Conjurator, I"m not concerned about being scorched. I always take the position of supporting a person’s happiness to the best of my abilities, even if it means the person leaving me. I’d rather have him be happy away from me than be unhappy with me.
SITUATION: Poly support group
PHEROMONES:
1 spray IShine (4x)
1 spray P83 (50 mcg/spray)
As usual, I’m looking for pheromones to help new comers to the meeting more relaxed and open. I base the success of a combo on how well I socialize with people and sustain conversations.
ASSESSMENT:
This is a very good social mix. There were several new members at the group. I had a very easy time talking with them. They were also willing to open up and share details about their experiences and life story. I also had an easy time sustaining eye contact with a few members. They didn’t seem bothered by it as they returned the eye contact.
I had a very interesting conversation with a couple (man and woman in their early 50s). They guy was sitting next to me and the woman was sitting on the other side of the guy. We hit it off pretty well. At one point, the woman quickly exchanged seats when her partner left to use the restroom. She really wanted to sit next to me. I wasn’t sure if she was being flirtatious, but she seemed very comfortable talking with me. She even wanted my phone number. (She knows I’m gay.)
There were also a couple new members who I didn’t have a chance to talk to. But when I left, they both got up and gave me a hug. It felt a bit awkward because I didn’t speak to them at all other than introducing myself when I first showed up. But they felt the need to give me a hug. I guess I’ll take this as a hit too!
Overall, this is a good party mix. Everyone close to me was in a good mood and talkative. The conversation was also personal, and people seemed to have an easy time sharing their stories. Conversation wasn’t chatty, superficial, and bubbly like when I used IShine and IO together. Instead, the conversation had substance and depth, similar to IH solo, but without that sense of emotional bonding.
With the ease of conversation, IShine and P83 could potentially be something worthwhile at the bars or clubbing and meeting new people. It seems P83 might pair nicely with Ammo to steer it in sexual direction, but depending on a person’s charisma, that might not be necessary. I can see IShine and P83 turning sexual by means of conversation alone.
SITUATION: Helping a friend (30) move his artwork.
I met this guy at previous LGBT social events. He’s an artist and has an upcoming show next week. Since I have a soft spot for artists, I offered to help him transport his paintings.
PHEROMONES:
1 spray Ammo (2x)
2 sprays P130 (12.5 mcg/spray)
I’ve been really curious about P130. So far, I haven’t seen noticeable hits when I used it solo, regardless of the dosage (up to three sprays). At Von_Phero’s suggestion, I paired it with Ammo.
This is also the third time I’m meeting my friend. The first time I met him, I was wearing P80 (12.5 mcg). The second time, I was wearing IShine (4x) and A314 (2 drops).
OBSERVATIONS:
When I got to his apartment, he was ready to go. His paintings were wrapped and in boxes. We loaded my vehicle to maximum capacity. During the drive to the gallery, we chatted almost non-stop. He told me about a friend that he recently had to unfriend and his boyfriend breaking up with him, all within a couple days of each other. But, he wasn’t sad or angry about it. He joked about it like shit happens.
We arrived at the gallery and unloaded the paintings. He was going to set up the paintings with another friend the next day, so we didn’t have to hang around. We were quite pleased transporting the paintings was painless. We then decided to go to a nearby bar for drinks.
At the bar, we continued our conversation and talked about poetry, art, movies, and family issues. He also talked about his abusive father, but he did so in a light hearted way. Despite the seriousness of the topic, he was rather jovial talking about it.
At some point, I felt the urge to flirt with him, reach out and kiss him. I don’t know if this was self-effects of the mones, but I definitely got turned on by his intellect. (Yeah, I’m one of those strange gay men who actually like guys for their brains rather than their bodies. Seriously, I get turned on by intellectuals.) I don’t remember what we were talking about, but I remember getting deeply aroused. But, I resisted flirting with him. He just broke up with his boyfriend.
Later I took him home. We hugged. When I got home, he texted me a short poem by Yoko Ono. (We had talked about her poems earlier.)
ASSESSMENT:
This mix has potential. I know P130 is used in Summer Ammo, so this combo would be similar. I like the light hearted vibe, something I didn’t get when using P130 solo or Ammo solo. In combination, the vibe is very fun and jovial. Even when we talked about serious stuff, the mood was up and light. We were also able to keep the conversation going. Rarely was there a lull.
