Any Christians using this stuff?

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I would like to thank everyone for their input. I would really like to try out A314, and I know they only have two bottles left in stock (maybe they will produce more), and are offering a money-back guarantee if I don’t make 10 times whatever I pay for that bottle (making the price irrelevant if it works since it becomes like an investment).

However, there are a few issues that still isn’t accounted for:

  1. Natural Pheromones – on another vein I’m no longer using soap, deodarant, using dead sea-salt baths, taking zinc, amino acids, Maca, multi-vitamins, Vitamin C, and Sandlewood essential oil to replace deodarant – and see what changes occur within 30 days.
    I’m totally committed to exploring my natural pheromones BEFORE I got with artificial ones.

I intend to buy pheromones for attracting girls if I don’t produce natural ones, because it’s fun and don’t care about any religious discussion on that vein…however, where business is concerned, it’s a different story in my mind (even though I may have a double-standard).

  1. Using Pheromones (for business) is using the flesh where faith is required. In that vein of thought, if the favour of God is on me, then I wouldn’t need that product, and if it’s not on me, that product may have very limited results, but not as much as a spiritual break-through.

I am trying out a new Real-Estate system to make more business and prospects which is starting about a week later. That is proper, and I can see the arguement being used there about using tools that are out there to help yourself – that as you work to improve yourself, make yourself more knowledable about the market, and implement good systems then that could work. But, using that to justify a spray that could influence someone’s perception on you to a favourable one is something that still bothers me.

You see, God can already affect people’s perception to favourable ones, because this is done allot of times in the Bible. For example, Joseph and the Prison Guard, or a number of other cases where God caused someone to prosper. So, the problem is, when you start going to use a spray to effect what God is supposed to do to help God out, then you are acting in the flesh.

An example of this would be Abraham and Sarah. In the natural, Sarah was too old to bear a son, so Sarah referred Hagar to Abraham. Hagar had a child with Abraham called Ishmael – this later became the Arabs. However, Sarah DID CONCEIVE A SON by a miracle of God named Isaac.
God didn’t need Sarah’s help to fulfill their destiny…in fact their interference made things worst because now you got two races of people out of that – Arabs and Jews – and they have always been at war.

So, back to me, again, suppose God is testing me to see if I’m going to continue trusting Him, or if I’m going to run and buy the next best product so I can make more money. Some things really do undermine your own faith in God, and my concern is this product could be one of them.

I’ve had some bad stuff this year and that means two things:

  • That at a later time, something really good will happen that will more than make up for the bad that I’ve experienced.
  • In the mean-time, I should take the God’s eye view and just believe God has the way out.

Anyway, I’m still thinking about this product, but as you can see, it’s not an easy decision to make.

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It’s not over till it’s over. I’m no priest, but I’m pretty sure God doesn’t say, “Okay, this year will be crappy for this guy, but the next year will be better to make up for that.”

Good times and bad times could go as long as decades or as short as a blink of an eye. I don’t think it works like you were saying… “something really good will happen that will more than make up for the bad that I’ve experienced.”

But that’s just me, I’m nobody important, what do I know?

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Reminds me of a saying…

Doesn’t matter if you’re a good person or a bad person, you decide to try jumping off a cliff… You WILL hit the ground.

Who said you can’t have faith while still trying the newest product? Really, because I’m curious, who said you can’t?

As in my earlier story about the old man and the flood… I stand by the saying, “When the flood comes, take the boat.”

I believe you can totally have faith and still do things to help yourself. Otherwise, why go to college? Why go out to places to meet people to hopefully meet that someone special? Why try to get a good job? Why when you can just stay home and pray for them? That seems to be what this guy (original poster) is saying, but I seriously don’t think God works that way.

In my opinion, God helps those that help themselves. I don’t think God just delivers things to you while you sit on your duff. There must be some effort on your part. I don’t believe in just waiting on faith. I DO believe in moving WITH faith though. Big difference.

