Only if you’re a salamander! 
Flies anyone …?
Hey peoples,
We all know Jesus was crucified for His beliefs sooooo…hopefully my newfound family and friends won’t throw darts at my picture, or turn me into a salamander (just kidding Tisha, I can tell you got a good heart so I ain’t mad at ya, as the saying goes)
I first read this post about a week ago and debated over commenting cause some people really get heated/argumentative over religious beliefs and I don’t wanna be starting no troubles, don’t wanna get kicked out the house, or cause anybody to move out the house, y’all like family and I love my home, freakin great place to hang out.
Anywho, I am a christian and yes I have begun purchasing and wearing pheromones. But here is my take on this subject. I believe that like astrology, pheromones do not rule they only compel. I am not changing the person that I am, I am simply enhancing some of the nature. Nor am I seeking to control anothers free will, but merely opening myself up for a response so to speak, after all, if someone is not into me, all the pheromones in the world won’t change that…but to further add, this in my opinion is no different from putting on makeup or lipstick or perfume, etc. (which by the way, if done correctly will steer a mans mind in sexual directions also) to enhance one’s own self image. I do not see anything evil about wearing pheromones, but what do I know.
Please do not be angry and I hope my opinion is welcomed and I welcome any disagreements, the way I see it we can agree to disagree.
I was not surprised that I didn’t see many “Yes, I am a christian using pheromones” replies, but then again I do believe that maybe there are some who are just not owning up and alot of people who no matter what religion who wont admit to using pheromones.
if I may quote your words tisha’s "Black Magick is the summoning of the powers (energy) of the universe for evil intent or to force your will on another. I support this statement.
until later 
,
djacquelyn
Me too! I didn’t respond earlier, because I’m Catholic rather than born again. I’m really new to pheros, but my understanding is that they only enhance what is already there (i.e. if someone is not remotely interested, no amount of pheros can change that) so I personally do not have an ethical dilemia with using pheromones. Others might see it differently, so I think it is important to do what you are comfortable with. Everyone here is so sweet, so I think this is a pretty amazing community to be a part of if you feel comfortable with the pheros.
P.S. I hope my post does not step on anyone’s toes, since religion is such a personal subject. I apologize if someone is offended.
No worries. Nobody’s offended. Ya din say anything to offend anybody. 
Were all free to express ourselves here. That’s one of the great things about this forum. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. Especially when so nicely expressed. That’s the ticket. 
It’s, often, not what people say…but how they say it that’s offensive. Nobody’s done that here.
Actually it seems we’re pretty much in agreement.
No offence here, Both posts were great. Mine probably had people more offended then both of yours. After all I am the odd person out LOL. I am used to it though 
Tisha
Well, you don’t offend me, Tisha. I rather like Wiccans. They don’t have that Christain guilt or that asian shame. I am only offended that you went and got married before you even met me. How fair is that?
I was talking to this Wiccan girl who worked as an escort. She told me a story about this born again Christian who made an appointment with her only to lecture her and try to changer her ways and save her soul. I thought she was going to tell me how she kicked him out on his ass. But, no, she successfully seduced him. After his preaching, she suggested they go into the bedroom and his eyes got as big as saucers… And he became a repeat customer. Double snort!!
Tish, I think it is a good thing you were outside the range of Luke’s garden hose. You didn’t offend him. You scared the hell outta him! He didn’t post anymore on this thread. Over the next twenty-four hours he finished up on other threads and he hasn’t been back on the forum.
Luke made it very clear, for him, it is not about intentions. It is about an evil medium.
I tried to sympathize with his concerns, which I do. But that might have just made it worse. On another thread (before I knew he had all these concerns about witchraft) I was speculating about extradimensional effects. And… it turns out, consorting with Wiccans!
Tisha, I still think if pheromones don’t enhance the craft, you must be using them wrong!
LOL really there go’s my Guru status, all that training for nothing LOL
That was not my intention, “Sorry Luke if I scared you” If he feels that strongly about it then he should not use the products. Nothing wrong with having strong beliefs its only wrong if you try to force your beliefs on another.
Oh that was good Warren, your so sweet, a perfect execution of a hit, I nearly fell off my broom Big reps coming your way
Tisha
Tisha-
Sorry - I got news for ya - looking at your current avatar - when you nearly fell off the broom - you broke something - 'cause with your pants sliding down like that - I can see you now have a crack in your a.. uhh butt.
Gee I was wondering where that draft was coming from (snort)
You know thats not me, My nakky pictures had the black hat in them remember.
Tisha
As long as it was a cold draft coming in and not a warm one heading - well - never mind.
And a broomstick from what you’ve written - just watch out for splinters -
Well if that ain’t you then someone needs to tell that poor girl she’s got a “crack” problem. Nothing a little crazy glue won’t fix though - lol.
Well personally I’m glad we scared Luke off. Not that I don;t like to see new folks discover pheros and become believers, but Luke was already talking about getting double his money back, before having even made his first purchase. With his suspicious religious beliefs and thinking about getting double his money back, I did not see pheros working for him.
I was reluctant to comment earlier knowing what a political minefield religious discussions are, but decided to add my 2 cents anyhow.
disclaimer This is only my opinion (which I am completely entitled to) and it is not intended to offend anyone.
I am highly suspicious of anyone or any organization who seem to find “satanic evil” or witchcraft in every thing they do not understand. In the age of the internet, I find it hard to believe there’s still such ignorance in the world, but there it is big as life. LOL
I was preached to by a born again in front of my dojo about martial arts being a demonic power because of a demonstration by a troupe of martial artists. They did some amazing feats of strength and agility. Parts of the demonstration included them breaking large blocks of solid ice with their elbows and demonstrated the Bruce Lee famous “one inch punch”.
I wanted to give the guy a dollar so he could buy himself a clue and then beat him about the head and shoulders with a large heavy object for being so ignorant.
As a police officer, I was sent to a hospital to referee an argument because a woman’s family was trying to take her child away from her because she went to the doctor. I forget if her family was Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormons or some other sect, but they believed prayer was all she needed and she was sick because of her lack of faith or being punished for something she did. The woman had a yeast infection and basically, her vagina was falling out and she came to be treated. To make a long story short, if the woman was asking for medical treatment, BY GOD, she was going to get it and her family can enjoy the ride downtown in the back of my cruiser for kidnapping and custodial interference as far as I was concerned, regardless of whatever religion they practiced. Who is to say GOD didn’t send the woman to the doctor to be cured? Who is to say GOD didn’t create the cure itself?
I believe in GOD, in case you were wondering, and I pray daily, but we need to move out of the dark ages people.
My eyes are on GOD and all the many wonders he created for us… Why do you still keep looking for Satan?
/rant off
I was kinda hoping that Luke might finally try A314 (and/or others, but I think A314 in particular would have been good for him) and find the confidence to confront some of the more irrational “Christian” interpretations of things. I’m guessing a lot of this came from his mother. I think even the most dogmatic of Christian faiths would have a hard time legitimately classifying the powers of pheremones as Satanic. Of course, anything can be used in an evil way.
I’ve known people like that before who are so held back by what they perceive as religous beliefs that they squander the opportunities the Lord has given them. No offense, Luke, but if you’re giving up on these kinds of opportunities, you’re letting Satan win.
In my spiritual system, if we don’t show him the light in this lifetime, we’re going to have to deal with his repressive beliefs in future life. I’m sorry he’s gone, if he is…
It reminds me of the story about the old man and the flood.
There was an old man who lived in a house near a river. It was raining heavily and a flood was predicted. Emergency workers were busy evacuating everyone out of the flood zone. The old man, strong in his faith said, “God will save me” and refused to leave his home.
The water was up to his waist and a family in a rubber raft floated by and told the old man, “Get in, you can come with us.” The old man replied, “Y’all go on ahead. God will save me.” The family shrugged and paddled on.
The water was up to the man’s neck now. A man in a row boat floated by. “Hey! Get in, I’ll save you.” The old man again replied, “No thank you, God will save me.” The row boat guy just shook his head and rowed on.
The water had gotten so high the old man was now on the roof of his house when a helicopter hovered overhead and dropped down a lifeline and rescue workers desperately tried to convince the old man to grab on so they could take him to safety. The old man yelled back, “Leave me alone! God will save me!” The rescue workers finally had to give up and get themselves to safety.
The old man finally drowned and his body was washed away in the flood.
At the gates of heaven, the old man raged, “God! Why did you forsake me!?”
God answered, “You’re a fool. I did not forsake you. I sent two boats and a helicopter.”
A Christian is simply someone who follows God.As Tish rightly said we can use many things for good or for evil.If we believe pheromones is a product that brings out what we have already have inside us or enhances what is already there the question should have been : “I wonder if I can educate some fanatical christians about this to enhance their lives?”
yes yes
i don’t remember the details but i remember another story like this where it was parents of a sick child, and they refused to listen to the doctors and give the kid treatment and stuff
Wow. A lot of discussion on this one. Well, I’m not going to add much here. I’ll just chime in as a Christian who uses this stuff. Luke, you can check out my previous posts if you want my take on the morality and ethics of pheromone supplements.
EDIT: Hehe. I didn’t read to the end of this thread either. I guess Luke could be a bit misguided. Funny that he uses the name of a hero from Star Wars, a story that is rather saturated with Eastern Mysticism and the occult.
Pheros aren’t like sorcery at all. Otherwise we’d ALL be sorcerers . . . since we all naturally produce pheromones.
I’m another Christian here.. I’m happy to use pheromones, it’s like using perfume/cologne after all. It’s something entirely natural imho..
Im a Christian too. I wondered if this conversation would come up somewhere on this board.. bam it hit me head on.