix to each shoulder and a third spray directly to my face, inhaling through my nose while doing so. Taking effect about 25 seconds later, the Aggromix caused what I would describe as a “wave” of physical pressure centered at my solar plexus, but expanding peripherally (like throwing a stone into a still pond) out to my shoulders and naval. Couple this with a heightened sense of hearing that almost seemed to slow the perception of time, a la the movie 300. After being aware of this feeling for a minute or two, I stood up and turned around to face my amused critics. The man would not make eye contact, but the woman looked up at me for a moment and quickly turned away with a distressed look on her face. At which point I sat down to resume my conversation, only to realize I had been making my friend P so nervous that he thought I, “might snap at any second.” Over the next twenty to thirty minutes I would turn in my seat and gaze at this woman (again, the man did not reciprocate eye contact) several times, with similarly results. After a little while, P had to leave and after bidding him farewell, I proceeded to order another passion tea. The barista, E, with whom I’ve become fairly well acquainted, was unusually engaging, asking about how I was and how my night had been. E stood there and talked to me with a huge grin on his face the whole time he was making the tea. Once he finished, I took out my wallet and started to pay when he said, “Ah no man, it’s on the house, enjoy!” I asked if he was sure and he said he was, so I thanked him and promptly left. Now, admittedly, that was not the first time I have been given a free drink at this particular starbucks (but the other time I was also wearing lots of -none), just never by this particular barista.

I am sorry for all the extraneous details above, so I’ll just give highlights for the second sequence of hits:

2.) The following Saturday I spent the evening at an Italian Rossini Festival with a friend of mine, whom I’ll call J. This time I applied 2 sprays to my shoulders and another 2 to my face, inhaling them once again. Within an hour of application, I had two different older women (early fifties and mid-fifties to early-sixties, respectively) compliment my appearance, completely independent of each other. The first looked up at me and smiled as I passed her on the sidewalk and said, “That’s a nice shirt!” to which I replied, “thank you,” and kept on walking. The second was slightly more than an hour after the first, except this one actually stopped in the road, (which was blocked of cars and almost devoid of people) smiled and said, “You look very handsome!” This time I completely turned around to face her and responded “Well, thank you very much!” A few minutes after this, J and I went to a local “mom and pop” coffee bar. I actually forget their exact words, but two other older women also complimented my shirt specifically, one of them was a barista and the other being a patron. What was most interesting here was the behavior of the second barista, a much younger woman (early to mid 20s). She stood at the very back of the behind-the-counter area, as far from me as she could stand. I would be certain this was the fear response I was originally expecting, were it not for her constant gazing at me. I made eye contact with her 3 different times, and she would immediately look away only to look back once I broke eye contact myself. With hindsight, I have to wonder if perhaps she was swooning, not afraid. Not that I don’t think there was any fear in her behavior. Just that her fear was actually approach-anxiety over an inapproachable male, not fear over a potentially violent male. But then again, I’m just speculating.

I am sorry to make such a long post, but I am quite interested in any feedback. Though I am particularly interested in advice on lowering the potential for antagonism from other males (or females for that matter), my main goal at this point is lowering the approach-anxiety induced in younger women while maintaining the “larger than life” vibe I feel this mix im parts.

yeah i really feel a testosterone surge wearing cops…good for working out…i find PCC to be a gentler product than EOW or SOE/w is good too…so you may want to add IO to this mix for a bit of buffering…ie. greaaat “get shit done” mix, but when throwing in NPA too, may friek the younger girls out.

i find NPA very tricky…i get strange or confused stares from guys from quite a distance.

i use Ammo under the gills at 2 sprays for an aggro “get shit done” hit

Heh, while we do perfer sending out the good vibes, it’s not against any forum rules to test aggressive mixes. A lot of the mixes that guys here are wearing are aggressive mixes.

Also, if you do a search, there have been other attempts at using -none to enhance aggression for sports and weightlifting.

Well, I’m glad I have your permission to test something that you otherwise find distasteful! Can I have some more apple juice and then go to the potty, please?:stuck_out_tongue::stuck_out_tongue::stuck_out_tongue:

No but seriously, many thanks to both of you for your feedback.

mahalo silver:

(1) What exactly makes you say that PCC and Scent of Eros For Women are better products than EoW?

(2) When you suggest adding some Instant Openness, “for a bit of buffering…ie. greaaat ‘get shit done’ mix,” are you reffering specifically to user effects, or will other people “get shit done?”

(3) Along similar lines, when you refer to aggro effects from Ammo as a “hit” do you mean to say that it affects others or oneself? Thanks bro

Phya:

I did searched for the terms, “aggression,” “aggressive,” “weight lifting” and “football,” while they do show results, there are not many and most of those aren’t really discussing the same type of thing I am. So, what specific search terms might you suggest? Am I missing something?

I think someone wanted to try wrestling, and I think sport(s) is also a term you could use. You won’t find many results, I just know some people have brought it up and tried it, although I don’t know if they ever reported results.

Great report, reps for taking on the dark side :wink:

V good post, and spot on about the subjective experience of 'none as well as the sometimes slightly odd reactions people have.

Important with none to remember to control your own mental state and projection of it. People will be acutely aware of you so make sure you smile and project warmth…

I think the buzz you experience as a self-effect may be the result of activating the sympathetic branch of the autonomic nervous system. If I am right, you probably don’t want to wear such high doses of androstenone every day (perhaps stating obvious, but chronic overarousal won’t be good for you or the people around you).