I’ve actually had these discussions and debates many times before regarding faith.
I’ve come to realize that many ‘faithful’ people tend to expect a pillar of fire or a burning bush to appear when God is already presenting them with a simple, subtle, ORDINARY solution (like the boat in the story), but they ignore it waiting instead for an amazing miracle.

I won’t even pretend to speak for God, but if I were God, I’d be pretty damn insulted if I presented one of my followers with an answer to his prayer, but have it ignored because he wanted something more ‘miraculous’. Somehow I don’t think God does magic shows these days and I think it pretentious to expect Him to.

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I agree I don’t believe God cares not if we use something like cologne or pheros to increase our odds/well being. Again this is not a magic potion it really only accounts for 10% of influence the rest is up to you.

It really comes down to Freewill. We have the choice to do good or bad. Just like anything else, Like driving a car, it can be used to benefit your life and get your around/help people/help yourself but it could be also used to kill people/transport drugs etc.

I agree Evantarin, being proactive with Faith should be our goal. Live a good life but we learn to live a good life only by my making mistakes/sin and from there we naturally learn what a good life is.

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I should clarify my statement though. I’m saying that there is a big difference between just wishful thinking/blind faith and God-INSPIRED action.

In my rationale, I see nothing wrong with wearing nice clothes and putting on a nice cologne to appear more attractive and pleasant. I’m very troubled by people who make the simplest and menial tasks into some climactic battle with the devil. We give the devil much more credit than he deserves. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

I would think it counterproductive to what you are asking of God.
Asking, “Please let me find my soulmate.” or “Please prosper me.” while yet the person is doing his utmost not to achieve it. Like the old man and the flood, he EXPECTED something more miraculous like a host of angels to carry him to safety, but totally refused the ‘earthly’ salvation of the boat and raft and wound up angry at God for it when he drowned.

Does the farmer not till his soil and tend his crops while asking God to give him a good harvest? Does he lovingly plant his rows in prepared soil, enrich it with fertilizer, water them AND ask God to bless him OR does he scatter his seeds in barren and rocky earth and leave it, expecting God alone to deliver? There is a fine line between foolishness and wisdom.

I feel so strongly about this. By all means, ASK God, believe in God, believe in faith. What makes me think Mankind pretentious, is the fact that we often EXPECT Him to deliver His answers in the ways WE see fit.

More often than not, we miss the glory of it because we’re too busy waiting for a booming voice from on High to shake the Heavens instead of listening for the tiny whisper inside that inspires YOURSELF to action.

I understand what you are saying in your example of Abraham and Sarah, but is a prime example of someone EXPECTING God to deliver in a way they see fit. Sarah tried to force God’s hand which is astronomically different from what pheromone products are designed for and incapable of doing. Making mountains out of mole hills.

Sending another woman to her husband and telling her to lie with him to beget a son is VASTLY different from putting on a perfume or cologne for people to notice and maybe chat with you. You would totally be lacking in wisdom and discernment if you cannot see the difference between the two.

If this is troubling you so much, then choose NOT to use these products. The answer is quite simple if you feel so strongly.

I’m curious as to why you feel you need to validate your beliefs to people who obviously do not feel the same way you do?

Who are you really trying to convince?

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Even Jesus, or espcially Jesus, refused to jump off a cliff then ask God to save him. Even Jesus wouldn’t dare to make demands of God.
Freewill is an interesting philosophical qusetion. The more you have the less power God has but the less you have the less sense things make.

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Obviously, I’m trying to convince myself since I’m eyeing A314, and I’ve given myself a few days to make a decision. Part of that decision making process is to make posts on here and on a Christian board to evaluate:

a) Is this thing a big deal with God?
b) Is there any occultic or diabolical connections with the product or is it purely scientific as it seems unlikely that a trivial spray or oil drop would have such a profound effect on other people unless something was up.
c) Any other reasons where I should consider not buying this product.
d) If I’m making natural pheromones, would I still need this product.
e) Will this really be helpful for my business if the majority of contact is on the phone, or not in person? etc…

So you can see that I’m not trying to validate any beliefs on here, I do not need to. I would need to validate a purchasing decision to make sure that it is harmonious with my core value systems, in particular A314, which is the only business application pheromone.

This may be a academic point since it looks like that product is almost sold out right now, if it is as I’m writing it.

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A) No its not, god didnt invent religion, he/she didnt say you must be this or that to believe in me. Man invented all those rules and in doing so ignored the fundemental messages intended by god. More of a sin in my opinion then weaing mones.

B) There is no magic involved in mones Nothing occult or diabolical

C) I think it would weigh to heavily on your mind and cause you to much concern which in turn would cause you unhappiness so I would suggest not useing thm

D) Everyone makes natural mones from birth till death. Enhancing them by using synthetics is the same as anything else you do to enhance yourself.

E) no A314 wont help you unless they are exposed to it.

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There’s much debate about a case in the Bible, Peter 1:19 where Lucifer was mistranslated as Day Star. In Greek version of the bible day star (Jesus), is referred to as Orthrinos - (Dawn or early) Aster - star.

However Greek editions of Peter 1:19 read phosphoros. Phosphoros is composed of the Greek words Phos - Light, and Pheros - Bringer. Phosphoros in greek means Light Bringer.

Lucifer, is a Latin word originating from the words “Lux” - Light, and “Fero” - Bringer, to carry. Lucifer means Light Bringer. So what exactly is it that we bring when we spray pheros? Fucked if I know, but I like making religious people paranoid :smiley:

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Um… what does being Christian have to do with using pheromones? Maybe if you’re in a religion where you are not, for example, allowed to use birth control, but that’s not Christians… I would be extremely surprised if there aren’t Christians using it since they make up the majority of Amero-European populace… (or at least think they do, I mean you may only be referring to actual Christians who both believe fully in Holy Bible and Jesus and also accept others as they are and don’t condemn people, but either way it still has little to do with pheromone usage.. ).

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I suppose if you got self-effects fromA314 (eg. increased confidence) it might help you over the phone but it certainly isn’t optimal.

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Luke,

Welcome back.

It sounds like faith is a major issue for you. I don’t know if this is obvious to you or not, but I can tell you with certainty that the major test you will have to pass (or not) in this lifetime is a test of faith. It is difficult to know what to trust with the devil lurking around every corner trying to trick you, wanting to steal your soul.

The Witch is telling you, “I think it would weigh too heavily on your mind and cause you to much concern, which in turn would cause you unhappiness so I would suggest not using them.” I don’t know if she is trying to use reverse psychology on you. Maybe she would just be happy to be rid of you – your belief system is none too respectful of hers. I suspect that she genuinely believes that if something were causing her this much angst that she would be better off avoiding it. But you would just have to hide from the devil somewhere else. Wouldn’t you Luke?

There is nothing wrong with a Christian looking for answers in the Bible. But many things have happened since the Bible was written, which even God would not have foreseen at creation. If He could foresee everything to happen, that would mean that we could not have free will. We have free will because we are created in God’s image. I want to suggest that as an alternate starting point.

Luke, you are created in God’s image. If you can have faith in God, you can have faith in yourself. In fact, if you are to have faith in God, you must have faith in yourself. You are created in God’s image.

You are very concerned with making the right decison about pheromones. You don’t have the necessary information to be confident in your decision. If the answer were in the Bible, you would have found it. I suggest that if you try pheromones and find yourself face to face with the devil that you will have what it takes to make the right decision when the time comes. And, while you may not want to admit it, I don’t think you have that much faith in yourself. That is why you hide from the devil, even when he’s not looking for you. You are afraid you will be tricked into signing your soul away. That kind of fear is, frankly, unChristian. God has given you free will to do the right thing. To pass the test you need to have enough faith in yourself to explore new things and know that you’ll have the strength to do the right thing, including defying the devil should that ever become necessary.

It is apparent that without buying A314 and other pheromones you are interested in, you are not going to learn whether they are for you or not. Have enough faith in yourself to get the pheromones you are interested in and to stop using them if they don’t work out. I really think there are some (maybe A314 or maybe others) which will bring out your God-given strengths and help you achieve your devine potential. But you gotta find out for yourself.

While I’m writing let me address a couple other points of yours:

d) If I’m making natural pheromones, would I still need this product. - I hope you don’t find cosmetics sinful. I think the lipstick analogy is useful. No matter how much magnesium she gets in her diet or how healthy she is, a girl is never going to get lips as red as she could with lipstick (or blue or purple or balck or whatever the style is).

e) Will this really be helpful for my business if the majority of contact is on the phone? - I disagree with the Witch again. I have had phone conversations where I know A314 made a difference. There are self effects, and sometimes confidence over the phone is just what you need.

It looks like A314 is back in stock (no avoiding a decison that way). If it doesn’t work out, I’m sure the guarantee will. If not, PM me and I’ll buy the A314 off you. I’m not gonna stop using it and I’m sure, Luke, you’re not gonna rip me off.

Warren

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Let me clarify. I’m already conducting ‘natural pheromone’ experiments on myself as follows:

  • Soap and deodarant is outlawed (except for hands).
  • Three Dead sea salt baths a week.
  • L-Argenine, Zinc, Multis, etc… part of daily diet routine.
  • Using essential oil instead of deodrarant – Sandlewood.

I’m quite dedicated in experimenting with natural pheromones or seeing if they really exist. Would A314 or any pheromones be effective if I’m already conducting experiments within my own body to see if I can self-generate these pheromones?

Ok, I understand that this is a self-effect, and that’s not to be underestimated. Well, it looks like this is back on then.

Tell me, A314 is the only product that is for business application and is offering a money back guarantee if you don’t make six times the amount on the bottle?

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You have been listening to Thomas to much, There is more to mone production then vitamins and not using soap.

Age------- At different stages in life we make more or less of different mones

race ------------- Certain races make more then others

diet ----------- Certain foods effect your hormone levels thus effecting you mone production.

Health ------- This greatly effects mones

Fitness level ---------- another thing that effects mone production

Emotions can change the level of mones produced greatly.

Case in point…

Why if laughter contagious ?

Why when one person gets panicked it can start a mass panic.

How do babies recognize there parents ???

Pheromones, they signal so many emotions and feelings and are not really something you can control or enhance from within any more then you can control your need for air. There are to many other outside factors to consider.

This is not to say you shouldn’t be the best you can be though. I am not trying to get rid of you. I am the moderator I could easily do that if I wanted but your concerns are important to you and that makes them important to me. I truly think you would feel unhappy using them thus making them useless to you.

Tisha

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Wow, and exactly…couldn’t say it any better.
djacquelyn

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Well, I’d rather try out to see whether I can produce natural pheromones before I buy products designed to attract women and get hits.

You know what, maybe you are right, it is causing too much friction in this house and my mom doens’t want me buying any stuff like this. Since I just talked to her about it tonight it’s pretty much shot if she finds out I’m buying this – so in that sence, it’s too much friction – I don’t know how my mom would react around that product.

However, women are a different issue to business, and therefore I can circumvent my mom on that one. If I get ‘hits’ as they call them, I would definately be happy with the product, it’s just that I’m not going to purchase A314 - maybe I’ll try Instant Gentleman instead since the application is different.

I’m not sure how justification of this product to attract women meets much less of a threshold for ‘internal purchasing approval’ than business application, but that’s the way the ‘internal system is’. However, here’s the thing – I can only use it when my mom is outside the environment, or when the smell is gone that she wont notice I have anything on. Probably the to-go bottles would be best for that since they dissipate faster and would have stronger results in terms of getting hits.

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Luke its great that you respect and care about your mom enough to think about her feelings on this matter. But you need to be true to yourself as well

I really cant tell you if she would smell A314 or not. If she wasnt aware or so attuned to it because of her beliefs and you making her aware of it then I would say no she wont notice it. But your situation is different then most users even other christian ones. I am assuming you do not were cologne and A314 may need some cover scent.

Maybe you should try looking into some of the aromatherapy sites. They have products for all sorts of reactions from the natural smells we encounter everyday. Of course not as strongly as mones but its worth a look for you. This would be less offensive to your mom most likely and be something you could be more comfortable with

Its really only a decision you can make because your the one who has to live with it not us.

Tisha

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Sandalwood has a deep natural fragrance. That actually oughta help with cover. You can enhance that by using a good sandalwood cologne or something.

It’s fun to attract girls in a friendly way. And I don’t see anything immoral about that. That’s the way God made people–to be social.

I think you’re misreading some key Bible passages when you talk about “the flesh.” Not being of the flesh doesn’t mean not using physical means. And using physical means doesn’t mean not trusting God. You do what you’re supposed to do, and simply understand that the outcome is of God. So you wear your suit to a business meeting. You wash your hair and all that to make yourself presentable. And as a matter of course some people use cologne, some don’t. You’re a bit different. You use pheros. So what? There’s nothing deceptive about. Nothing nefarious.

But that’s just my take on it. On the other hand, if using pheros for any reason bothers your conscience, you shouldn’t do it. Just don’t judge other people on the matter, since it seems a matter of personal freedom. One of those “weaker brethren” cases, perhaps (and no, I’m not calling you personally weak).

I think if it doesn’t bother you to use it in other situations, then go right ahead. But if you are struggling with the ethics of using pheros so much in this case, then you shouldn’t use it since you risk wounding your own conscience. And I believe to do something against your own conscience is sin, even if the thing itself isn’t evil, in of itself.

Blessings.

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Luke, I agree with Tisha on this. It’s good to respect your parents but ultimately I think the decision to wear pheromones is a personal one, and you don’t have to share that knowledge with everybody. I think many people “on the outside” of the community misunderstand what pheromones do and don’t do, and that creates some cofusion.

I think alot of people worry too much about wearing pheromones around family members. As long as you do so in moderation and with respect to your relationships to your family, I think it’s relatively safe. I worried about this for weeks, then eventually gave in and realized the effect wasn’t so profound or altering. The truth is, they may notice something but they won’t attribute it to pheromones, much less witchcraft/sorcery or anything like that. More common are things like “Did you get new glasses/haircut”? It just comes down to how comfortable you are with a deception, or not revealing too much, rather. If somebody ever asks you what’s different about yourself, you could always say you got a new fragrance/cologne, and that really wouldn’t be a lie.

Aromatherapy is worth looking into though I believe it’s more for self-effects than anything else. I dabble in aromatherapy some but I take more scientific view of it, and to be honest not everybody into aromatherapy is so scientificly oriented. There are indeed some people who use aromatherapy who are interested in some unusual stuff that has some rationals that go against current understandisg of science. As long as you can live with a little ambiguity and do you own thing, I don’t see the problem, and I wouldn’t say it has too many religious implications. Many aspect of aromatherapy have been investigated clinically in humans and animal research, and there is some evidence for some of the claims, and it does sort-of tie in with pheromones, since both involve smells affecting how the brain works. Also, some people get too hung up on the distinction between natural and synthetic smells - in reality a good synthetic smell that mimics the real thing can have effects the same as a real smell. Some smells though are harder to reproduce artificially (especially complex smells- agarwood is a good example), whereas some others are much easier.

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Luke,

Just wondering if you have issues with women using mascara and lipstick as well?

What’s the difference? I don’t see one.

Cheers,

:cool: Quicksilver

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