I’ll have to follow-up with him to see where he’s at. I didn’t notice any discernible hits coming from him, nothing that I can say was different than the previous two times we met. But I know the conversation was more personable and jovial. I’m also not yet sure how to take the poem he texted me, but there might be potential for something more.
Yeah, I like this mix. It’s a good mix for general socializing. I’m out of Ammo, though. That was the last of it. I’ll have to refuel, but maybe I’ll try Summer Ammo.
I finally found a cover scent that The Man can tolerate! It’s cheap ol’ Jovan Musk. Yeah, the stuff that was so popular in the 70s. Go figure.
PHEROMONES:
3 sprays TUTH (1x)
1 spray IH
2 sprays Jovan Musk
I really wanted to try TUTH with The Man, but he hates the neroli scent. I sprayed the pheromones to my neck and waited 30 minutes. I then sprayed on the cover scent.
OBSERVATIONS:
After applying the cover scent, I went in the living room and joined him on the couch to watch TV. He asked if I was wearing my “stinky juice.” I told him yeah, but it’s a different brand. He said he liked it. After a few minutes, I decided to go back to my home office to work. About 10 minutes later, he joined me in my office and sat in a chair next to me. We chatted a bit, but by that time I was getting really aroused by the pheromones. I placed my hand on his thigh and gave him that sly look. We kissed and groped each other, and… well, you know.
That was one of the most orgasmic sex we’ve had in a very long time! Wow! He and I were both into it, and when we climaxed we both moaned a lot louder and deeper than usual. (Good thing we live in the country!) We even laid in bed afterwards, cuddling and talking. We hadn’t done that in a long time either. Usually we hurry with a shower and get on with our day.
ASSESSMENT:
Yes, TUTH works on gay men! I just had to find the right cover scent for The Man. The effects TUTH had on both of us were incredible. IH also helped with the after sex, cuddling and talking. This was like the type of sex when we first met 18 years ago.
I’ll try TUTH with the other guy I just started seeing. He should be back from his trip by now.
It’s strange, I had never considered TUTH as being neroli. It smells so different and peppery to me. Is it really neroli?
I don’t want to force you into an extensive cologne review here, but can you please attempt to describe the scent of Jovan Musk a bit, I have seen that at W*lmart, but I was like “geez don’t know…”?
I guess I assumed it was neroli as the cover scent. It seems to be the default scent on all of the commercial products, except Ammo. Overall, anything with neroli The Man hates.
Jovan Musk? It smells like.. It smells like.. It smells like Jovan Musk! 
My nose isn’t as sensitive as yours. I think there are elements of sandalwood and possibly patchouli. Go ahead and buy a bottle of it. It was only $8 on Amazon, and they make a great Christmas gift! 
Lol, I just hope it’s not a Brut 33 or Aqua Velva clone, lol!
Thanks for this update on TUTH Hank. I was wondering if this did work on gay men or it was repelling them due to the whole dominance thing or what. This is really great information. From my own experience with gay men I do notice that they seem way more sensitive and picky about the scent of colognes or anything else.
Yeah, I’ve been trying to figure out a way to test this one out with The Man. Don’t worry about dominance issues and such. That really doesn’t play in the gay male psyche in a way you might think. The main thing to remember is that androstenone will sexually arouse gay men. It has no bearing whatsoever on top/bottom, dominant/submissive. A guy reeking of enone can be a total bottom in bed, while a guy not producing as much could be a total top. Sex positions - top, bottom, versatile, versatile top, or versatile bottom - are independent of pheromones or testosterone output. Sex is sex. The only thing that androstenone will affect is a guy’s aggressiveness, fire, and passion in bed.
(On a side note, I’ve met a lot of bi guys who were total bottoms with men! Proportionately more so than gay men. Yeah, go figure.)
I can’t say I’m more sensitive or picky about scents than a straight guy, but I definitely notice it and it does impact my impression of a guy. Maybe this is how we sniff each other out! 
And speaking about TUTH, it really is a tenacious thing. Even after a shower yesterday, I could smell the enone when I rub my fingers over the app point. This morning, The Man and I woke up sexually aroused and had another round. And this was nearly 20 hours after the initial spray!
Now that I’ve got to test TUTH with The Man, I plan on using it in other combos when I go out.
I am really glad you now get to use this. I know you have a big bottle and didn’t seem to be able to use it and now you can and I hope this opens a lot more doors for you.
Great posts HankBuddy, and glad you were willing to still give it a try. It can be hard when you get something that doesn’t SEEM to work at first try, but just the willingness to keep trying does really pay off and I look forward to reading your next TUTH test.
Another thanks for the tenacity…I thought I was just way off as it seemed to keep the energy playful for me…I think in general I’m not good at estimating durations and though I was really far off with TUTH tests (though I use more sinisterly 
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I’m about to get ready for my date tonight. Before doing so, I wanted to make a couple 5 mL vials of TUTH to give to a couple of friends as gifts when I see them tomorrow. I was transferring TUTH from my 30 mL bottle using a pipette, but I accidentally put too much in one vial and it overflowed onto my fingers. I washed my hands, but rather smelling like neroli, they smell like enone. Great! This is going to be an interesting night.
SITUATION:
Had an interesting time with the school teacher this weekend. We had a date on Friday night, spent the night at his home, and saw each other again on Sunday evening.
Friday night, I wore the following:
2 drops A314 (Royale)
4 sprays TUTH (1x) to arm pits (2 sprays each)
1 spray P96 (20 mcg/spray)
I chose this mix because it was our first date since he returned from holiday in Canada. On our last date, I unwittingly created a serious fallout mix, so I wanted to jolt him into a different direction. I chose P96 rather than IH as my TUTH buffer mainly because I was running low on IH and wanted to save it for another date when he and I could talk more candidly about our interactions.
When I got to his home and took of my coat, he seemed a bit distant as if he didn’t want to be too close to me. Even when we sat on the couch together, he didn’t touch me or make much eye contact. We chatted for 30 minutes about his trip, and I made a point to look him in the eye, but he really avoided eye contact with me. I was wearing a t-shirt and had my arm behind him, resting on the couch, so I imagine he was getting wafts of TUTH. Perhaps a bit too early in the evening for him.
Later I took him to a gay bar to shoot pool. He seemed to loosen up there and was a bit physical with me. After kicking his butt in pool (again), we went to a nearby straight bar with karaoke. Had a blast there. Danced, sang, drank. We were hanging out with our arms around each other and rubbing each other’s lower back. We were definitely more physical at the straight bar than at the gay bar. (Yeah, go figure.)
After a couple hours, we left and went back to his place. We sat on the couch and talked about our interactions and what we wanted out of it. The conversation was intimate and personal. We eventually made it to his bedroom where we talked some more and had sex. Great, passionate sex. In the morning, after waking up, we had another round of sex, which was even more intense than before. When I left his home, I requested some time with him on Sunday evening.
On Sunday, I wore:
2 drops A314 (Royale)
3 sprays IH
I chose this combo because I wanted to talk with him to clarify where we were with each other. I didn’t want sex that evening. Things were getting rather intense since we both have extremely similar temperaments in and out of bed. It’s uncanny how well we mirror each other. Especially for him, it would be easy for either of us to be consumed. Given that he’s trying to develop a long distance relationship and I’m already partnered, I wanted to make sure we maintained perspective.
When I got to his home, we went to a nearby restaurant for dinner. We talked about our families and personal experiences. Back at his place, we shared candidly about how we perceived our interactions. In the end, we mutually decided to tone down the physical intimacy and focus more on being friends. Physical intimacy will still be there, but not to the same degree. After our talk, I left feeling good about how well we communicated and mutually created an arrangement that works for the both of us.
ASSESSMENT:
I accomplished my goal - redirect our interactions to focus more on friendship rather than sex. Sex with him is absolutely wonderful, but it was stirring up some strong emotions in both of us because of our abilities to mirror each other. I wanted a mone mix that was a lot edgier than previous mixes. Adding TUTH brought a new element that definitely caught him off guard. It took him a couple hours to adjust to it. TUTH also influenced our time in bed. It was hard not to be physical and passionate with each other.
IH also did its job in making it easy to talk about a very sensitive and personal topic that involves strong emotions. The conversation was very respectful and direct. I was happy to see how quickly we reached an arrangement that respected each other’s relationship while still building a mutually satisfying friendship.
From here on out, I’ll likely ditch A314 when I visit him. I just received more P74, so I’ll try that solo when I see him next. We made plans to shoot pool on Tuesday.
I find with P96 it does play on emotions a little and I use it mainly for sexual interactions and raw sex as this does something where for me it heightens my senses and my wife’s also and the sex is way better and more intense.
TAC I don’t know if you have this one to try. I find this a stronger buffer of None a little more than P96. I find I can wear a lot more TUTH and the TAC just seems to take away all the negatives of TUTH. They should actually make TUTH with TAC built in it I think.
I don’t have experience with the newer A314. but I here there is a fallout deal to it way more than the last revision.
Yeah, I was concerned about P96 too, but I didn’t know what else to use. I have TAC on my wishlist. I’ll try that one out a bit later. Since I didn’t use any previous versions of A314, I can’t say if it has fallout qualities on its own, but I figure that I’ll leave it out. Better safe than sorry.
For now, I’m going to experiment with P74. I have at least 4 social opportunities for testing this week, including shooting pool tonight.
I love P74 and is one of my favorites by far. It does soften sexual mixes and A314 also just a heads up. I get good effects around 5 MCG, but others report good luck with 20 MCGS and anything over just puts you in the friend zone. I do find a balancing act with this and TUTH or A314.
Good Luck and can’t wait to see what results you get.
PHEROMONE: P74 (20 mcg)
I recently purchased a 30 ml bottle of P74 at 10 mcg/spray. When I first tested P74 a couple months ago, it was at 37.5 mcg in a 5 ml vial. I had really good results with it, but lots of space invasion. I diluted it to 18.75 mcg, which still gave me good results without the invasion. I figured I’ll start at 20 mcg and go from there.
OBSERVATIONS:
It was pool night with the school teacher. I didn’t notice any self-effects while driving to his home, but when I saw him, I felt incredibly happy. It was like seeing my best friend and knowing that I’m going out for a great time carousing. He decided to drive to the bar, so we took his car. Along the way, I was in a jovial mood. It reminded me of my college days of hanging out with my best friends, drinking beer and shooting the breeze.
I also noticed I was a bit chatty, but the stories I told him had significance. It wasn’t empty chatter. When he asked me a question, I’d answer him, but gave him a bit more info than usual.
At the bar, we played three rounds of pool. I lost all three. I really sucked! I usually kick his butt, but my game wasn’t there. I made some awesome shots, but not enough to win the game.
There was a couple (straight, late 20s) who asked if we wanted to play doubles. We thought that would be fun, so we agreed. Thanks to my off game, they won.
Afterwards, my friend and I sat down and had a very personal conversation. Actually, it was more like me talking about personal stuff, like a past relationship that went bad. In my defense, this was in response to something I asked him.
On the drive back to his house, I told him about my road trip through the Southwest and how that was a huge turning point in my life… blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
Inside his home, we hugged and kissed tenderly. I asked him if there was a time during the week when I could spend the night. We agreed on Thursday night after we attend an art show.
ASSESSMENT:
I like P74. It put me in a really good mood and made it easier for me to talk and share my stories. It didn’t feel like empty chatter as IO, and it didn’t feel as serious and personable as IH. It felt like I was with a very good friend and I could be myself.
I didn’t notice anything too different from my friend. He did have a genuine smile and glow when I first showed up to his home, but he didn’t seem any more talkative than usual. Of course, this was our 6th date and all previous dates I wore A314 as my base. This was the first time he saw me without A314. At first, I felt somewhat naked without it, like there was something missing from my interactions with him. But, I later enjoyed the much lighter and friendlier vibe. This is the type of mood I was looking for in an FWB situation.
The downside to not wearing A314 was that I sucked at pool! I really think that A314 intimidated him, while boosting my confidence and concentration. However, I wouldn’t say that my pool playing was significantly worse that night. Instead, not having A314 allowed him to shine. His playing improved dramatically. I’m tempted to wear A314 on pool nights, but I think I should leave it out. P74 is a better fit for spending time with him. I’ll later experiment with adding IH and other putatives.
As for invasion of space, there was none. I think with my physique and Mohawk, people may not readily touch me at 20 mcg. I’ll try a higher dosage at another event later in the week. And I’ll wear it on my arms rather than my neck!
PHEROMONE: P74 (30 mcg)
This is my second day solo testing P74. The previous test (#157) was at 20 mcg.
OBSERVATIONS:
My school teacher friend agreed to join me to an art show. I picked him up and during the drive to the gallery, I was mindful about keeping my mouth shut since I got very chatty last time we hung out. At times he would start a conversation and sustain it, but there were lulls during the drive. I kept the lulls as long as I could to see if the silence will urge him to start another conversation. Sometimes it worked. Other times I took the initiative by asking him questions. Despite being a school teacher, he’s fairly soft-spoken and a bit of an introvert by nature, so I wouldn’t expect him to be a complete chatter box, even with P74.
When we got to the gallery, there were a handful of visitors. People were very friendly and open towards me. Eventually a bunch of people I knew showed up. I can’t say that they’re behavior was any different since they already knew me.
A woman (early 60s) who worked at the gallery came up to me and said, “I’m watching you. I have my eyes on you!” I asked why. “I don’t want you buying all the good paintings before I figure out which ones I want!” I don’t know why she singled me out or thought I could afford those paintings, but I took that as a hit.
After the gallery, my friend and I went to a nearby bar for beer. He seemed more open and talkative there. Not sure why it was different than in the car. He told me about how he won a chicken dance contest at a recent Oktoberfest, which he was very proud of.
A bit later, two friends from the gallery met up with us. We sat around and chatted. The conversation flowed very easily. After an hour, my friend and I left since it was a school night for him.
We had already arranged for me to spend the night at his house. When we got to his place and took off our coats, he sat on the couch and turned on the TV. I thought that was odd since he had me there with him. I mean, he would rather watch TV than make out with me? I was a bit miffed about that. In a normal circumstance, I would have been a bit more aggressive, but I knew I had P74 on, so I played along.
The other odd thing was that he wasn’t physical with me on the couch. Even when I was rubbing his neck, he didn’t reciprocate any physical contact. About 20 minutes later, he finally warmed up and cuddled right next to me. Another 10 minutes later, he asks me I’m ready for bed. Well, yeah! I was kind of ready about 30 minutes ago.
In bed, he changed completely. He was extremely physical. The ol’ friend was back, but the vibe was different. The physical intensity was there, but it lacked the emotional charge like it did when I was wearing A314. He also seemed more comfortable pushing the envelope, so to speak. (I won’t kiss and tell, but I know he wants something from me. He’s just not ready to ask for it outright.) He also couldn’t stop being physical with me, even when we were tired and ready for sleep.
About 2 AM, I woke up to use the bathroom. When I got back to bed, he got up and used the bathroom too. When he got back, he was very frisky, so we had another round before falling back to sleep.
In the morning, I got dressed and headed out. Our schedules are busy for the next 5 days, but we agreed to play pool on Tuesday night.
ASSESSMENT:
This was my second time wearing P74 with my friend, and it was at a larger dosage. The romantic charge was not at all present, and I’m sort of ambivalent about that. On one hand, I enjoyed the attention that A314 provided. On the other hand, I enjoy the friendship and lightness of P74 solo. I just thought he felt too familiar with me to simply plop down on the couch and turn on the TV. But at least in bed, he really couldn’t stop touching and cuddling with me. He seemed sexually aroused the entire time, more so than with A314 and TUTH. I don’t know if this is attributed to P74, but it is different than previous times.
The only obvious hit I saw other than with my friend was when the gallery worker made a remark about me buying all of the best paintings. Many of the people there I already knew, so I wouldn’t have expected much of a change in their behavior. I also didn’t notice anyone invading my space or touching me.
Overall, P74 at 30 mcg felt comfortable, maybe too comfortable. It really needs something else in there, especially if I’m going to use it around people I already know. I ordered more Ammo (World scent), Instant Honesty, and TAC (7.5 mcg). Next time I see my friend, I’ll try Ammo and P74 (10 mcg). I’ll see if this brings back a bit of sexual tension into our friendship, at least when we’re not in bed. I preferred it when we were flirting. Otherwise it feels too buddy-buddy. If it goes well, I’ll switch to TUTH and P74.
I have two more social events this week, one tonight and one tomorrow. I’ll use P74 solo for these events to complete my testing.
I was getting worried you got in the friendzone, but surpringly this turned out very well. So is he the type where intellect and bonding and cuddling turn him on? I am asking this because I think this may be why the P74 worked so well here.
Yeah, I was worried about being friendzoned, and I still am. I’m hoping my Ammo will be in by the time we shoot pool on Tuesday evening. If I use P74, I’ll keep it at 10 mcg. Otherwise, I’ll use IH instead. If Ammo isn’t in by Tuesday, I’ll use A314, TUTH, and IH.
Frankly, I don’t know what turns him on other than very strong physical touch. I can’t say intellect turns him on in the same way it turns me on. (I once had a guy who used logic to get me into bed with him. And damn it, it worked!) Maybe rubbing his neck needed to happen to remind him that I’m someone who’s more than a friend. When that happened, P74 possibly took the experience into a more sexual direction where he felt comfortable to explore more of his desires.
Ah, but it is moot. I’m just not going to use P74 solo with a sex partner again!