Slightly at a tangent, but here’s a nice none study I found while searching for ANS links to androstenone.

ScienceDirect - Biological Psychology : Interpersonal defensiveness and diminished perceptual acuity for the odor of a putative pheromone: Androstenone

This study assessed the relationship of repressive coping and defensiveness to the perception of androstenone, which is a putative human pheromone with relevance to social perception. In Experiment 1, 34 men and 34 women between the ages of 16–28 sniffed pairs of bottles containing silicone (the solvent control) paired with either isoamyl acetate (IAA) or androstenone in an eight trial, two-alternative forced-choice task. Participants chose which hand they believed the odor was in, and rated the odor’s intensity and their confidence in their response on a 0–10 scale. Defensiveness was measured with the Eysenck Personality Questionnaire (EPQ) L scale. As predicted, defensiveness was associated with decreased perception of androstenone, but not IAA. Decreased detection accuracies, confidence, and intensity ratings for androstenone were associated with high defensiveness. The effect was stronger among women. None of the IAA detection variables correlated with the L scale for either women or men. In Experiment 2, 22 women and 18 men between the ages of 18 and 27 were given 4 concentrations of IAA ranging from subthreshold to suprathreshold, and a blank–blank control. Detection accuracies, confidence ratings, and intensity ratings for IAA were not related to defensiveness for any of the concentrations, for either men or for women. The results are discussed in terms of motives to seek social approval and avoid social disapproval as they may relate to diminished awareness of androstenone.

PheroQuirk:

First of all, thank you for the link. I’ve recently been trying to figure out how best to conduct and organize a similar pheromone study of my own.

Second, you are 100% on the money with regard to the need to project warmth etc. Since my original post I have had two separate-but-related experiences with my Aggromix (plus a " very sunny disposition) which both game phenomenal results.

Third, perhaps I am overlooking the obvious, but would mind elaborating on your theory about the origins of the user effects I had?

Thank you.

EDIT: Oh yeah, reps to you PheroQuirk and Rattlesnake

Damn, that can’t be good, i.e., inhaling plenty 'o alcohol up the nose, plus the terrible piss 'n pit like reek of NPA bundled with the vinegar from hell funk of EW. I’d be heading pronto for the nearest body of water, spanking my snout as I ran.

Personally I’ve rarely noticed aggression tendencies from high dose of NPA, EW or A314, even intermingled. NPA and A314 is one of my fav happy hour mixes. Makes for plenty 'o attention from women, although I oft supplement with Scent of Eros and/or TAA.

I decided EW didn’t do much for my mixes and abandoned that stinky brew.

Futurekill,

  1. why r there better options for men then EOW?, i believe it is straight cops, with no nol buffering and with a rather funky smell, and more concentrated than products like Passion Copulin Concentrate, SOE/w or lust After Me - which are all based on androstenol mixed with copulins. PCC and Soe/w r quite light on the cops. apparently, cops is one of those things where a little goes a long way, just like 'none. these 3 r easier to use too than EOW. i use soe/w gel packs for good effects. PCC is a light cops formula with a nice melon scent. u only need small amounts of cops. and gets good feedback at the OP…many cops formulas include androstenol alpha.

2…why Instant Opener? ‘cos youre usin’ tha heavy shit man, NPA is a potent none concentrate, EOW potentcops formula,…'nols definately go with NPA… so IO/NPA/ dab of a314 is kinda the same as the classic NPA/SOE DD recipe.its a good idea to carry some modifiers when wearing the heavier stuff like none or cops so u can buffer or modify if reactions change or r negative…and 'nol, IH and IS r good ways to do this.

3.na, im talking about using Ammo for self-effects, so a self-hit or buzz. often times, im wearing this for myself, and for me atleast, the 'none agression/motivation effect stays after a year of use. i still get the effect without tolerance. unlike most other stuff which habituates after a few weeks.

actually just dabbed myself with some NPA to pull an all nighter infront of the computer :slight_smile:…so much more than wearing pheromones, i’m using this stuff as supplements too.

De rien. MHarris has had some interesting experience with conducting blinded pheromone tests. Not sure if what he learnt is proprietary, but you might ask Jasmin about this.

tacitus is the master on the interplay between emotional skilfullness and pheromone use…

one of the things that started me thinking along those lines was the observed similarity between androstenone’s effects and those triggered by a genuine crisis (something catching fire, a bar fight breaking out, etc). time time distortion related to disassociation ?

got to rush.. more later.

PheroQuirk, I’ve been reading surfs_up’s posts at that other place as you suggested. I’m 99% sure that’s our tacitus. It’s strange reading his earlier posts to see how he’s developed in just a couple years. Not much of a change, but small ones here and there. Do you happen to know where he is now?

When you do have the time, please come back and tell us more! Something new is always revealed in your posts. Thank you.

Peoples’ priorities shift - there is an ebb and flow to posting. I’m sure he’ll be back but maybe he has bigger fish to fry right now. He had a good call on this housing meltdown…

Well, I didn’t catch that particular point, but he is always on the ball, so I’m not surprised. Hopefully he’ll come back soon.

I wanted to ask you some questions, it seems like you are an expert yourself in..I guess ‘self-development’ areas along the lines of tacitus’s areas of expertise.

But I don’t want to hijack this thread, I intended on sending you a PM, is your inbox still full? If you’re not down, just let me know, I’ve got no problem sponging up whatever knowledge you do happen to drop down to us. :smiley: