In a user’s journal, the topic of ethics came up. I thought I’d expand it to a more visible thread, so others could weigh in on the topic.
lol Yep I have been experiencing the guilt lately. I’ll gladly (patiently) wait for it to fade. ha!
Let me start this post off then with a lot of rambling and thoughts about what I find is ethical and what not.
I always considered pheromones to be a tool. A tool that assists you into helping yourself to be more attractive, to be more powerful, to get things done that you cannot do normally. Its something that is unconsciously wired in your brain and when you know how to exploit it then it can be a powerful weapon.
However, pheromones should be used to research the effects on the human mind. The rule of thumb in this would be “you should do no harm”. I always keep this in my mind when experimenting with pheromones, i want to make people happy and at ease and make them feel comfortable around me. I want to be happy and comfortable myself, but I don’t want to go too far and screw myself. My experimentation should be with a clear mind, without any guilt or remorse. I spray stuff with a purpose, I note my findings, and I continue on with a new mixture. If I have to feel guilt of the fact that I made someone the happiest person in the world, then I am doing something seriously wrong.
Phero guilt means that you are not thinking rationally, but emotionally. Its a psychological problem. From my study where I had psychology, one of the things that kept in my mind was the “unbiassed observer in a football stadium”. You look from the sideline to the game unfolding in front of you, and you can cheer or boo from the stage, but it will most likely not affect the game. When you write down the effects, think like that. You watched a football game and you have to write down what happened so others can get a clear view of what exactly happened on that field. If you take your own thoughts in it, then your reports will be more biassed than when you look at it as an observer.
Pheromones are made because they have a purpose in life, and that purpose is to reproduce your DNA. Because of human factors like eyesight and the usage of animals that can smell much better than you, the sense of smell has since then been forgotten, but the brain is still wired to receive those signals. Enhancing this effect by synthetic reformulation is helping people who are unable to do so to enhance their other skills, making them the true masters of love.
That’s an interesting point about “phero guilt”, that guilt is an emotional indicator that you’re doing something wrong. There are a lot of subtle decisions made in the course of wearing pheros. I realize now that when I start to feel guilt about it, I tend to take a moment and assess my motivations. I think it’s silly to make a blanket statement that “using pheromones is wrong” or “using pheromones is always fine”, because of the situational nuances involved. In general, people who come here use pheromones to improve their relations with people, in whatever form. That’s a generally very good goal. But sometimes, situations may arise where we have the ability to fulfill our needs/wants in a way that’s not mutually beneficial to others. On the contrary, it might be a bit detrimental to others.
For example, if I want to feel attractive and desirable, I’ll probably wear a sexual product. But if I wear it intentionally (not a chance encounter) around a guy who is in a committed relationship that happens to be going through a rough patch, I’m basically nonverbally encouraging him to stray away from his partner rather than reconcile with her. I’ve just made myself into a bad friend.
Also, there are a number of us who have learned the hard way that sexuals in the workplace make for a nonprofessional environment. They can be distracting to others, reduce their productivity, encourage them to interact unprofessionally, and make coworker relations confusing and less team-oriented. It’s not the sexuals that are bad, rather the way they were used.
Therefore, I think a secondary rule of thumb ought to be introduced:
- Do no harm.
- Do right by others.
By saying “do right by others”, this signifies that not only am I intending to have harmless fun, but I’m also guarding your well being and intending to enhance your life as well as my own. I’m not just watching my own back, I’m watching yours as well.
I agree with the idea that there’s a level of intention that’s important to consider when doing anything really, let alone wearing a pheromone product. We should be responsible for what we wear and how we portray ourselves to others.
My perspective, if I might add my two cents, is that for some of us, we may not produce pheromones at a ‘base-line’ level. Some of us may be socially handicapped in a way that is not apparent at a conscious level. It’s just another level of interaction for us to adapt ourselves to the technological environment we live in. Again, possibly the only matter in which we consider is how and why we are using pheromones at all. If, in your example Miss Dragon, one is using it with the intent of producing an effect that ultimately is not for the benefit of others, that does seem like an unethical way to behave. I mean, we do treat criminals who commit manslaughter and murder differently after all, right? I imagine that intention has a lot to do with the sense of guilt. but the use of pheromones really doesn’t seem like anymore of a hack or edge as drinking coffee to stay productive or taking multivitamins for optimal health, IMHO.
The Hippocratic Oath would sound like a good way to in this case.
By the way, Miss Dragon, your picture is always a pleasure to see. I can’t imagine why you’d even need pheromones - you’re quite a beauty 
Another aspect to consider, while not blatantly ethical, is the consistent use of pheromones in close friendships or long-term relationships. In such relationships that are built upon the understanding that you’re truly getting to know the other person, how might synthetic pheromones skew the “you” that your friends and loved ones think they know?
I’m trying to decide how much usage is appropriate. It can be almost addicting to always be the life of the party, or the smolderingly sexy date, thanks to the influence of pheromones. But I don’t want to mold my image so much that I seem like a different person when I’m not wearing them. With acquaintances or business contacts, I don’t care. Those are the sorts of connections that need a strong impression in order to be effective. But with the sort of foundational connections that support us in a deep way, what sort of usage is appropriate without crossing a line?
There is a lot of good stuff here. I must admit, I read this post about 5 days ago, but couldn’t respond because my account was locked. At that time, I thought “WTF. It’s not that serious.” I agreed with CelticPrince that pheromones are the same as makeup, bangles, pushup bras, hair extensions, perfume, etc. And in most ways I still have that perspective.
The only caveat comes from some recent AMMO and Mystery Boy experiences I’ve had as well as an Instant Sexiness A experience. I found out through trial and error after wearing it for months that Instant SexiA makes me irritable. I stopped wearing it for a while, but then my gf put it on one day. After about an hour of irritation I asked her if she put it on. After she said yes, I realized that I could have that same effect on someone else. Now I hate to say it but I’ve also been the person to say “so what” when the lady in an office down the hall said my perfume bothered her. Can I tone it down, sure. Can I take it off, not on your life. It’s one of those things that you know, certain fragrances bother me, but I’m not going to ask you to change your personal habits.
So, wearing pheromones isn’t good or bad. The responsibility, much like many other things in life, is in the hands of the user. Whether you choose to exact some kind of code when using pheromones or not is your choice. The biggest difference is people are unknowingly subjected to our personal entertainment/experiments. They don’t know the cause of their discomfort of behavioral changes. So it’s up to you to make the judgement call.
Food for female thought: If you were wearing Instant Sexi A and it was working like a charm on Mr. Right you’ve been eyeing for months, but it was causing your best friend to have a bad night (due to her irritability - which in turn was turning guys off), would you keep it on or take it off?
Food for male thought: If you were out with a buddy wearing a pheromone containing A1 which was facilitating great conversation and comfort with a chick you sincerely like, but it was causing your buddy to be depressed (resulting in him turning females off), would you keep it on or take it off?
Until next time…
I would absolutely take it off. “Sisters before misters” is practically a law in my mind. If I don’t have my gal’s back, how can I expect her to have mine? And she damn well better have mine. If the dude doesn’t give me the time of day without the mones, then he’s not worth my time even with the mones.
I play life the same way I play board games. Everyone involved should be having fun. If someone’s fun gets spoiled, then what’s the point of playing?
Hi Terabithia, Yes I too, like Miss Dragon, would take it off, or at least take it down a notch.
I had a date a while back, I think it was last summer. I was anticipating getting busy with her later, so I wore a super high none Phero, and it completely backfired. She was bitchy, snotty, rude, and obnoxious. I had worn none around her before, with no problems so I know it wasnt that. I just think I overdid it with too high of a dose, and caught her on a night where she was PMSing.
I slipped into the bathroom and washed my hands like ten times, scrubbing it off my wrists. She seemed to calm down a bit after that, and we salvaged dinner anyway, but the vibe was ruined, and I just wanted to take her home and leave, which is what I did.
Hey, it happens. You just make the best of it and learn from it.
I don’t wear mx297 around my room mate because for some weird reason it makes her feel insecure and she gets really down on herself. She can be like this with herself even without Being exposed to the mones so I feel like if she didn’t have those tendencies she might not react that way to the spray. I know her very well so I recognize her patterns and tendencies. I feel like the sprays don’t make people do things they don’t (on some level) already have a tendency to do deep inside. ( only my observation from the limited experiences I’ve had experimenting with pheromones, not speaking about pheromones overall ) I still have a lot to learn.
If I wear mx297 I usually wash it off before I leave work to head home so my roommate doesn’t crash from it.
Thats very interesting Kitty…most of my experience with MX297 is that it is a kind of “party” mone. Super consistant, life of the party kind of vibe. Your right, maybe her tendencies are getting in the way.
You are also dead right on that mones wont make people do anything that they dont already have a tendency for. Very similar to hypnotism. You cant make someone do something they would never even think about doing. That being said, we have all thought about things that maybe we haven’t done before, (fantasies, etc) or maybe only tried it once “when I was drunk” or something. I believe (because I have seen it) that mones can loosen someone up to act out on these things. I have seen some crazy ass shit that can only be attributable to mones.
The down side is that it is not always a positive experience. Like someone telling you to your face what they really think of you, or just going off on you for seemingly little things. These things were already there, but they were just filtered by things like manners, conscience, embarrassment, insecurities, etc. Some mones will strip away these filters and then stuff bubbles up to the surface. Specifically IH, IO, P83, P103, and a few others. Others, like the sexuals, help bring forward the intimate feelings, the mood, etc that are conducive to physical attraction. Kind of like a form of chemical foreplay.
To the Op…
I’ve often struggled with the question of whether it’s ethical, but then I consider just what I’m actually dealing with. I mean, these synthetic mones are basically (for the most part) already a part of a bigger system. What I mean by that is, if you don’t play with synthetic pheromones, you’re still going to be playing in the pheromone game of life.
Your own body produces pheromones and I’ve seen first hand what a change it can make for somebody’s day and the way they treat you that day, but just eating or not eating a certain diet and changing the frequency of showers. A man who walks freshly showered into a room will get different attention than a man who also showered freshly but rushed to the room hurried and broke a little sweat. This man will have a significantly stronger pherocloud.
When I consider these things, to me the definition of unethical becomes, as was mentioned earlier, when you have ‘pheroguilt’.
I think I’ve had pheroguilt plenty of times.
Sometimes I ask myself, is it alright for me to walk around getting the best undivided attention from everyone I encounter.? Is it wrong for me to walk around having everybody (including my own boss and elders) show me the utmost respect? Or to cause nearly every woman I walk passed to assume the position and back into me or to stare at me as if I’m a piece of meat??
I think the biggest instance of pheroguilt I had was this one time I walked into the store and got Dihl from all the woman, specifically some woman while they were standing holding their sig others hand.. Now that gave me guilt but it’s hard to explain whether it should merit guilt. I mean, did the cloud redirect their thoughts almost passed the point of no control or was it as if a handsome tall man walked by in an expensive suit? I mean I imagine the results would have been similar.
Now if you’re simply putting on 20 sprays of TUTH to go around ghosting everybody and making everyone irritable then yes I would say that’s unethical.
I will totally admit there are times I have used pheromones unethically and feel really bad about it. What happened is there was a super fine older lady at church(she is 55) Hispanic and she is very overt. One time I threw Ammo/IS on as it is my basic goto combo and she showed up to church and she was kind of flirty and so the next week I really wanted to see the power of pheromones so I wore Jdubs special mix of TUTH/TAC and some Hedione and some Ylang oil to. Oh man it hit her hard and she was all over me and following me everywhere and wife was really pissed.
I feel really bad about that still till this day. I really wanted to see the power of the mones, but a small part of me had very devious intentions to. So I think for me what is key here is the intentions behind the mones really. I test quite a bit and sometimes I find molecules to turn women on, but I did not have any intentions of that like the report of P77 in my journal.
I see it no different than buying nice jeans or a shirt or styling your hair or anything like that only the intentions behind what your goals are really. I mean I wore TUTH to church which was totally stupid and to this day I still apologize to my wife over what happened as she know about my pheromone hobby and supports it.
I go out a lot preaching and I use A314/P96/IS as my main combo and have noticed a big difference with how receptive people are with and without the combo and I do not feel one bit bad about it. I don’t feel bad because I want to connect with people and I am not out to beat people up over religious nonsense, but instead to connect and show love and that people do care in a dark world we live in, and my intentions are right and good.
So the key is again Intentions Of Use of the pheromones.
Just my 2 cents and I welcome all feedback and opinions.
I totally agree with justintime.
I think it’s more like a tool that could be either used for good or bad.
What really convinces me is the fact that the tool is based on something already natural in nature and the same goes for other substances like essential oils, hedione, etc.
It’s all intentions.
You know to me it doesn’t sound like a bad thing to use for witnessing perhaps. The effect doesn’t stay for good, once your presence is gone there is no longer a pheroinfluence so it’s really just as you said, a means to be more friendly and receptive.
I’ve also worm mones at church before, and had exactly what you’re talking about. Women stare at me and follow me around. Since then I stopped wearing mones at church. Interestingly most of the same women still seem attracted but no more staring and following around. However I do catch many glances from the ladies still, but I attribute that to my improved diet..